what is the best current replacement for diazinon or dursban?

has anyone tried the various replacements sold at Home Depot, Lowes, etc.?

can you recommend any that work as good as the banned ones, i.e. keeping
ants, termites, roaches out of yard for 3 months?

1:1 mixture of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and
2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid

D

On 1-Dec-2005, wrote:

1:1 mixture of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and
2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid


2,4 D and 2,4,5 T are both herbicides, not pesticides.

Mike

Just couldn't stand to see his post fester on the vine...

And those 2 are *specially notable* herbicides, at that.

-D

i been using malathion since diazanon was baned. it seems to work.lucas

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm

bubba wrote:
what is the best current replacement for diazinon or dursban?

has anyone tried the various replacements sold at Home Depot, Lowes,
etc.?
can you recommend any that work as good as the banned ones, i.e.
keeping ants, termites, roaches out of yard for 3 months?

I suggest that you check with your local county extension agent. They
know the local problems and solutions. I might tell you what would work
where I am, but it might be worthless where you are.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

bubba wrote:
what is the best current replacement for diazinon or dursban?

has anyone tried the various replacements sold at Home Depot, Lowes,
etc.?
can you recommend any that work as good as the banned ones, i.e.
keeping ants, termites, roaches out of yard for 3 months?

There are foreign firms that will ship DDT labeled as "Plaster of Paris."

It is surprisingly cheap.

Michael Daly wrote:
On 1-Dec-2005, wrote:


1:1 mixture of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and
2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid



2,4 D and 2,4,5 T are both herbicides, not pesticides.

Mike



They are both

pesticide
noun [C or U]
a chemical substance used to kill harmful insects, small animals, *wild
plants* and other unwanted organisms:

herbicide
noun [C or U]
a chemical which is used to destroy plants, especially weeds

Steve
41N

On 2-Dec-2005, Steve IA wrote:

They are both

In common usage, pesticides kill insects, herbicides kill plants.
Get over it.

Mike

HeyBub wrote:
bubba wrote:
what is the best current replacement for diazinon or dursban?

has anyone tried the various replacements sold at Home Depot, Lowes,
etc.?
can you recommend any that work as good as the banned ones, i.e.
keeping ants, termites, roaches out of yard for 3 months?

There are foreign firms that will ship DDT labeled as "Plaster of Paris."

It is surprisingly cheap.

Speaking of which, do you know you can still get R-12 freon outside of
the country? I was in Aruba earlier this year and found a gas station
convenient store fully stocked with shelves of R-12. It is not a buck
a can like the good ole days. Still I think it will be a commodity in
demand if someone can get it in the country. It is $5 and change a can
and made in Singapore.

bubba wrote:
what is the best current replacement for diazinon or dursban?

has anyone tried the various replacements sold at Home Depot, Lowes, etc.?

can you recommend any that work as good as the banned ones, i.e. keeping
ants, termites, roaches out of yard for 3 months?



boric acid?

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"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief
and a robber."

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Speaking of which, do you know you can still get R-12 freon outside of
the country? I was in Aruba earlier this year and found a gas station
convenient store fully stocked with shelves of R-12. It is not a buck
a can like the good ole days. Still I think it will be a commodity in
demand if someone can get it in the country. It is $5 and change a can
and made in Singapore.


you would have a better chance of getting cocaine into the country

john wrote:
Speaking of which, do you know you can still get R-12 freon outside of
the country? I was in Aruba earlier this year and found a gas station
convenient store fully stocked with shelves of R-12. It is not a buck
a can like the good ole days. Still I think it will be a commodity in
demand if someone can get it in the country. It is $5 and change a can
and made in Singapore.



you would have a better chance of getting cocaine into the country




And probably spend less time in Club Fed if caught. The funny part in
this saga is that the Chinese now manufacture millions of tons of R-12
and other CFC the enviros go nuts over, but no one really says much
about it.

Tim Killian wrote:
john wrote:
Speaking of which, do you know you can still get R-12 freon outside of
the country? I was in Aruba earlier this year and found a gas station
convenient store fully stocked with shelves of R-12. It is not a buck
a can like the good ole days. Still I think it will be a commodity in
demand if someone can get it in the country. It is $5 and change a can
and made in Singapore.



you would have a better chance of getting cocaine into the country




And probably spend less time in Club Fed if caught. The funny part in
this saga is that the Chinese now manufacture millions of tons of R-12
and other CFC the enviros go nuts over, but no one really says much
about it.

Care to provide some evidence to this fact? Millions of tons of R-12?
For what? All Chinese automobiles are foreign license assembled in
China. None are using R-12 in the same way they, or any other third
world country for that matter, don't need massive investment in land
lines but rather leap frog to cell phones.

CL (dnoyeB) Gilbert wrote:
bubba wrote:

what is the best current replacement for diazinon or dursban?

has anyone tried the various replacements sold at Home Depot, Lowes,
etc.?

can you recommend any that work as good as the banned ones, i.e.
keeping ants, termites, roaches out of yard for 3 months?


boric acid?


Hey that's good. spray or spread it all around
your yard, bet that will keep those pesky pests
out of your yard. It will certainly keep all the
vegetation out of your yard. A little (very
little) boron is essential to the growth of many
plants but more than a little is deadly.

yaofeng wrote:
Tim Killian wrote:

john wrote:

Speaking of which, do you know you can still get R-12 freon outside of
the country? I was in Aruba earlier this year and found a gas station
convenient store fully stocked with shelves of R-12. It is not a buck
a can like the good ole days. Still I think it will be a commodity in
demand if someone can get it in the country. It is $5 and change a can
and made in Singapore.



you would have a better chance of getting cocaine into the country




And probably spend less time in Club Fed if caught. The funny part in
this saga is that the Chinese now manufacture millions of tons of R-12
and other CFC the enviros go nuts over, but no one really says much
about it.


Care to provide some evidence to this fact? Millions of tons of R-12?
For what? All Chinese automobiles are foreign license assembled in
China. None are using R-12 in the same way they, or any other third
world country for that matter, don't need massive investment in land
lines but rather leap frog to cell phones.


Su

http://tinyurl.com/dp8ta

This is data from '02, so you'll need to double or triple the numbers
for '05 given the crazy economic growth rate in the PRC. It shows the
Chinese use hundreds of thousands of tons of CFCs for blow agents,
refrigerants, and fire protection agents. Much of it is produced on
equipment we sold them after the production of these products was banned
in the U.S.

Yes, they've signed treaties saying they will stop using CFCs, so what?
They will undoubtedly be ignored -- just look at how poorly they enforce
anti-piracy laws for IP and entertainment media. The PRC does what it
wants, and enviros who dare to protest over there are summarily jailed.

Tim Killian wrote:
yaofeng wrote:
Tim Killian wrote:

john wrote:

Speaking of which, do you know you can still get R-12 freon outside of
the country? I was in Aruba earlier this year and found a gas station
convenient store fully stocked with shelves of R-12. It is not a buck
a can like the good ole days. Still I think it will be a commodity in
demand if someone can get it in the country. It is $5 and change a can
and made in Singapore.



you would have a better chance of getting cocaine into the country




And probably spend less time in Club Fed if caught. The funny part in
this saga is that the Chinese now manufacture millions of tons of R-12
and other CFC the enviros go nuts over, but no one really says much
about it.


Care to provide some evidence to this fact? Millions of tons of R-12?
For what? All Chinese automobiles are foreign license assembled in
China. None are using R-12 in the same way they, or any other third
world country for that matter, don't need massive investment in land
lines but rather leap frog to cell phones.


Su

http://tinyurl.com/dp8ta

This is data from '02, so you'll need to double or triple the numbers
for '05 given the crazy economic growth rate in the PRC. It shows the
Chinese use hundreds of thousands of tons of CFCs for blow agents,
refrigerants, and fire protection agents. Much of it is produced on
equipment we sold them after the production of these products was banned
in the U.S.

Yes, they've signed treaties saying they will stop using CFCs, so what?
They will undoubtedly be ignored -- just look at how poorly they enforce
anti-piracy laws for IP and entertainment media. The PRC does what it
wants, and enviros who dare to protest over there are summarily jailed.

We have gone through the Silent Spring in the 60's ourselves. You
cannot just decree the like of poor and developing countries to do
things our way. Although we came a very long way. I guess they have
to knock their heads black and blue also to know better. At this point
in time, much of what the developed countries told them they'll take it
as if we are pulling their legs.

The other side of the coin is perhaps some old technologies were used
there precisely because they are banned in the developed countries and
newer, better ones subject to more stringent environmental regulations
are much more expensive. What's available and currently in use even in
this country will be deemed harmful to the environment when we know
better 5 or 10 years from now. So it is natural to hand them down to
areas where regulations do not exist or less stringent.

And finally, are we not enjoying the fruit of the cheap labor and lower
cost but polluting technolgies as we speak? Look at Home Depot, Lowes,
Wal-Mart, with shelves upon shelves of product mand in China. When was
the last time you relented and bought a $120 snap-on tool instead of a
$10 knock off made in China? Can you say you always choose the
expensive alternative of domestic manufacture? Even if you do are you
sure the parts inside are not made with processes which cause the ozone
layer to get bigger and bigger? I know I am guilty on every count.

"yaofeng" wrote in message
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HeyBub wrote:
bubba wrote:
what is the best current replacement for diazinon or dursban?

has anyone tried the various replacements sold at Home Depot, Lowes,
etc.?
can you recommend any that work as good as the banned ones, i.e.
keeping ants, termites, roaches out of yard for 3 months?

There are foreign firms that will ship DDT labeled as "Plaster of Paris."

It is surprisingly cheap.

Speaking of which, do you know you can still get R-12 freon outside of
the country? I was in Aruba earlier this year and found a gas station
convenient store fully stocked with shelves of R-12. It is not a buck
a can like the good ole days. Still I think it will be a commodity in
demand if someone can get it in the country. It is $5 and change a can
and made in Singapore.


Yea...so what? you can get 30lb cans in Mexico for about $25.
Its illegal to bring it in...

Oh...with the proper licence you can still buy R12 in cans here in the
states...but the question is WHY?
FR12 is cheaper....works just as well.

replying to yaofeng, Yam wrote:
buck
Please do not be surprised. R-12 is popular and will be except the USA and EU

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replying to spamTHISbrp, Lloyd wrote:
" 1:1 mixture of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and
2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid
"1:1 mixture of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and
2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid " 1:1 mixture of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic
acid (2,4-D) and 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid"

This is also called Agent Orange and was used to defoliate trees in Vietnam to
make the enemy easier to find. Agent orange is a combination of 2 herbicides,
not insecticides. 2,4,D is still in use. 2,4,5,T is ban and causes birth
defects in children. 2,4,5 T contains 2,3,7,8 dioxin - a contaminate made
during the manufacturing process - that is very dangerous.

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On 5/22/2018 11:14 PM, Lloyd wrote:
replying to spamTHISbrp, Lloyd wrote:
" 1:1 mixture of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and
2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid "1:1 mixture of
2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and
2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid " 1:1 mixture of
2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic
acid (2,4-D) and 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid"
This is also called Agent Orange and was used to defoliate trees in
Vietnam to
make the enemy easier to find.Â* Agent orange is a combination of 2
herbicides,
not insecticides.Â* 2,4,D is still in use.Â* 2,4,5,T is ban and causes birth
defects in children.Â* 2,4,5 T contains 2,3,7,8 dioxin - a contaminate made
during the manufacturing process - that is very dangerous.


Diazinone is for bugs. The other stuff is a herbicide.

On Thursday, December 1, 2005 at 4:56:13 PM UTC-5, wrote:
1:1 mixture of 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) and
2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid
D
You know, both compounds are herbicdes - NOT insecticides.
They are "pesticides" (ie weeds are pests too) just not insecticides.