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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
Hello all;
We've just installed an entire wall of kitchen cabinets in knotty pine (couldn't find any other type of pine, and hardwood prices are out of this world). When you look at it from the corner of your eye, it feels like the wall is covered with a giant leopard skin. NOT the look we were after. Is there a way to mask SOME of the knots before we varnish the whole thing in natural or honey-pine finish? Thanks. LD |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
You're knot being very understanding. LD did knot want to hear that
there was knot a thing that could be done. Why could you knot have suggested a knot removing tool? http://www.fine-tools.com/G312215.htm Its knot that LD did knot want the pine to be knotty, LD just did knot want it to be as knotty as it is. If you looked at things from the corner of your eye as LD does you would knot have such a hard time seeing things as they really are and knot how your percieve them. |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
Are you saying that "Knotty-but-Knot-too-Knotty" Pine should have been
spec'd for the cabinets, instead of the regular "Chock-Full-o-Knots" variety? Or would "Semi-Clear-Yet-Knot-Too-Expensive" Pine have been a better choice?? You could always dutchman in some clear pine. 'Twould look worse, but it would eliminate the knots. "RayV" wrote in message oups.com... You're knot being very understanding. LD did knot want to hear that there was knot a thing that could be done. Why could you knot have suggested a knot removing tool? http://www.fine-tools.com/G312215.htm Its knot that LD did knot want the pine to be knotty, LD just did knot want it to be as knotty as it is. If you looked at things from the corner of your eye as LD does you would knot have such a hard time seeing things as they really are and knot how your percieve them. |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
wrote in message ups.com... Hello all; We've just installed an entire wall of kitchen cabinets in knotty pine (couldn't find any other type of pine, and hardwood prices are out of this world). When you look at it from the corner of your eye, it feels like the wall is covered with a giant leopard skin. NOT the look we were after. Is there a way to mask SOME of the knots before we varnish the whole thing in natural or honey-pine finish? Thanks. LD You are basically stuck with what you have short of painting or staining a dark color. Stop looking from the corner of your eye. |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
I would've ordered "Kinda-Knotty" or "Knot a lot of Knots", but that's
knot what everybody likes. |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
i agree, there is no way to remove knots that won't look worse than the
knots themselves. i suggest polyurethane, then live with it for 6 months. sometimes things that bother you at first will be soon forgotten. if it still bugs you, paint them or whatever. |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
"Bob S." wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Hello all; We've just installed an entire wall of kitchen cabinets in knotty pine (couldn't find any other type of pine, and hardwood prices are out of this world). When you look at it from the corner of your eye, it feels like the wall is covered with a giant leopard skin. NOT the look we were after. Is there a way to mask SOME of the knots before we varnish the whole thing in natural or honey-pine finish? Thanks. LD No. Your only alternative now is to paint them. If you do, BE SURE you use a stain killer primer (like Kilz) first or the knots will bleed through the paint. Bob I see we have another Bob S. fresh to the group....;-) Actually, there is something besides painting that he can do with stains to lessen the effect. It's a bit of work but you can use some gel stains and/or a mixture of artists paints (acrylics) to "reduce" the knot from standing out so much by blending in some colors and "feathering" it to make them appear smaller and less obtrusive. It will take some practice to get the colors mixed right and then practice the blending. You're only staining the knot - not the surrounding wood so you'll be trying to make it lighter looking (less obtrusive to the eye) and not painting it out entirely. (the original), Bob S. |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
"coustanis" wrote in message That's why they call it KNOTTY pine. WTF did you use knotty pine for if it's knot what you wanted. Actually, the number and size of knots differs in the wood often found today than it was 50 years ago on older growth trees. |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
On 19 May 2006 07:10:12 -0700, "Bob S." wrote:
wrote: Hello all; We've just installed an entire wall of kitchen cabinets in knotty pine (couldn't find any other type of pine, and hardwood prices are out of this world). When you look at it from the corner of your eye, it feels like the wall is covered with a giant leopard skin. NOT the look we were after. Is there a way to mask SOME of the knots before we varnish the whole thing in natural or honey-pine finish? Thanks. LD No. Your only alternative now is to paint them. If you do, BE SURE you use a stain killer primer (like Kilz) first or the knots will bleed through the paint. Well, you COULD rout out the knots, and put in dutchman patches. That would be less obtrusive than the knots. But I agree that a coat of shellac and then paint is probably the best bet. Although I'm not sure how knotty pine will stand up to the humidity cycles in a kitchen. You may end up having to patch the knots over the years as they pop out, anyway. |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
BobS:
practice the blending. You're only staining the knot - not the surrounding wood so you'll be trying to make it lighter looking Good idea, if the knots will take any stain. There are people who paint fake woodgrain, why not paint out knots. What about bleaching the knots? He could try a thinned down bleach or peroxide on just the knots. Test it on scrap first. I know someone who has a knotty (not naughty) cedar wall and it looks great. The OP might want to give it a few weeks and see if he grows to like the knots. -- Mac Cool |
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Laminate veneer that you like better over the cabinets.
Bob S. wrote: No. Your only alternative now is to paint them. If you do, BE SURE you use a stain killer primer (like Kilz) first or the knots will bleed through the paint. Bob |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
On 19 May 2006 07:27:05 -0700, "RayV" wrote:
You're knot being very understanding. LD did knot want to hear that there was knot a thing that could be done. Why could you knot have suggested a knot removing tool? LOL http://www.fine-tools.com/G312215.htm Its knot that LD did knot want the pine to be knotty, LD just did knot want it to be as knotty as it is. If you looked at things from the corner of your eye as LD does you would knot have such a hard time seeing things as they really are and knot how your percieve them. |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
In article .com,
RayV wrote: You're knot being very understanding. LD did knot want to hear that there was knot a thing that could be done. Why could you knot have suggested a knot removing tool? http://www.fine-tools.com/G312215.htm Its knot that LD did knot want the pine to be knotty, LD just did knot want it to be as knotty as it is. If you looked at things from the corner of your eye as LD does you would knot have such a hard time seeing things as they really are and knot how your percieve them. naughty knotty, naught not? |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
On 2006-05-19, Stubby ranted thusly:
coustanis wrote: That's why they call it KNOTTY pine. WTF did you use knotty pine for if it's knot what you wanted. I understand not being able to readily find other material locally but you could have oredred it from SOMEWHERE. Didn't you look at it before it was installed? How does your comment help? Does it make you fell superior? I would bet that falling upwards backwards in time is knot in his skillset. er -- email not valid |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
On 2006-05-19, Leon ranted thusly:
wrote in message ups.com... We've just installed an entire wall of kitchen cabinets in knotty pine (couldn't find any other type of pine, and hardwood prices are out of this world). You are basically stuck with what you have short of painting or staining a dark color. Stop looking from the corner of your eye. Either stop looking out of the corner of your eye, or adapt the decor to fit. I think this calls for some 4-6ft. blackwood fertility statues on either side of the dining table. And a couple congas. er -- email not valid |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
RayV (in ) said:
| You're knot being very understanding. LD did knot want to hear that | there was knot a thing that could be done. Why could you knot have | suggested a knot removing tool? Know knead - just untie 'em... [Yes, yes - I was just leaving.] -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "coustanis" wrote in message That's why they call it KNOTTY pine. WTF did you use knotty pine for if it's knot what you wanted. Actually, the number and size of knots differs in the wood often found today than it was 50 years ago on older growth trees. Not quite true. The trees haven't changed - what we are willing to settle for has. As long as they send the good lumber overseas to people who won't settle for crap, we'll continue to get the leftovers here. Bob S. |
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Bob S. wrote: Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "coustanis" wrote in message That's why they call it KNOTTY pine. WTF did you use knotty pine for if it's knot what you wanted. Actually, the number and size of knots differs in the wood often found today than it was 50 years ago on older growth trees. Not quite true. The trees haven't changed - what we are willing to settle for has. As long as they send the good lumber overseas to people who won't settle for crap, we'll continue to get the leftovers here. We settle for wood cut from second growth becuase there is less old growth available to be felled. -- FF |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
"Bob S." wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Hello all; We've just installed an entire wall of kitchen cabinets in knotty pine (couldn't find any other type of pine, and hardwood prices are out of this world). When you look at it from the corner of your eye, it feels like the wall is covered with a giant leopard skin. NOT the look we were after. Is there a way to mask SOME of the knots before we varnish the whole thing in natural or honey-pine finish? Thanks. LD No. Your only alternative now is to paint them. If you do, BE SURE you use a stain killer primer (like Kilz) first or the knots will bleed through the paint. Bob I see we have new Bob S. posting in the group... I posted earlier but for whatever reason it didn't make it thru. I noticed the OP cross-posted his question to several groups and maybe that's where my reply went instead of here. Paint is certainly an option but he could also use gel stains and/or artists paints to lighten the knots and blend them in by feathering the stain to lessen their presence. (the original....;-) Bob S. |
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BobS wrote:
"Bob S." wrote in message oups.com... wrote: Hello all; We've just installed an entire wall of kitchen cabinets in knotty pine (couldn't find any other type of pine, and hardwood prices are out of this world). When you look at it from the corner of your eye, it feels like the wall is covered with a giant leopard skin. NOT the look we were after. Is there a way to mask SOME of the knots before we varnish the whole thing in natural or honey-pine finish? Thanks. LD No. Your only alternative now is to paint them. If you do, BE SURE you use a stain killer primer (like Kilz) first or the knots will bleed through the paint. Bob I see we have new Bob S. posting in the group... I posted earlier but for whatever reason it didn't make it thru. I noticed the OP cross-posted his question to several groups and maybe that's where my reply went instead of here. Paint is certainly an option but he could also use gel stains and/or artists paints to lighten the knots and blend them in by feathering the stain to lessen their presence. (the original....;-) Bob S. I completely agree with the suggestion to use a stain killer primer (aka Kilz). Knotty pine is RICH with oils that will bleed thru almost any other type of paint, stain, or primer. For a smooth finish AFTER the stain killer primer is applied, use a wood filler. |
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I'm gonna have to get back to read all posts, but before I do: I sand/poly a
pic table every year. Last year before I polied I wiped Lacquer thinner over the bare pine where there was blackening from water exposure. Maybe it was the sun, but it definetely bleached it white. It was like a full makeover! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Knotty pine - too many knots!!
Back in the 50,s my father built a cottage on lake Puckaway in Wisconsin. I
remember the beautiful knotty pine walls(t&g) with the varnish finish. Lots of knots and a reddish yellow tint. It was something I have never seen again. It was truly some of the most beautiful wood I have ever seen. "Bob S." wrote in message oups.com... Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "coustanis" wrote in message That's why they call it KNOTTY pine. WTF did you use knotty pine for if it's knot what you wanted. Actually, the number and size of knots differs in the wood often found today than it was 50 years ago on older growth trees. Not quite true. The trees haven't changed - what we are willing to settle for has. As long as they send the good lumber overseas to people who won't settle for crap, we'll continue to get the leftovers here. Bob S. |
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I bought some pine furniture which has lots of knots, but its good stuff.
Popping is not necc a worry; see http://www.canwood.com/feature.html ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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you can paint over it later, I think, and pine /poly should darken over
time. Darkening is explained elsewhere in the link I give elsewhere. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Lee" wrote in message ... Back in the 50,s my father built a cottage on lake Puckaway in Wisconsin. I remember the beautiful knotty pine walls(t&g) with the varnish finish. Lots of knots and a reddish yellow tint. It was something I have never seen again. It was truly some of the most beautiful wood I have ever seen. "Bob S." wrote in message oups.com... Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "coustanis" wrote in message That's why they call it KNOTTY pine. WTF did you use knotty pine for if it's knot what you wanted. Actually, the number and size of knots differs in the wood often found today than it was 50 years ago on older growth trees. Not quite true. The trees haven't changed - what we are willing to settle for has. As long as they send the good lumber overseas to people who won't settle for crap, we'll continue to get the leftovers here. More true than not true. The cheap and easy old-growth stuff has been largely cut down here in the lower 48, and you now have to haul it from Canada, and eventually, Siberia, once they get their act together. The old-growth that is left is largely in areas that aren't easily loggable, and/or protected from logging. Try buying clear-grain pine for trim sometime. (Forget about redwood). All you'll find is finger-joint, unless cash is no object. I could cry thinking about all the 3-4 foot scraps that I threw on the burn pile as a kid. Who knew? Any more, I would squirrel those away for window and cabinet trim repairs. Increased durability isn't the only reason that faux wood made from sawdust and pop bottles has caught on for trim work- real wood good enough to not warp in a year has gotten damn expensive. I visited northern Europe last year, on the edge of the former USSR, and positively drooled over the truckloads of lumber I saw heading into the pallet and crate plants. Due to lack of a functioning market system, a lot of their forests basically have lain fallow for 50+ years, and weren't heavily logged before that. Their equivilant of a 2x10, a little thicker and wider because of metric, is some damn nice looking lumber. I'd love to get a couple seatrain boxes worth over here for household projects. T&G interior paneling is dirt-common, and has almost no knots. They usually let it go naked, or at most, put a clear sealer on it. aem sends.... |
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