Hi,

Do you guys have any experience with this kind of tankless water heater? It is pretty popular in other countries but not in the America. It is not cheap here either.


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There is no answer.
There has not been an answer.
There will not be an answer.
That IS the answer!
And I am screwed.
Deadline was due yesterday.

There is no point to life.
THAT IS THE POINT.
And we are screwed.
We will run out of oil soon.

I installed one once and got nothing but complaints.
"Tom" wrote in message . net...
Hi,

Do you guys have any experience with this kind of tankless water heater? It is pretty popular in other countries but not in the America. It is not cheap here either.


--
There is no answer.
There has not been an answer.
There will not be an answer.
That IS the answer!
And I am screwed.
Deadline was due yesterday.

There is no point to life.
THAT IS THE POINT.
And we are screwed.
We will run out of oil soon.

I have a gas Bosch and have had no probems, If you want to save on
utilities get a tankless. Just because Bob had problems is not
reflective of tankless. Did Bob ever have a bad car, does Bob still
drive today.

I experienced one in Puerto Rico, and it worked fine. But, the water from
the tap in this neighborhood was lukewarm to begin with, no matter how long
we ran it, so the water heater didn't need to work very hard.


"Tom" wrote in message
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Hi,

Do you guys have any experience with this kind of tankless water heater? It
is pretty popular in other countries but not in the America. It is not
cheap here either.

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:51:24 -0500, Bob wrote:

I installed one once and got nothing but complaints.

Hi Bob,
What were the major complaints? I've been thinking about installing one
at our cabin. The cabin is used infrequently, there is quite a long wait
for the electric water heater to warm up, and I don't want
to leave it running for weeks when no one is there.

I'm doubting whether it's worth it.

thanks

The person I installed it for insisted on an electric one, and then
complained about it. I didn't comment about experiences you (or anyone else)
had, only the experience I had.

"m Ransley" wrote in message
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I have a gas Bosch and have had no probems, If you want to save on
utilities get a tankless. Just because Bob had problems is not
reflective of tankless. Did Bob ever have a bad car, does Bob still
drive today.

Look into Bosch, Takagi or Rinnai, efficiencies go to 94% and energy
factors of 90+ the best Sears for example gas tank is only 63 energy
factor. Takagi and Rinnai make commercial grade units also with remote
thermostats, I have a small 112000 btu Bosch and it heats 35f incomming
for a hot shower not even set to high. You will save alot with a Ng
tankless, I save 25 a month over electric tank.

Basically, the water just didn't get hot enough, but as I said previously,
it was electric.

Storage type water heaters are rated by their 'recovery rate'. This is how
fast they can raise the water temperature 90 degrees. (A theoretical
incoming cold water temp of 50 degrees, up to 140 deg. F.) A 240 volt 4500
watt electric water heater takes 2 hours to heat 40 gallons of water. A 40
gallon gas water heater is about twice as fast (depending on the firing
rate).



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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:51:24 -0500, Bob wrote:

I installed one once and got nothing but complaints.

Hi Bob,
What were the major complaints? I've been thinking about installing one
at our cabin. The cabin is used infrequently, there is quite a long wait
for the electric water heater to warm up, and I don't want
to leave it running for weeks when no one is there.

I'm doubting whether it's worth it.

thanks

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I experienced one in Puerto Rico, and it worked fine. But, the water from
the tap in this neighborhood was lukewarm to begin with, no matter how long
we ran it, so the water heater didn't need to work very hard.

Were you in Ceiba or Fjardo?

Bob wrote:
Basically, the water just didn't get hot enough, but as I said previously,
it was electric.

Storage type water heaters are rated by their 'recovery rate'. This is how
fast they can raise the water temperature 90 degrees. (A theoretical
incoming cold water temp of 50 degrees, up to 140 deg. F.) A 240 volt 4500
watt electric water heater takes 2 hours to heat 40 gallons of water. A 40
gallon gas water heater is about twice as fast (depending on the firing
rate).



"Rastus" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:51:24 -0500, Bob wrote:

I installed one once and got nothing but complaints.

Hi Bob,
What were the major complaints? I've been thinking about installing one
at our cabin. The cabin is used infrequently, there is quite a long wait
for the electric water heater to warm up, and I don't want
to leave it running for weeks when no one is there.

I'm doubting whether it's worth it.

thanks

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I experienced one in Puerto Rico, and it worked fine. But, the water from
the tap in this neighborhood was lukewarm to begin with, no matter how
long we ran it, so the water heater didn't need to work very hard.

Were you in Ceiba or Fjardo?


Yauco - a little bit West of Ponce.

http://www.designerplumbing.com/tvtt.html

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I experienced one in Puerto Rico, and it worked fine. But, the water from
the tap in this neighborhood was lukewarm to begin with, no matter how
long we ran it, so the water heater didn't need to work very hard.

Were you in Ceiba or Fjardo?


Yauco - a little bit West of Ponce.

Been to Ponce. Pretty place.

One day I'll get back there. Been since 1979.....

"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I experienced one in Puerto Rico, and it worked fine. But, the water
from the tap in this neighborhood was lukewarm to begin with, no matter
how long we ran it, so the water heater didn't need to work very hard.

Were you in Ceiba or Fjardo?


Yauco - a little bit West of Ponce.

Been to Ponce. Pretty place.

One day I'll get back there. Been since 1979.....


If you haven't been to Rincon either, put that on your list. Amazing place.
Get a room at Casa Isleña.

What happen when the calcium build up over time in the tube?
Can we open it up and change the tube?

"Tom" wrote in message . net...
Hi,

Do you guys have any experience with this kind of tankless water heater? It is pretty popular in other countries but not in the America. It is not cheap here either.


--
There is no answer.
There has not been an answer.
There will not be an answer.
That IS the answer!
And I am screwed.
Deadline was due yesterday.

There is no point to life.
THAT IS THE POINT.
And we are screwed.
We will run out of oil soon.

"m Ransley" wrote in message
...
Look into Bosch, Takagi or Rinnai, efficiencies go to 94% and energy
factors of 90+ the best Sears for example gas tank is only 63 energy
factor. Takagi and Rinnai make commercial grade units also with remote
thermostats, I have a small 112000 btu Bosch and it heats 35f incomming
for a hot shower not even set to high. You will save alot with a Ng
tankless, I save 25 a month over electric tank.


Only thing holding me back is the simultanious need to replace most of the
gas piping in my house so that I can get enough fuel to the fire. An
additional expense tipping the ROI out of favor. Perhaps I will have the
guts to DIY that someday.

m Ransley wrote:

... I save 25 a month over electric tank.

Keeping a tank hot with no water usage takes $25/month? :-)

Nick

"PipeDown" wrote in message
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"m Ransley" wrote in message
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Look into Bosch, Takagi or Rinnai, efficiencies go to 94% and energy
factors of 90+ the best Sears for example gas tank is only 63 energy
factor. Takagi and Rinnai make commercial grade units also with remote
thermostats, I have a small 112000 btu Bosch and it heats 35f incomming
for a hot shower not even set to high. You will save alot with a Ng
tankless, I save 25 a month over electric tank.


Only thing holding me back is the simultanious need to replace most of the
gas piping in my house so that I can get enough fuel to the fire. An
additional expense tipping the ROI out of favor. Perhaps I will have the
guts to DIY that someday.



Two story house?

"PipeDown" wrote in message
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"m Ransley" wrote in message
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Look into Bosch, Takagi or Rinnai, efficiencies go to 94% and energy
factors of 90+ the best Sears for example gas tank is only 63 energy
factor. Takagi and Rinnai make commercial grade units also with remote
thermostats, I have a small 112000 btu Bosch and it heats 35f incomming
for a hot shower not even set to high. You will save alot with a Ng
tankless, I save 25 a month over electric tank.


Only thing holding me back is the simultanious need to replace most of the
gas piping in my house so that I can get enough fuel to the fire. An
additional expense tipping the ROI out of favor. Perhaps I will have the
guts to DIY that someday.



I should've asked a better question: Do these units need to be located right
at the place where they're used? If no, and they can go in the basement, why
would the piping be so expensive? Your heating contractor can install it,
and based on my experience, they're usually cheaper than plumbers.

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"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I experienced one in Puerto Rico, and it worked fine. But, the water
from the tap in this neighborhood was lukewarm to begin with, no matter
how long we ran it, so the water heater didn't need to work very hard.

Were you in Ceiba or Fjardo?


Yauco - a little bit West of Ponce.

Been to Ponce. Pretty place.

One day I'll get back there. Been since 1979.....


If you haven't been to Rincon either, put that on your list. Amazing
place. Get a room at Casa Isleña.

Been there. I lived in Ceiba for a year while trying to figure out what
college I wanted to go to. After a year of basically being a beach bum
during the day, bartender at night, and blackjack player (at the El
Conquistador) til daylight, my parents said to "pick a school and go because
you aren't staying here". Ah, but it was fun while it lasted.....

Wake up nick , of course I used the old electric tank, your questions
are so relavent.

They require alot of Btu mine is 117000 next size up is 180000 btu, that
takes alot of gas to be sure when you need the full btu its there. I use
1/2" but over 10ft I think its 3/4" or so. For the 180000 btu and a long
gas supply it has to be calculated. Mine is in the basement.