I have an issue where an afci curcuit is tripping, when the
refridgerator that is on another curcuit turns on. I tried switching
out the AFCI breaker and the same thing happened.

I kept removing things from the AFCI curcuit to try to analyse it, so
now there is one brand new 12 guage NM 2 wire with ground cable that
runs for 15 ft hooked up the the curcuit (it hasn't been stapled yet,
and it the wires are capped at the end). I even removed the recepticle
and this still reproduces consistently.

I will turn on the curcuit and it will be fine until the refridgerator
that is on the other curcuit turn on. Then if will trip (with the AFCI
light showing). If I remove the wire completely (so it is just the
breaker, this the white wire hooked to ground, then it will not trip.

This is a new seimens panal and siemens breaker.

Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks!

On 30 Aug 2006 10:49:19 -0700, "Ed" wrote:

I have an issue where an afci curcuit is tripping, when the
refridgerator that is on another curcuit turns on. I tried switching
out the AFCI breaker and the same thing happened.

I kept removing things from the AFCI curcuit to try to analyse it, so
now there is one brand new 12 guage NM 2 wire with ground cable that
runs for 15 ft hooked up the the curcuit (it hasn't been stapled yet,
and it the wires are capped at the end). I even removed the recepticle
and this still reproduces consistently.

I will turn on the curcuit and it will be fine until the refridgerator
that is on the other curcuit turn on. Then if will trip (with the AFCI
light showing). If I remove the wire completely (so it is just the
breaker, this the white wire hooked to ground, then it will not trip.

This is a new seimens panal and siemens breaker.

Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks!


Ideas, I can toss out some, but this only swag:

1. I would ask myself, why put an AFCI on a circuit that has a good
size motor on it. Bedrooms are only required to be AFCI protected.
After that I might guess the living room might be the next place I
would use AFCI in. So maybe removing it totally might be the proper
couse of action. Check you codes.

2. If I had receptacles I wanted AFCI protected, and the frig was on
it, I might run a dedicated frig circuit, so it won't trip the circuit
I want AFCI protected.

Now these are just guesses, since I can't see your setup, but I would
ensure all codes were met, and might go the route of seperating the
frig from the AFCI circuit.

BTW: Is this a kitchen circuit and you mean GFCI instead of a AFCI?

imho,

tom @ www.BlankHelp.com

"Ed" wrote in message
ups.com...
I have an issue where an afci curcuit is tripping, when the
refridgerator that is on another curcuit turns on. I tried switching
out the AFCI breaker and the same thing happened.

Is the new Breaker on the same leg as the fridge or the opposite leg?
Try swapping it with other breakers and see if the problem goes with it.
Does the cable cross the fridge cable?

Sorry I can't be more helpful, but this is a tough one. There "must" be
something wrong with the cable, but I can't imagine what it might be.

1) It wasnt mentioned that when the circuit trips whethor or not the
frig then loses power too, or not. Does it lose power too?

2) I agree with above that you should put the frig under its own
dedicated line and breaker. Is this an old frig? May be time to get a
new one?

3) The contacts in the frig, from the actuator or relay, could be dirty
and need replacing. If they are this could cause sparking and a
feedback surge being felt on the other circuit. If I am hearing all
this correctly, the frig is most likely your problem, not the lines.

Dean

The fridge is on a completely different circuit. When the AFCI circuit
trips, the refridgerator stays on

If the feedback surge can be felt on a different line, then in general,
that would make it very difficult to find the cause of the afci trip.

avid_hiker wrote:
1) It wasnt mentioned that when the circuit trips whethor or not the
frig then loses power too, or not. Does it lose power too?

2) I agree with above that you should put the frig under its own
dedicated line and breaker. Is this an old frig? May be time to get a
new one?

3) The contacts in the frig, from the actuator or relay, could be dirty
and need replacing. If they are this could cause sparking and a
feedback surge being felt on the other circuit. If I am hearing all
this correctly, the frig is most likely your problem, not the lines.

Dean

On 30 Aug 2006 10:49:19 -0700, "Ed" wrote:

I have an issue where an afci curcuit is tripping, when the
refridgerator that is on another curcuit turns on. I tried switching
out the AFCI breaker and the same thing happened.

I kept removing things from the AFCI curcuit to try to analyse it, so
now there is one brand new 12 guage NM 2 wire with ground cable that
runs for 15 ft hooked up the the curcuit (it hasn't been stapled yet,
and it the wires are capped at the end). I even removed the recepticle
and this still reproduces consistently.

I will turn on the curcuit and it will be fine until the refridgerator
that is on the other curcuit turn on. Then if will trip (with the AFCI
light showing). If I remove the wire completely (so it is just the
breaker, this the white wire hooked to ground, then it will not trip.

This is a new seimens panal and siemens breaker.

Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks!
You might try moving the neutral connection from the AFCI to another
area of the neutral bar. If no help, then move the refrigerator
neutral to a different area of the neutral bar.
--
Mr.E

Ed,

I have attached some info I found on a search. I have attached the
links also, this may help. But from what I have read, it sounds like
this breaker is sensing an arc when your fridge kicks in. Still the
question is how it senses on a seperate line. Again from the reading,
these asti breakers are extremly sensitive, and may be sensing that
feedback I stated earlier. Please read below........... I still say
that your fridge is the culprit. Also check the below white wire
attachment.....wonder if this coiled wire is attached properly?
Hope this helps.

Dean


The White Wire

AFCI breakers require one additional step. You need to locate the white
wire that is paired with the black wire in that circuit. The white wire
actually attaches to the breaker as well. There is a coiled white wire
that leads out of the breaker. This white wire attaches to the neutral
bus bar in spot that is vacated when you disconnect the white wire of
the circuit. Scared yet? If so, call an electrician!
http://www.askthebuilder.com/B320_In...Breakers.shtml

http://www.askthebuilder.com/320_New..._Of_Mind.shtml

Summary: Electrical fires happen every day in the United States because
of electrical shorts that produce intensely hot arcs. An arc fault
circuit interrupter senses these arcs and stops them, making them
smarter than traditional circuit breakers.

These devices work and act like a traditional circuit breaker except
that they are smarter. Many of these new devices contain small filters
and logic devices that allow them to sense an arc just as it is about
to produce the sparks and intense heat. If arcing conditions are
present, then the breaker trips instantaneously.

Do not confuse these devices with the personal protection ground fault
circuit interrupters (GFCI) that have been around for over 30 years.
The GFCI circuit breakers, at the present time, do not have the
capability to sense arcs.

The new arc fault circuit breakers are identified in section 210-12 of
the 1999 edition of the National Electric Code. Beginning January 1,
2002 they will be required to protect branch circuits that serve
residential bedrooms.
http://www.askthebuilder.com/320_New..._Of_Mind.shtml

Me again,

more searches.............

This very very helpful.........pdf file........definetly may help
you.!!

http://www.crownonline.com/AFCI_circ...20br eaker%22

This is helpful also:

http://www.sea.siemens.com/reselec/p...rzafcifaq.html

If white wire of that AFGI circuit makes any contact with any other
white wire of any other circuit, then circuit will work just fine with
any other breaker and AFGI breaker will trip.

That AGFI circuit cannot share a common neutral with any other
circuit. And safety ground wire cannot make accidental contact with
the white wire until all meet in the breaker box.

To avoid other problems created by defective appliance (ie. a switch
that sparks when disconnecting), safety grounds of both circuits should
remain separated. Does the refrigerator switching on or off create
popping sounds on an AM radio not tuned to a strong station? Does only
refrigerator cause tripping? Does another high current device
(electric heater, power saw, vacuum cleaner) not cause same tripping?

These suggestions made only because it is not 100% clear what is and
is not inside common boxes and shared with other circuits.

Assuming the AGFI is working properly, then something inside a common
electrical box is making electrical contact between circuits. A
problem never detected by conventional circuit breakers.

Ed wrote:
The fridge is on a completely different circuit. When the AFCI circuit
trips, the refridgerator stays on

If the feedback surge can be felt on a different line, then in general,
that would make it very difficult to find the cause of the afci trip.

On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:14:02 GMT, Will
m wrote:

replying to Ed, Will wrote:
I know this is an old thread, but I just solved the exact same issue and
thought I'd post for future reference.

Turned out that I had a grounded neutral on the afci circuit. To test for this
turn off your main breaker for the panel and open it up. Disconnect the
neutral wire from the afci breaker. Use a multimeter to test the resistance
between the now loose neutral and ground. If it's close to zero then you have
a grounded neutral. Afci breakers will not carry a load if the neutral is
grounded. I didn't have anything plugged into that circuit so it only tripped
when the fridge or well pump turned on. The afci breakers are extremely
sensitive and I guess that the fridge and pump pull enough power that they
induce a small amount of current in adjacent wires and the breaker flips. You
then need to clear the grounded neutral. This could be a ground wire touching
an outlet terminal or a nicked wire. Mine turned out to be a neutral touching
a box that never had the drywall cut out around it. Cut it out, installed an
outlet, problem fixed!

An AFCI trips on a 30MA unbalance between neutral and ground. If the
return current was equally shared, 60ma total would trip the AFCI
(half returning on the ground). That is only 7.2 watts so it really
doesn't take much

replying to Ed, Will wrote:
I know this is an old thread, but I just solved the exact same issue and
thought I'd post for future reference.

Turned out that I had a grounded neutral on the afci circuit. To test for this
turn off your main breaker for the panel and open it up. Disconnect the
neutral wire from the afci breaker. Use a multimeter to test the resistance
between the now loose neutral and ground. If it's close to zero then you have
a grounded neutral. Afci breakers will not carry a load if the neutral is
grounded. I didn't have anything plugged into that circuit so it only tripped
when the fridge or well pump turned on. The afci breakers are extremely
sensitive and I guess that the fridge and pump pull enough power that they
induce a small amount of current in adjacent wires and the breaker flips. You
then need to clear the grounded neutral. This could be a ground wire touching
an outlet terminal or a nicked wire. Mine turned out to be a neutral touching
a box that never had the drywall cut out around it. Cut it out, installed an
outlet, problem fixed!

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