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Honest Abe writes
MAXLITE - LIARS SELLING GARBAGE AND CHEATING CONSUMERS!


Phillips CONMEN selling **** compact fluorescent lamps that DON'T LAST
as long as they SAY ON THE PACKAGING...... *******S!

LIGHTS OF AMERICA _****_ they're selling lamps that get all HOT and CRAP
OUT at just a few MONTHS use.... ********!!!!

Cheap CHINESE crappy DOLLAR STORE compact fluorescents!!! How are we
supposed to know the COLOUR TEMPERATURE data means they're all going to
be BLUEY WHITE. SLANTY EYED willow patterned RICE MUNCHERS!

Generic Electric Corp and their TWISTY long life LOW ENERGY compact
fluorescent lamps. UNTIL you put them in an ENCLOSED FIXTURE, when they
go BOOM and make a BAD SMELL. RAVING SPUNK MONKEYS!

They all BUZZ and take ages to LIGHT UP FULLY, then when you DIM them
they go FOOMP! And drip MOLTEN plastic onto your DINNER. What do these
MORONS think they're DOING!

Then the ones that do LAST a while go a bit DIM! Not like they EVER
were as BRIGHT as a 100W lamp IN THE FIRST PLACE! And they DON'T even
make my chandelier SPARKLE like the old lamps did.

And did I mention RADIO INTERFERENCE! How do they expect a TINY little
CHOKE the size of a resistor to STOP it! They might as well LEAVE IT
OUT and quite frankly the CHEAP ones DO!!!!

And as for that ACTIVE air PUMP for cooling the TRANSISTORS. It's JUST
a bunch of FRICKIN' holes in the CASE!

AMALGAM my ARSE! It's defective bits that make the RATTLING noise.

I could just SCREAM!!!!! AAAAAARGH!

--
Hysterical Bert.

It's the first time I've tried CFL's and quite frankly I'm a bit disappointed.

Clive Mitchell wrote:
In message
, Honest
Abe writes


Generic Electric Corp and their TWISTY long life LOW ENERGY compact
fluorescent lamps. UNTIL you put them in an ENCLOSED FIXTURE,

Well, don't put them in enclosed fixtures.

Actually I have about 6 of them in enclosed fixtures (I think they were
GE) and I have not have any problems with them and they are lasting at least
as long as the standard lamps they replaced. Did you notice if they
indicated that they could be used in an enclosed fixture?

when
they go BOOM and make a BAD SMELL. RAVING SPUNK MONKEYS!

They all BUZZ and take ages to LIGHT UP FULLY, then when you DIM them
they

I believe if you would have read the package, it would have said they
can not be used with standard dimmers or maybe no dimmers at all.

go FOOMP! And drip MOLTEN plastic onto your DINNER. What do these
MORONS think they're DOING!

You mean the moron you see in the mirror?


Then the ones that do LAST a while go a bit DIM! Not like they EVER
were as BRIGHT as a 100W lamp IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Mine are brighter.

And they DON'T even
make my chandelier SPARKLE like the old lamps did.

Well what do you know.


And did I mention RADIO INTERFERENCE! How do they expect a TINY
little CHOKE the size of a resistor to STOP it! They might as well
LEAVE IT OUT and quite frankly the CHEAP ones DO!!!!

I get no interference. Maybe it is that cheap radio you have. :-)


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

In sci.engr.lighting Honest Abe wrote:

| I'm fed up - and I'm using the old, reliable incandescent bulbs again.

Me, too. But not because I experienced the problem you had, but because
I just don't like the type of light they produce. I'm going for the low
voltage high color temperature halogens with a few incandescent lights at
line voltage to provide low color temperature mood lighting. Then I will
top that off with some LED lights run from DC with battery backup for
safety and emergency lighting in case the generator runs out of fuel.

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 wrote:

In sci.engr.lighting Honest Abe wrote:

| I'm fed up - and I'm using the old, reliable incandescent bulbs again.

Me, too. But not because I experienced the problem you had, but because
I just don't like the type of light they produce.

Same here. Yellowish-pink light just doesn't do it for me. You should hear
the zealots condescend, though! (you probably do...). They're almost as
bad as those sushi freaks who cannot understand the simple English
sentence "I do not like sushi".

I use them and have no complaints, many are better and color rendition
on new units is even better. But a few things, a facing down bulb can
overheat the circuits. Cycling shortens their life. And one thing you
didnt consider is how good , clean and stable is your AC, but of course
you dont know if you even have surges that can kill anything.
Quit yer bitchin they work if they are provided what they require. So
go back to incandesant, that are 75 % less efficient. Incandesant that
are actualy heaters as a 100 watt bulb only outputs 10 watts of light
the rest is heat upping your AC bill. Or go try a different brand.

In article , m Ransley wrote:
I use them and have no complaints, many are better and color rendition
on new units is even better. But a few things, a facing down bulb can
overheat the circuits. Cycling shortens their life. And one thing you
didnt consider is how good , clean and stable is your AC, but of course
you dont know if you even have surges that can kill anything.
Quit yer bitchin they work if they are provided what they require. So
go back to incandesant, that are 75 % less efficient. Incandesant that
are actualy heaters as a 100 watt bulb only outputs 10 watts of light
the rest is heat upping your AC bill. Or go try a different brand.

A 100 watt "standard" 120V incandescent by one of the "Big 3" brands
only produces roughly 6.7 watts of radiation in the 400-700 nm range,
which is the most common definition by wavelength of "visible light".

In a good case, you get the same amount of light (1710-1750 lumens) from
a 25 watt compact fluorescent. In a fairly bad case, you could dump 45
watts into compact fluorescents to get as much useful illumination as you
would from a 100 watt incandescent.

Now: It's been a couple years since I checked, but USA average
residential electricity cost is 10 cents per KWH. Save 55-75 watts, and
that's .55-.75 cent per hour. Most compact fluorescents actually achieve
3,000 or more hours of life unless abused/misused or are of brands that
draw a disproportionate share of complaints - same as four 750 hour
incandescents. Over 3,000 hours, .55 cent per hour is $16.50 - and most
compact fluorescents nowadays cost about half this or less than half this.
You can double your investment in a compact fluorescent over 3,000
operating hours even if incandescents cost nothing and last forever!

60 watt incandescents can be replaced by compact fluorescents of wattage
as low as 13 watts in a good case and 20 watts in a fairly bad case.
Savings of 40 watts can double an initial purchase of about $6 in 3,000
operating hours even if incandescents cost nothing and last forever!

Savings are greater in areas where electricity costs more - NYC,
Philadelphia, and Chicago.

If a lightbulb is operated only 2 hours per day, 3,000 operating hours
is achieved in a bit less than 4.5 years. Doubling money in that amount
of time requires an annual rate of total return of about 16.65%, and no
mutual fund achieves this reliably unless a bull market is in progress!

- Don Klipstein , http://www.misty.com/~don/cfx.html)

In message , Zak
writes
Spirals seem to be a US thing. You rarely see them in europe.

Nah, they're available in the UK too, but not as popular as the straight
tube versions due to their extra expense.

--
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com