This isn't a troll post, and yes, it's OT. But, this is a compliment to
this NG, because out of all the NG's I had subscribed to, this is one of the
few I haven't unsubscribed. It's because this NG is filled with everyday
people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my answer.

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past year (7
applications for different positions). I've finally got something back from
them, to take a physical ability test (PAT). One of the events requires the
candidate to DRAG an adult size rescue dummy for twenty-four feet. Any part
of the rescue dummy's body may be used for the drag. However, the rescue
dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete
the drag. This is a timed completion event and to pass candidates are
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!

"Dacore" wrote in message
...
This isn't a troll post, and yes, it's OT. But, this is a compliment to
this NG, because out of all the NG's I had subscribed to, this is one of
the
few I haven't unsubscribed. It's because this NG is filled with everyday
people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my answer.

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past year (7
applications for different positions). I've finally got something back
from
them, to take a physical ability test (PAT). One of the events requires
the
candidate to DRAG an adult size rescue dummy for twenty-four feet. Any
part
of the rescue dummy's body may be used for the drag. However, the rescue
dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete
the drag. This is a timed completion event and to pass candidates are
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!


Strange rules and a very light Dummy.

Probably stand between the legs, grab it by the ankles and pull. But the
legs may be too short and a real person might smack their head.

If you've got an understanding wife or girlfriend you might try it out.

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:59:24 GMT, "Dacore" wrote:

people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my answer.

alt.law.enforcement

Or ask your local fire house.

"My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland
and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore
excused from saving Universes."

just walk through a Walmart store to see how unrealistic is the
weight of the dummy.


"Dacore" wrote in message
...
This isn't a troll post, and yes, it's OT. But, this is a compliment to
this NG, because out of all the NG's I had subscribed to, this is one of
the
few I haven't unsubscribed. It's because this NG is filled with everyday
people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my answer.

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past year (7
applications for different positions). I've finally got something back
from
them, to take a physical ability test (PAT). One of the events requires
the
candidate to DRAG an adult size rescue dummy for twenty-four feet. Any
part
of the rescue dummy's body may be used for the drag. However, the rescue
dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete
the drag. This is a timed completion event and to pass candidates are
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!

Dacore, 9/24/2005,
,2:59:24
PM, wrote:

This isn't a troll post, and yes, it's OT. But, this is a compliment
to this NG, because out of all the NG's I had subscribed to, this is
one of the few I haven't unsubscribed. It's because this NG is filled
with everyday people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides
that, I don't know what other NG I would ask, and I've searched
Google, but can't find my answer.

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past
year (7 applications for different positions). I've finally got
something back from them, to take a physical ability test (PAT). One
of the events requires the candidate to DRAG an adult size rescue
dummy for twenty-four feet. Any part of the rescue dummy's body may
be used for the drag. However, the rescue dummy is NOT to be picked
up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or carried. Also, candidates
are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete the drag. This is a
timed completion event and to pass candidates are required to
complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100
lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!

The idea about standing between the legs facing away and grabbing the
ankles is my first choice. Or stand at the head area and facing away,
grab the hands or wrists and start pulling them behind you.

--
No matter what happens someone will find a way to take it too seriously.

clipped
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!



http://www.ocipep.gc.ca/info_pro/sel...basi_e.asp#771

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past
year (7 applications for different positions). I've finally got
something back from them, to take a physical ability test (PAT).

Only the government could come up with such a ridiculous test. It seems
like a great way to filter out intelligent people who might question WHY one
can't use sensible methods (pick body up, drag backwards).

Just grab an apendage and run.

IMO, the Fireman's Carry is best.
Arms under the armpits, then grabbing the OPPOSITE wrists
of the person being taken out.
Practice it, you'll see what I mean.

JohnH wrote:


Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past
year (7 applications for different positions). I've finally got
something back from them, to take a physical ability test (PAT).

Only the government could come up with such a ridiculous test. It
seems like a great way to filter out intelligent people who might
question WHY one can't use sensible methods (pick body up, drag
backwards).

Just grab an apendage and run.

Dacore wrote:
This isn't a troll post, and yes, it's OT. But, this is a compliment to
this NG, because out of all the NG's I had subscribed to, this is one of the
few I haven't unsubscribed. It's because this NG is filled with everyday
people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my answer.

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past year (7
applications for different positions). I've finally got something back from
them, to take a physical ability test (PAT). One of the events requires the
candidate to DRAG an adult size rescue dummy for twenty-four feet. Any part
of the rescue dummy's body may be used for the drag. However, the rescue
dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete
the drag. This is a timed completion event and to pass candidates are
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!




You will want to ask this question in alt.firefighters. That evolution
is part of the Candidate Physical Aptitude Test or CPAT.
--
Tom Horne

Well we aren't no thin blue heroes and yet we aren't no blackguards to.
We're just working men and woman most remarkable like you.

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:59:24 GMT, "Dacore" wrote:

This isn't a troll post, and yes, it's OT. But, this is a compliment to
this NG, because out of all the NG's I had subscribed to, this is one of the
few I haven't unsubscribed. It's because this NG is filled with everyday
people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my answer.

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past year (7
applications for different positions). I've finally got something back from
them, to take a physical ability test (PAT). One of the events requires the
candidate to DRAG an adult size rescue dummy for twenty-four feet. Any part
of the rescue dummy's body may be used for the drag. However, the rescue
dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete
the drag. This is a timed completion event and to pass candidates are
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!

I don't know but at the bottom of my newsreader it says.

"Retrieved 7 bodies for alt.home. repair" ? I must be doing it right.

I would think dragging by feet face down would be worst - face scratching.

Then dragging by feet face up - head might bounce up and down on rocks.

I think I would prefer to be dragged by my arms, then my head would be off
the ground.

Suggest practicing all of the above on your wife. See which she prefers and
which gets you the quickest time.




"Dacore" wrote in message
This isn't a troll post, and yes, it's OT. But, this is a compliment to
this NG, because out of all the NG's I had subscribed to, this is one of
the
few I haven't unsubscribed. It's because this NG is filled with everyday
people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my answer.

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past year (7
applications for different positions). I've finally got something back
from
them, to take a physical ability test (PAT). One of the events requires
the
candidate to DRAG an adult size rescue dummy for twenty-four feet. Any
part
of the rescue dummy's body may be used for the drag. However, the rescue
dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete
the drag. This is a timed completion event and to pass candidates are
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!

However, the rescue dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates'
shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete
the drag.

These two requirements of the test are the hard part. Almost all of the
suggestions involve picking up the body or draging it backwards.

The only way I can see to do it is to either grab the either wrists or the
akles and drag. One of these ways may be better than the other.

Dragging the wife might also have added side learning benefits.
eg, leaning how to reset your own compound fractures, and head lacerations,
after she beats you senseless with a frying pan or pastry roller.



"Bill" wrote in message
...
I would think dragging by feet face down would be worst - face scratching.

Then dragging by feet face up - head might bounce up and down on rocks.

I think I would prefer to be dragged by my arms, then my head would be off
the ground.

Suggest practicing all of the above on your wife. See which she prefers
and
which gets you the quickest time.




"Dacore" wrote in message
This isn't a troll post, and yes, it's OT. But, this is a compliment to
this NG, because out of all the NG's I had subscribed to, this is one of
the
few I haven't unsubscribed. It's because this NG is filled with everyday
people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know
what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my
answer.

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past year
(7
applications for different positions). I've finally got something back
from
them, to take a physical ability test (PAT). One of the events requires
the
candidate to DRAG an adult size rescue dummy for twenty-four feet. Any
part
of the rescue dummy's body may be used for the drag. However, the rescue
dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to
complete
the drag. This is a timed completion event and to pass candidates are
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!

Norminn writes:
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.
http://www.ocipep.gc.ca/info_pro/sel...basi_e.asp#771

Note the only carry suitable is the fireman's crawl.
The OP stipulated that test said you could not go backwards.

of the rescue dummy's body may be used for the drag. However, the rescue
dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete

IF you are treating this as a rescue situation, those limits are kinda
crazy if you ask me.

The grab legs like a reverse wheelbarrow and run sounds the most
promising.

A straddle of the chest facing the dummy's head with hands under
shoulders and armpits seems like the least likely to damage a real
person.

Perhaps the "real" test is to see how you would treat the victim?



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Dacore wrote:
This isn't a troll post, and yes, it's OT. But, this is a compliment to
this NG, because out of all the NG's I had subscribed to, this is one of the
few I haven't unsubscribed. It's because this NG is filled with everyday
people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my answer.

Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past year (7
applications for different positions). I've finally got something back from
them, to take a physical ability test (PAT). One of the events requires the
candidate to DRAG an adult size rescue dummy for twenty-four feet. Any part
of the rescue dummy's body may be used for the drag. However, the rescue
dummy is NOT to be picked up, hoisted over candidates' shoulders, or
carried. Also, candidates are NOT permitted to walk backwards to complete
the drag. This is a timed completion event and to pass candidates are
required to complete the drag in eleven (11) seconds, dragging the dummy
completely past the "end" cone. The rescue dummy weighs approx. 100 lbs.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!



Not sure... I'd probably just tie something around the neck and tie the
other end to my 4x4 and give it a go.

ive dragged light bodies by grabbing one wrist and taking off walking
,there is less to get in your way that way. very heavy bodies i grag by
the ankles and take off,you can get the ankles in your armpits and the
feet lock in pretty good ... medium weigh bodies i grab both wrists and
take off because the head gets banged less. lucas

Yeah, well, if you can't go backwards, that's a tough one.
http://www.ithacafire2.org/pages/ppa.html


Michael Baugh wrote:

IMO, the Fireman's Carry is best.
Arms under the armpits, then grabbing the OPPOSITE wrists
of the person being taken out.
Practice it, you'll see what I mean.

JohnH wrote:


Here's the deal. I've been trying to get on with DOT for the past
year (7 applications for different positions). I've finally got
something back from them, to take a physical ability test (PAT).

Only the government could come up with such a ridiculous test. It
seems like a great way to filter out intelligent people who might
question WHY one can't use sensible methods (pick body up, drag
backwards).

Just grab an apendage and run.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:20:26 -0400, wrote:

On 25 Sep 2005 11:38:05 -0400, Philip Lewis
wrote:

Note the only carry suitable is the fireman's crawl.
The OP stipulated that test said you could not go backwards.

Since this "test" is so unrealistic it borders on a roadrunner
cartoon, I would show up with a meat hook. Snag the dummy under the
chin and run with it.
You could also loop your belt around the neck.

If this is a real person you would pronbaly want to drag backward so
you could be sure you are not making the injury worst. Best is on a
blanket or poncho.

If there is no compelling reason to move the person (fire, flood or
enemy attack) you should treat them where they are (start breathing,
stop bleeding) and call the paramedics who know what they are doing
(911).
They are teaching a bad practice in making you think moving a victim
is the first thing to do.

So, how would you drag the body?

Thanks!



Not sure... I'd probably just tie something around the neck and tie the
other end to my 4x4 and give it a go.

You've only got 11 seconds. I like the meathook idea.

wrote:
On 25 Sep 2005 11:38:05 -0400, Philip Lewis
wrote:

Note the only carry suitable is the fireman's crawl.
The OP stipulated that test said you could not go backwards.

Since this "test" is so unrealistic it borders on a roadrunner
cartoon, I would show up with a meat hook. Snag the dummy under the
chin and run with it.
You could also loop your belt around the neck.

Pull out a chain saw....

The test is part of the physical fitness evaluation of applicants. It
has nothing to do with real world rescue techniques. It is a standard
that allows the applicants physical fitness level to be compared with
other applicants. Period! Think it's easy? Try it. It is a hell of a
lot harder to drag something with your two arms extended behind your
body than it is to carry it or walk backwards pulling something with
your arms extended in front of your body.



z wrote:
wrote:

On 25 Sep 2005 11:38:05 -0400, Philip Lewis
wrote:


Note the only carry suitable is the fireman's crawl.
The OP stipulated that test said you could not go backwards.

Since this "test" is so unrealistic it borders on a roadrunner
cartoon, I would show up with a meat hook. Snag the dummy under the
chin and run with it.
You could also loop your belt around the neck.


Pull out a chain saw....

I agree your local firehouse should help

www.houserepairtalk.com


wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:59:24 GMT, "Dacore" wrote:

people, with knowledge of the real world. Besides that, I don't know what
other NG I would ask, and I've searched Google, but can't find my answer.

alt.law.enforcement

Or ask your local fire house.

"My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland
and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore
excused from saving Universes."