I'm trying to change house insurance companies and The Hartford (the
new company) says I need to have my rental unit tested for lead paint
by a qualified lead inspector and then send the insurance company a
copy of the official inspection report.

"Levon" wrote in message
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I'm trying to change house insurance companies and The Hartford (the
new company) says I need to have my rental unit tested for lead paint
by a qualified lead inspector and then send the insurance company a
copy of the official inspection report.


So? Why is this a problem? It's like a preexisting illness. The company
doesn't want to be pay claims by any of your tenants if the place turns out
to be contaminated. Sounds like a normal business concern to me.

insurance will likely put a non covered for existing lead hazards in
your new policy.....

wrote:
insurance will likely put a non covered for existing lead hazards in
your new policy.....

The only local yellow pages listing is an inspector who uses
nondestructive testing and it would cost $400-$450 (because of the
fancy nuclear equipment)!? Jim's specialty at B&W is nondestructive
testing so he will check into possible options with a colleague of his.
I also have a call in to the Health Dept...environmental section and to
the DEQ...no responses so far...but I need to give it more time. Maybe
it's too soon to run it past the gurus!? But maybe you know stuff about
testing for lead paint to determine that they are above or below HUD
toxic levels. Oh, the joys of home ownership:-\

we have heard of this liability concern that comes up as you describe
on rental units constructed in the lead paint years. you may be better
off staying with your present insurer while you investigate lead.
NY state requires lead disclosure be provided to tenants and purchasers
of property.
i would not be surprised in the future to see radon testing, carbon
monoxide testing of heating units, mold testing, soil testing for
contaminants, and safe well water testing.

Last time I was at Home Depot, I saw they had kits for testing for lead
in paint...they were on the paint counter...I think it was a
'nondestructive' type test. You could pick up one or two and test the
paint to see if you even want a 'qualified' inspector to test it.


Levon wrote:

I'm trying to change house insurance companies and The Hartford (the
new company) says I need to have my rental unit tested for lead paint
by a qualified lead inspector and then send the insurance company a
copy of the official inspection report.

"Levon" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm trying to change house insurance companies and The Hartford (the
new company) says I need to have my rental unit tested for lead paint
by a qualified lead inspector and then send the insurance company a
copy of the official inspection report.

I'd want that done too. OK if it is your family, but with a rental and the
potential for lawsuits, any insurance company would want some evidence of
lead free. How old is the house? If it is pre-1978 it may have lead, if it
is pre 1960 it most likely has or had lead. If it is pre 1950, you can bet
it did. If it was professionally abated, a certificate may be all that is
needed.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

I own a Section 8 rental unit, and the only thing they ever said, was that
the paint can't be flaking.

"Levon" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
insurance will likely put a non covered for existing lead hazards in
your new policy.....

The only local yellow pages listing is an inspector who uses
nondestructive testing and it would cost $400-$450 (because of the
fancy nuclear equipment)!? Jim's specialty at B&W is nondestructive
testing so he will check into possible options with a colleague of his.
I also have a call in to the Health Dept...environmental section and to
the DEQ...no responses so far...but I need to give it more time. Maybe
it's too soon to run it past the gurus!? But maybe you know stuff about
testing for lead paint to determine that they are above or below HUD
toxic levels. Oh, the joys of home ownership:-\

"Levon" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
insurance will likely put a non covered for existing lead hazards in
your new policy.....

The only local yellow pages listing is an inspector who uses
nondestructive testing and it would cost $400-$450 (because of the
fancy nuclear equipment)!? Jim's specialty at B&W is nondestructive
testing so he will check into possible options with a colleague of his.
I also have a call in to the Health Dept...environmental section and to
the DEQ...no responses so far...but I need to give it more time. Maybe
it's too soon to run it past the gurus!? But maybe you know stuff about
testing for lead paint to determine that they are above or below HUD
toxic levels. Oh, the joys of home ownership:-\


If you buy a house (at least here - Rochester NY) that's over a certain age,
it might have lead paint under several coats of newer paint, so you get a
disclosure statement that you have to sign, indicating that you understand
the situation. Doesn't matter if you have children who might eat paint
chips. The seller can sell the house and the buyer can buy the house.
There's no guarantee that the buyer who has little kids will do anything to
remedy the situation, or that their kids will be properly supervised so they
don't gnaw on the window sills. Rentals are assumed to be a different
situation. Either the landlord might be a cheap ******* who doesn't fix the
situation, or that tenants' kids are more likely to be unsupervised, or
hungry enough to eat paint chips.

Why not just prohibit renting to families with kids, if the building is as
risky as some private homes?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
Either the landlord might be a cheap ******* who doesn't fix the
situation, or that tenants' kids are more likely to be unsupervised, or
hungry enough to eat paint chips.

Why not just prohibit renting to families with kids, if the building is as
risky as some private homes?

I grew up in a big city with plenty of houses that had lead paint. None of
us had lead poisoning. Now that lead had been banned for 30 years and had
fallen from use before that anyway, lead poisoning seems to be very high.
Older houses have often been renovated and lead removed making the incidence
even less likely, but kids are still getting it. What is going on? Do we
not feed the kids the right foods and so they chew on paint? I can sort of
understand a toddler chewing on his crib, but a windowsill?

PS: we also ate peanut butter and did not have allergies and were not ADD
or whatever is so popular today.

Lead paint can contaminate even with no peeling paint from windows that
have been painted. Every time a window goes up and down old lead paint
on the chain-rope and tracks is released. There is a program in Chicago
from CIC where half your cost of window replacement is free if you
qualify. I know a building I own was cited with high levels and there is
no peeling paint. We just put in 110 new windows because of lead issues.

For the renter stay with your company, any issue will be lead in your
blood which can be tested for.

There are still a lot of homes that have copper pipes with lead solder.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
. ..

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
Either the landlord might be a cheap ******* who doesn't fix the
situation, or that tenants' kids are more likely to be unsupervised, or
hungry enough to eat paint chips.

Why not just prohibit renting to families with kids, if the building is
as
risky as some private homes?

I grew up in a big city with plenty of houses that had lead paint. None
of
us had lead poisoning. Now that lead had been banned for 30 years and had
fallen from use before that anyway, lead poisoning seems to be very high.
Older houses have often been renovated and lead removed making the
incidence
even less likely, but kids are still getting it. What is going on? Do we
not feed the kids the right foods and so they chew on paint? I can sort
of
understand a toddler chewing on his crib, but a windowsill?

PS: we also ate peanut butter and did not have allergies and were not ADD
or whatever is so popular today.

"Bob" wrote in message
. ..
There are still a lot of homes that have copper pipes with lead solder.

......and 38 feet of ancient electrical tape wrapped around each connection.
I can't tell you how many time I considered arson as a solution in my
previous house. :-)

"Bob" wrote in message
. ..
There are still a lot of homes that have copper pipes with lead solder.


My last house still had the lead supply line from the street. None of us
ever got lead poisoning from it. Thousands of houses were built with lead
supply in the 1940's.

"buffalobill" wrote in message
oups.com...


NY state requires lead disclosure be provided to tenants and purchasers
of property.

Actually it is a Federal law for pre 1978 construction. Or at least an EPA
regulation.

Any known hazards must be disclosed. If you have never tested the property
you must disclose that. You must also give them a little pamphlet and they
must sign off on all of the above.

Stupid little booklets cost 50 cents each.

Colbyt

"Colbyt" wrote in message
news:Rquyf.489834$084.93884@attbi_s22...

"buffalobill" wrote in message
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NY state requires lead disclosure be provided to tenants and purchasers
of property.

Actually it is a Federal law for pre 1978 construction. Or at least an
EPA
regulation.

Any known hazards must be disclosed. If you have never tested the
property
you must disclose that. You must also give them a little pamphlet and
they
must sign off on all of the above.

Stupid little booklets cost 50 cents each.

Colbyt



Not such a bad idea. Young, first time homeowners can be pretty clueless.
Paint *does* turn into chips sometimes. Kids *do* sometimes nibble on
whatever they see. Why should the kids pay for their parents' ignorance?