I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve

"steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve


You can thank Mr.Bob Nardelli, HD's current CEO for that. Back when Arthur
Blank and Bernie Marcus ran it, the aisles were filled with tradespeople who
knew their stuff-- plumbers, electricians, carpenters. Since Nardelli took
over, he fired all the knowledgeable people to save money and put one former
burger flipper in every three aisles.

That's his ideas of how to run a retail business-- I think he knows zip,
zero, nada. What can you expect from a guy who came from GE. I guess he
knows all about how to manufacture railroad locomotives, jet engines and
refrigerators though.

"Maker of Rules" alan@net wrote in message
news

"steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.SNIPS

"Maker of Rules" wrote:

You can thank Mr.Bob Nardelli, HD's current CEO for that. Back when Arthur
Blank and Bernie Marcus ran it, the aisles were filled with tradespeople
who
knew their stuff-- plumbers, electricians, carpenters. Since Nardelli took
over, he fired all the knowledgeable people to save money and put one
former
burger flipper in every three aisles.

That's his ideas of how to run a retail business-- I think he knows zip,
zero, nada. What can you expect from a guy who came from GE. I guess he
knows all about how to manufacture railroad locomotives, jet engines and
refrigerators though.


And you must be one of the burger flippers, right? Botttom 10 %

The OP specified Loews, not HD in his post.

Try to apply a little reading comprehension before unleashing your
ignorance here. Or, being in the bottom 10% are you incapable of reading?

--
Jim McLaughlin

Reply address is deliberately munged.
If you really need to reply directly, try:
jimdotmclaughlinatcomcastdotcom

And you know it is a dotnet not a dotcom
address.

"Jim McLaughlin" jim.mclaughlin wrote in message
...

"Maker of Rules" alan@net wrote in message
news

"steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.SNIPS

"Maker of Rules" wrote:

You can thank Mr.Bob Nardelli, HD's current CEO for that. Back when
Arthur
Blank and Bernie Marcus ran it, the aisles were filled with tradespeople
who
knew their stuff-- plumbers, electricians, carpenters. Since Nardelli
took
over, he fired all the knowledgeable people to save money and put one
former
burger flipper in every three aisles.

That's his ideas of how to run a retail business-- I think he knows zip,
zero, nada. What can you expect from a guy who came from GE. I guess he
knows all about how to manufacture railroad locomotives, jet engines and
refrigerators though.


And you must be one of the burger flippers, right? Botttom 10 %

The OP specified Loews, not HD in his post.

Try to apply a little reading comprehension before unleashing your
ignorance here. Or, being in the bottom 10% are you incapable of reading?

--
Jim McLaughlin


Re-read the OP Jimmie boy-- it starts out talking about both Lowes and HD
while the particular incident the OP related happened at Lowes. It is clear
that his comment applies to both.

Are you so literal minded with so little ability to exercise critical
thinking, generalize and abstract that you missed his original point-- and
my response?

What percentile does that put you at my lad?

Their all a bunch of dim bulbs over at GE.



You can thank Mr.Bob Nardelli, HD's current CEO for that. Back when Arthur
Blank and Bernie Marcus ran it, the aisles were filled with tradespeople who
knew their stuff-- plumbers, electricians, carpenters. Since Nardelli took
over, he fired all the knowledgeable people to save money and put one former
burger flipper in every three aisles.

That's his ideas of how to run a retail business-- I think he knows zip,
zero, nada. What can you expect from a guy who came from GE. I guess he
knows all about how to manufacture railroad locomotives, jet engines and
refrigerators though.

wrote in
oups.com:

Their all a bunch of dim bulbs over at GE.



You can thank Mr.Bob Nardelli, HD's current CEO for that. Back when
Arthur Blank and Bernie Marcus ran it, the aisles were filled with
tradespeople who knew their stuff-- plumbers, electricians,
carpenters. Since Nardelli took over, he fired all the knowledgeable
people to save money and put one former burger flipper in every three
aisles.

That's his ideas of how to run a retail business-- I think he knows
zip, zero, nada. What can you expect from a guy who came from GE. I
guess he knows all about how to manufacture railroad locomotives, jet
engines and refrigerators though.



That's how large companies are ran these days. All they care about are
the bottom line expense figures on some spreadsheet program. All they
care about are raw numbers. But they're hurting their future sales
figures. Customers will gradually head back to Lowe's or to their local
mom and pop hardware store (ours is owned by a former general
contractor). I prefer Lowe's over HD because it seems that Lowe's has
more employees, so you don't have to walk 2000 feet to find an employee
when you're trying to find a particular item. Plus Lowe's seems to have
better selection of items and is hardly ever out of stock.

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"JDL" wrote in message

That's how large companies are ran these days. All they care about are
the bottom line expense figures on some spreadsheet program. All they
care about are raw numbers. But they're hurting their future sales
figures.

Return on investment for investors (and bonus for the CEO) takes precedent
over long term goals these days. Sure, profit is important to stay in
business and serve customers, but the short term goals of high profits can
kill you.

steve wrote:
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve

Well, if you want knowledgeable service, shop at a store that hires
them. Clue, it ain't the big box stores...oh, right, everybody shops
at the big boxes due to the cheap prices thus running the good shops
out of business and then complain about the poor service.

Harry K

Harry K wrote:
steve wrote:
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve

Well, if you want knowledgeable service, shop at a store that hires
them. Clue, it ain't the big box stores...oh, right, everybody shops
at the big boxes due to the cheap prices thus running the good shops
out of business and then complain about the poor service.

I don't give a woohoo about the prices, the only reason I go to HD or
Lowes is the giant stock. As much as I appreciate the local hardware
store and am more than willing to pay extra, the chances that I can get
a 7 millimeter widget with left hand thread, stainless steel, that I
need to get the bathroom functional again on Saturday night is pretty
low. Of course, I find myself wandering from one HD/Lowes to another
these days, since many of them are out of stock on all the esoteric
stuff and many of the smaller neighborhood strip mall stores just don't
stock them at all.

Harry K

z wrote:
Harry K wrote:
steve wrote:
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve

Well, if you want knowledgeable service, shop at a store that hires
them. Clue, it ain't the big box stores...oh, right, everybody shops
at the big boxes due to the cheap prices thus running the good shops
out of business and then complain about the poor service.

I don't give a woohoo about the prices, the only reason I go to HD or
Lowes is the giant stock. As much as I appreciate the local hardware
store and am more than willing to pay extra, the chances that I can get
a 7 millimeter widget with left hand thread, stainless steel, that I
need to get the bathroom functional again on Saturday night is pretty
low. Of course, I find myself wandering from one HD/Lowes to another
these days, since many of them are out of stock on all the esoteric
stuff and many of the smaller neighborhood strip mall stores just don't
stock them at all.

Harry K

Good point. I do the same but I don't complain about poor service.

Harry K

"steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

Yes, it is a simple one question test.

Q. Will you work for $7.50 and hour and work nights, holidays and weekends?

If you answer "yes" report to the store manager for your assignment.


Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Ah, yes. You know the old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice
, , , , , ," Real hardware stores may or may not be better, but a plumbing
supply house certainly would have been. Time to find better, more reliable
sources.

"Real hardware stores may or may not be better, but a plumbing
supply house certainly would have been."

Maybe, but they often have a 2 tiered pricing scheme, one for
contractors and one for DIYers. If they can sell a contractor a hand
full of tees for $XX, why charge me $XX + 40%?
I don't go there except to fill large orders, and when I do I am
treated like a second classed citizen. From my viewpoint, their
business model is out dated, and they deserve to go out of business to
someone who gives contractor prices to anyone who walks in. I'd rather
get raped by bad service than overcharging, it is just sad that I must
make a choice.

"Eric in North TX" wrote in message
ups.com...

"Real hardware stores may or may not be better, but a plumbing
supply house certainly would have been."

Maybe, but they often have a 2 tiered pricing scheme, one for
contractors and one for DIYers. If they can sell a contractor a hand
full of tees for $XX, why charge me $XX + 40%?
I don't go there except to fill large orders, and when I do I am
treated like a second classed citizen. From my viewpoint, their
business model is out dated, and they deserve to go out of business to
someone who gives contractor prices to anyone who walks in. I'd rather
get raped by bad service than overcharging, it is just sad that I must
make a choice.


Then don't complain about hte 35 mile trip to Lowes to get the wrong parts.
Add 40% to what you paid, plus the time and inconvenience and see just how
far ahead you are. There are a few supply houses that treat the DIY second
class, but there are a lot of DIY that treat the counter help the same way.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. com...

"Eric in North TX" wrote in message
ups.com...

"Real hardware stores may or may not be better, but a plumbing
supply house certainly would have been."

Maybe, but they often have a 2 tiered pricing scheme, one for
contractors and one for DIYers. If they can sell a contractor a hand
full of tees for $XX, why charge me $XX + 40%?
I don't go there except to fill large orders, and when I do I am
treated like a second classed citizen. From my viewpoint, their
business model is out dated, and they deserve to go out of business to
someone who gives contractor prices to anyone who walks in. I'd rather
get raped by bad service than overcharging, it is just sad that I must
make a choice.


Then don't complain about hte 35 mile trip to Lowes to get the wrong
parts. Add 40% to what you paid, plus the time and inconvenience and see
just how far ahead you are. There are a few supply houses that treat the
DIY second class, but there are a lot of DIY that treat the counter help
the same way.


At least I won't be insulted by someone whose skill level is so high that he
is working as a parts counter man. You know, the one who thinks I can't buy
a gallon of sealant, self tapping screws, or a R&R sensor without being a
contractor or "industry certified." And then being so stupid that I don't
know the same items are half that price anywhere else.

Steve

I needed some sweat on copper fittings, so went to HD. I found them, and
got a "contractor pack" of ten or so in a sealed plastic bag. But I needed
15, so I got five loose ones.

I got up to the checkout lane, and there weren't any bar codes on the
individuals. I said just to figure out how much they were by the price for
the bag and dividing by ten. She looked as if I had asked her to perform
oral sex or a complicated calculus operation.

She called for the manager. The line piled up. She called for the manager.
The line got longer. People were starting to talk. I said, for Chrissake,
charge me for a bag. Said she couldn't scan an item twice. Against company
policy and she would lose her job.

We waited longer.

After about ten minutes, I walked out, leaving about $250 in merchandise
sitting there.

Steve

"Then don't complain about hte 35 mile trip to Lowes to get the wrong
parts."

I don't;
a: usually get the wrong parts
b: travel more than 5 miles
c: need that much help in the first place.

steve wrote:

I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at
Lowes or Home Depot?? I'm guessing they do, and if you do not
come in in the bottom 10%, no job for you. (Apologies to DIY
store folks reading who actually know what they are doing)
....

The problem as I see it is that these stores are becoming
understaffed and many to most of the staff lack creoo-department
knowledge and problem-solving skills. My HD (Ellicott City, MD)
has more "know" people than "no clue" people, you just have to
keep track of who's who.

Plumbing is the worst area in all stores because you really
want someone who is a plumber and they can make a lot more
money plumbing than they can make clerking! That is one of
the reasons DIY stores are a great workplace for disabled
tradesmen - they can really add value to any project.

Dick

"steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve


As a contractor and an occasional do-it-yourselfer I rarely send someone
else for materials. When I do it is only after I have called in the order
and verified the availability. Materials are too important for a job and
should not be taken lightly. I shop around for the best prices and that
usually means going to more than one supply house or home center to complete
my list.

Sometimes I have customers offer to go buy materials thinking that they will
save money. Although I cringe at the thought, I will give them a detailed
written list, tell them where to go, give them a few days to make the
purchases, and they always come back with an incomplete package.

When it comes to materials, you need to do it yourself. It is common
knowledge that the employees of big chain stores are hit and miss as to
their degree of expertise, attitude, and customer service skills. You just
cannot count on someone qualified to be there to help you. Unfortunately
shopping for materials is time consuming, but I consider it part of the
planning process. A great deal of planning that is done at the beginning
can be a big timesaver during the progress of the project. It always hurts
if you need to stop in the middle of a job to run out and get materials.

Yep, I know what you mean about customer supplied parts. They think
they can save two dollars, or they think they are "helping". And the
part is wrong, or whatever. Very often they want you to share all your
years of exprience to tell them what to look for, or what to avoid.
And then at the end they want a discount cause they "helped". And if
you give em enough wisdom and pointers, they just get the holesaw, or
whatever, at the big box store, and do the job themselves. Which is
what they planned, all along.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"John Grabowski" wrote in message
...

Sometimes I have customers offer to go buy materials thinking that
they will
save money. Although I cringe at the thought, I will give them a
detailed
written list, tell them where to go, give them a few days to make the
purchases, and they always come back with an incomplete package.

When it comes to materials, you need to do it yourself. It is common
knowledge that the employees of big chain stores are hit and miss as
to
their degree of expertise, attitude, and customer service skills. You
just
cannot count on someone qualified to be there to help you.
Unfortunately
shopping for materials is time consuming, but I consider it part of
the
planning process. A great deal of planning that is done at the
beginning
can be a big timesaver during the progress of the project. It always
hurts
if you need to stop in the middle of a job to run out and get
materials.

steve wrote:
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve

It happens that I spoke with an old friend two days ago.
He's an ex rigger, ex construction generalist who I use for small
repairs.
He works in the lumber department of a Lowes, was "promoted" to manager
and asked to be demoted after three months. When he doesn't know the
answer to a customer's question, he calls an ex boss for information.
His current shift is 3:00 AM to Noon.

He notes that of all the local Lowes, his is the only one that passed a
recent inspection. Folks from his store were sent to other stores to
work with staff. The staff who were supposed to be learning from him
actually walked away when they saw a customer coming.
TB

And, so, you just took their word (wife, and the store guy) that they
got the right parts. Didn't check until the exact instant you wanted
to start work.

I'd like to nominate Steve for the Idjit award. Ladies and gentlemen
of the news group, do I have a second for my nomination?

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve

Stormin Mormon posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

I'd like to nominate Stormy for the Idjit award. Ladies and gentlemen
of the news group, do I have a second for my nomination?

Vote for the sure winner Stumped Moron.
--
Tekkie

I agree that it is you with the problem, not the store.

Why in the world would you even entertain the idea that these guys
are anything but untrained sales clerks?

They did their job perfectly - they sold an idiot a part, just like
they were supposed to.

If you want expert advice, call the experts. Licensed journeyment
are trained.




On 4 Jul 2006 05:34:49 -0700, "steve" wrote:

I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve

time to visit www.homedepotsucks.org

"steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve

steve wrote:
I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve

Went to help a friend, female, who wanted to put some shelves up in a
closet for the kiddies' toys, about 18" wide by a foot front to back.
HD set her up with slabs of 3/4 inch plywood, shelf brackets with arms
12" by 18", and 1/4" toggle bolts. By the time I got there, the wall
was already perforated with giant holes for the toggle bolts, which
were pulling through the wallboard from behind, just from the weight of
the plywood and brackets.

z wrote:

steve wrote:

I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve


Went to help a friend, female, who wanted to put some shelves up in a
closet for the kiddies' toys, about 18" wide by a foot front to back.
HD set her up with slabs of 3/4 inch plywood, shelf brackets with arms
12" by 18", and 1/4" toggle bolts. By the time I got there, the wall
was already perforated with giant holes for the toggle bolts, which
were pulling through the wallboard from behind, just from the weight of
the plywood and brackets.

Hi,
I am laughing out loud, sorry. Feel really sorry for her!

"steve" wrote in news:1152016488.469528.109070
@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either a
reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a reducing
coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is pretty
astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except plumbing............comes
back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st choice of the reducing T's but
stuff that will get me from 3/4 to 1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened it
up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full of
1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes when
the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits together,
she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff, had showed
the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her notebook........and
he kept assuring her that what he put together was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either, it
was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered my own
question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve



I go to HD a lot. I learned the people who really know stuff, aka they
really have done stuff. They do it professionally during the day or
before leaving the line of work. These you seek out if you need some
info. You get to know them and they get to know you. Some are extremely
knowledgeable. The high rotation faces you skip.

Then the other side of the coin. I bring a coupling in that needs an o-
ring. I was just gonna look til I found it. Wasn't sure if it was with
the pressure washers or just general plumbing. So Mr. You can Do It, We
Can Help approaches and ask what I need. I says an o-ring for this.
Figure save me the time of hunting for it. He grabs a pack of assorted
FLAT sink washers and hands it to me. Must be what he hands people no
matter what they need. I'm thinking woa put this one out with the plants
and bags of ****. I says thanks. He walks away. I find o-rings.

Al Bundy wrote in
:

"steve" wrote in news:1152016488.469528.109070
@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes
or Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in
the bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they
are doing)

During a big remodel project, I send the wife to Lowes to get either
a reducing T (3/4-3/4 to 1/2" CPVC) or a reducing bushing, or a
reducing coupling. I need probably 20 of these. Well, the wife who is
pretty astute with most aspects of DIY stuff except
plumbing............comes back with a bag full of stuff NOT my 1st
choice of the reducing T's but stuff that will get me from 3/4 to
1/2".

Being in the middle of anther aspect of the remodel I shelved the bag
to use later. Well, last nite is "later" I got the bag out, opened
it up.............much to my surprise/dismay.........the bag is full
of 1"-3/4 " reducing stuff.

Now, I distinctly remember the wife calling to ask specific sizes
when the Lowes idjit was trying to put the needed plumbing bits
together, she had specifically asked for 3/4" to 1/2" reducing stuff,
had showed the idjit the sizes , and even the drawing in her
notebook........and he kept assuring her that what he put together
was what she needed.

I just have to wonder........"WHY" ? Why would the idjit do that,
unless he was simply.............an Idjit? This wasn't a kid either,
it was an adult middle aged man. Of course, I guess I just answered
my own question right?? If he is working at Lowes at 45-50 years
old............

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.

Oh well
Take care ya'll
Steve



I go to HD a lot. I learned the people who really know stuff, aka they
really have done stuff. They do it professionally during the day or
before leaving the line of work. These you seek out if you need some
info. You get to know them and they get to know you. Some are
extremely knowledgeable. The high rotation faces you skip.

Then the other side of the coin. I bring a coupling in that needs an
o- ring. I was just gonna look til I found it. Wasn't sure if it was
with the pressure washers or just general plumbing. So Mr. You can Do
It, We Can Help approaches and ask what I need. I says an o-ring for
this. Figure save me the time of hunting for it. He grabs a pack of
assorted FLAT sink washers and hands it to me. Must be what he hands
people no matter what they need. I'm thinking woa put this one out
with the plants and bags of ****. I says thanks. He walks away. I find
o-rings.


Although I like HD, they get an Aw-**** from my last trip.

Putting up new shelving in a large closet. I had one shelf bracket with
a hanger rod loop. Standard 10-12" bracket.

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Get everything set mounting. On a HD trip I pick up two more brackets.
Only 3 bucks a piece, Std white painted metal. Shelf all cut and fitted
on side wall supports. Put new brackets up. The front of the shelf is
touching the end of the bracket but where shelf meets wall there is a
decent gap. Premounted shelf with levels and square. I check wall to
perpendicular shelf with a framing square again. Fine. Besides. The one
shelf bracket I had fit fine. Could that bracket be messed up? Checked
with framing square. Fine. I check the two I just bought.The damn things
are not 90 degrees. Pretty sad that a simple fixed shelf bracket is not
90 degrees. This I would expect from WalMart.

"Al Bundy" wrote in message


Could that bracket be messed up? Checked
with framing square. Fine. I check the two I just bought.The damn things
are not 90 degrees. Pretty sad that a simple fixed shelf bracket is not
90 degrees. This I would expect from WalMart.

Why? The both buy from the cheapest suppliers and do everything they can to
drive prices down. Could have even been damage from shipping. Consumes
expect low prices, but they forget they are giving up something to get it.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in news:KTtrg.8$hb3.3@trndny04:


"Al Bundy" wrote in message


Could that bracket be messed up? Checked
with framing square. Fine. I check the two I just bought.The damn
things are not 90 degrees. Pretty sad that a simple fixed shelf
bracket is not 90 degrees. This I would expect from WalMart.

Why? The both buy from the cheapest suppliers and do everything they
can to drive prices down. Could have even been damage from shipping.
Consumes expect low prices, but they forget they are giving up
something to get it.





You are absolutely correct but did not look damaged at all. Both pieces
exactly the same.

Stopped by Blue Big Box. Ones I got there were square, a buck cheaper and
flimsier. Further support for your statement.

On 4 Jul 2006 05:34:49 -0700, "steve" wrote:

Ok, sorry to blow off, but this is not the 1st time this has happened
at the big 2 DIY stores ( both of which are a 35 mile round trip from
me).

I guess my own intelligence should be questioned too, as far as why I
keep going there.


Weeelll. If you suspect the hired help aint up to expectations how
about providing a sketch of the parts so that both your wife and the
store clerk have a pretty good idea of exactly what you want.

On 4 Jul 2006 05:34:49 -0700, "steve" wrote:

I gotta ask, do they have a mandatory IQ test to get a job at Lowes or
Home Depot?? I]m guessing they do, and if you do not come in , in the
bottom 10% no job for you.
( Apologies to DIY store folks reading who actually know what they are
doing)

Leaving aside corporate bean-counting, I have wondered if the current
building boom has something to do with it. At least where I am (NY
City) it seems like the whole world is a construction site. From
remodeling and expanding houses to new high-rises the real-estate
insanity has spurred a heck of a lot of construction. Perhaps there
just aren't as many unemployed tradespeople willing to work for retail
wages as there used to be.

Greg Guarino