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Heavy-Duty Post Brackets ??
I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join some of the posts. I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here, I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere near what I am looking for. Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time if I could find a source for these items. Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for ?? Thanks for any suggestions !!! --James-- |
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In a previous post James wrote...
I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will have to have them custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses 3/16" material. One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in your area, they can also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need. however, I'm guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do the job cheaper. -- Bob Morrison, PE, SE R L Morrison Engineering Co Structural & Civil Engineering Poulsbo WA bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com |
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and my comment would be why not use a simpson post cap? why 3/16"
thick? are you planning to store your wood on top of your woodshed or in it? |
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"James" wrote in message ... I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join some of the posts. I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here, I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere near what I am looking for. Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time if I could find a source for these items. Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for ?? Thanks for any suggestions !!! --James-- That's a simple job for your local neighborhood welding shop. They can even apply an even more "rustic look" by hammering the material. JTMcC. |
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-- Phil Scott Ideas are bullet proof. "Bob Morrison" wrote in message k.net... In a previous post James wrote... I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will have to have them custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses 3/16" material. One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in your area, they can also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need. however, I'm guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do the job cheaper. Red Hat, or maybe its White Hat an industrial building supply in san francisco has heavy steel brackets of all types. beam to post supports in 3/16" steel, I dont recall if they had supports for embedding posts that that thick... the mfgr who made the beam and post brackets though probably makes post embedment items.... call some local industrial building supplies they probably have catalogues on such items. Phil Scott -- Bob Morrison, PE, SE R L Morrison Engineering Co Structural & Civil Engineering Poulsbo WA bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com |
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Phil, thank you and others for helpful replies. I will check on those
names. I welcome further comments on this. --James-- |
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James wrote:
I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join some of the posts. I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here, I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere near what I am looking for. Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time if I could find a source for these items. Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for ?? Thanks for any suggestions !!! --James-- Where are you at? I have a source for custom brackets like this. I know exactly what you are talking about looking for them on line or local. The simpson or USP architectural series or USP ornamental series will cost you a lot more than having them made. I would be willing to serve as your middle man for a few bucks over cost if you provided drawings. Post your e-mail address or some way of contacting you and we can discuss further. I have a picture of a custom joist hanger I had made I can send you. Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php |
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James wrote:
I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join some of the posts. I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here, I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere near what I am looking for. Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time if I could find a source for these items. Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for ?? Thanks for any suggestions !!! --James-- Do some searching for "TECO Timber". http://www.clevelandsteel.com/divisi...nstruction.htm Be prepared to have your checkbook extremely well prepared. As posted alreay having these fasteners fabricated locally will likely be far more cost effective (though still very expensive). We have built several structures, though larger than a shed, and we have either fab'd the pieces ourselves or had them fab'd at a local shop. $30-$50+ per simple connection would not be uncommon. And dont forget the fasteners that will follow. It would not be uncommon to spend a couple hundred dollars in lags/rod/nuts/etc. to put these connectors together. Perhaps you have a desire to learn metal fabrication as a hobby. A cutting rig, small welder, and small hyd. brake may cost $1000.00. A small drill press for $250.00. Add a sheet of 3/16 plate at $300.00 and you could make the connectors yourself for $1500.00 but you'd have all the gear to boot!! Mark |
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Phil Scott wrote: -- Phil Scott Ideas are bullet proof. "Bob Morrison" wrote in message k.net... In a previous post James wrote... I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will have to have them custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses 3/16" material. One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in your area, they can also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need. however, I'm guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do the job cheaper. Red Hat, or maybe its White Hat an industrial building supply in san francisco has heavy steel brackets of all types. beam to post supports in 3/16" steel, I dont recall if they had supports for embedding posts that that thick... the mfgr who made the beam and post brackets though probably makes post embedment items.... call some local industrial building supplies they probably have catalogues on such items. Phil Scott -- Bob Morrison, PE, SE R L Morrison Engineering Co Structural & Civil Engineering Poulsbo WA bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com That would be WhiteCap I believe cheers Bob |
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James wrote: I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join some of the posts. I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here, I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere near what I am looking for. Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time if I could find a source for these items. Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for ?? Thanks for any suggestions !!! --James-- Simpson has a line http://www.strongtie.com/products/apg/index.html check them out they're 7 gage thickess ~.180 but only 2.5" wide I'd take a look at them before fab' ing custom. cheers Bob |
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-- Phil Scott Ideas are bullet proof. "Bobk207" wrote in message ups.com... Phil Scott wrote: -- Phil Scott Ideas are bullet proof. "Bob Morrison" wrote in message k.net... In a previous post James wrote... I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. To get this type of bracket in this thickness you will have to have them custom made. I am not aware of any manufacturer who uses 3/16" material. One note: if there is a Simpson Factory "fab shop" in your area, they can also make custom brackets of the dimensions you need. however, I'm guessing that a local steel fabricator can probably do the job cheaper. Red Hat, or maybe its White Hat an industrial building supply in san francisco has heavy steel brackets of all types. beam to post supports in 3/16" steel, I dont recall if they had supports for embedding posts that that thick... the mfgr who made the beam and post brackets though probably makes post embedment items.... call some local industrial building supplies they probably have catalogues on such items. Phil Scott -- Bob Morrison, PE, SE R L Morrison Engineering Co Structural & Civil Engineering Poulsbo WA bob at rlmorrisonengr dot com That would be WhiteCap I believe OK ok...if you had been dropped on your head as a small child you would have a few glitches too. I ran into those guys when I was doing a houseboat deck for a guy in the Marina by Pac Bell park in SF....welded aluminum frame, with nautical cabling, and tapered yellow ballou planks laid out in a fan shape... it got rave reviews. Phil Scott cheers Bob |
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M&S wrote:
James wrote: I am building a woodshed, using 4 X 6 's as the super-structure. I need a strong method of joining the posts together, and plan to use steel straps T-shaped brackets, and L-shaped brackets at various places to join some of the posts. I am looking for heavy-duty brackets and straps, probably 3/16 of an inch thick. Widths would be in the three-inch range and the lengths would vary from 5 to 8 inches or so. Simpson products are not what I wish to use, I want something that not only is more robust in terms of strength, but also will have the rustic, heavy-duty "look." Unless they come painted black, I plan to paint them black, so I guess they will look like wrought iron. I can't find anywhere to puchase this type of product. Before posting here, I have googled "post brackets", "angle brackets" , "construction brackets" and many other similar descriptions, but I cannot find anywhere near what I am looking for. Yes, I know that I can make up drawings and go to a machine shop and have some stuff made up, but I am sure it would be cheaper and save me some time if I could find a source for these items. Do any of you have any ideas of locating a source for what I am looking for ?? Thanks for any suggestions !!! --James-- Do some searching for "TECO Timber". http://www.clevelandsteel.com/divisi...nstruction.htm Be prepared to have your checkbook extremely well prepared. As posted alreay having these fasteners fabricated locally will likely be far more cost effective (though still very expensive). We have built several structures, though larger than a shed, and we have either fab'd the pieces ourselves or had them fab'd at a local shop. $30-$50+ per simple connection would not be uncommon. And dont forget the fasteners that will follow. It would not be uncommon to spend a couple hundred dollars in lags/rod/nuts/etc. to put these connectors together. Perhaps you have a desire to learn metal fabrication as a hobby. A cutting rig, small welder, and small hyd. brake may cost $1000.00. A small drill press for $250.00. Add a sheet of 3/16 plate at $300.00 and you could make the connectors yourself for $1500.00 but you'd have all the gear to boot!! Mark Check these custom brackets out - http://tinyurl.com/z9lwh They cost $7 including primer. Not too bad. Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php |
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No wrote:
Check these custom brackets out - http://tinyurl.com/z9lwh They cost $7 including primer. Not too bad. From where? |
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Thanks for all the very helpful replies. Bob, thanks, and I am looking at
those Simpson products, and have emailed them for prices and catalogs. M&S posted a picture of a bracket line that I would LOVE to review, but not a hint of who makes it or where you found it. M&S, could you provide more info on those nice brakets please ?? Again, that you ALL for the nice replies !!! --james-- |
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James wrote:
Thanks for all the very helpful replies. Bob, thanks, and I am looking at those Simpson products, and have emailed them for prices and catalogs. M&S posted a picture of a bracket line that I would LOVE to review, but not a hint of who makes it or where you found it. M&S, could you provide more info on those nice brakets please ?? Again, that you ALL for the nice replies !!! --james-- Actually, I didnt post the pic of the bracket. "No" posted that pic. I also posted a response asking where those were available for $7.00. I have a feeling $7.00 is what the material (and primer) cost No to make that bracket but its just a guess. There is far from $7.00 worth of steel and paint in that bracket but you would need a welder, saw, grinder, and drill press to fab those yourself hehe. If you were to amortize the cost of that equipment out over say, a couple hundred, of those brackets they may cost $7.00/ea. I would however guess you could find a local shop to make brackets, hangers, and bases, similar to that using stock (cheap) angle for less than you imagine. Its worth a couple phone calls. Mark |
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Ok Mark, thanks !!!
--james-- |
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:12:00 -0400, "James"
wrote: Phil, thank you and others for helpful replies. I will check on those names. I welcome further comments on this. I can't help wondering why you're using metal connectors, when it sounds like you're building a timber-frame building. Why not go with pegged mortice and tennon? |
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The reason why I am using metal connectors is that I like them.
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