I'm looking for a window or wall air conditioner that can also be used as
stand alone dehumidifier when I don't need cooling. I presently own a
portable floor standing dehumidifier that works fine but it dumps hot air
into the family room while it's dehumidifying & it's bucket has to be
manually dumped when full. (It's in a basement family room so running a
drain hose would look terrible)
I realize that all ac units will dehumidify but they only cycle on/off based
on temperature...not humidity level.

"Dick" wrote in message
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I'm looking for a window or wall air conditioner that can also be used as
stand alone dehumidifier when I don't need cooling. I presently own a
portable floor standing dehumidifier that works fine but it dumps hot air
into the family room while it's dehumidifying & it's bucket has to be
manually dumped when full.

It is not dumping any heat into the room that was not alaready there. It
cools the air, extracts the moisture, then re-heats it to where it was
before. Only added heat is from the motor driving the unit, very minimal.


(It's in a basement family room so running a
drain hose would look terrible)

You can buy a small pumpt that goes into the su mp and a smal line r ns out
a drain, window, whatever. Easy to do yourself and does not look all that
bad if done in a corner or painted to match the wall.



I realize that all ac units will dehumidify but they only cycle on/off
based on temperature...not humidity level.

I've never seen what you are looking for. You'd have to divert the air back
to the room, just like your dehumidifier. If not, you'd be cooling the room
and then paying to heat it. I've seen setups in industrial situations where
the AC and the heat are run at the same time to control humidity in critical
operations.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Dick" wrote
I presently own a portable floor standing dehumidifier that
works fine but it dumps hot air into the family room while
it's dehumidifying

It is not dumping any heat into the room that was not alaready
there. It cools the air, extracts the moisture, then re-heats
it to where it was before. Only added heat is from the motor
driving the unit, very minimal.

But the motor heat is not minimal, and the dehumidifier also adds
1000 Btu of heat to the room for every pint of water extracted.

I realize that all ac units will dehumidify but they only cycle
on/off based on temperature...not humidity level.

Setting the temperature low and blocking some airflow might help.
You might add a humidistat.

Or automatically ventilate the basement when outdoor air is drier
than indoor air. This can warm or cool the basement as needed, and
dehumidify with 100X less energy than a compressor.

Finding the moisture source (eg air leakage or an unpainted slab)
and reducing it would also help.

Nick

Obviously Nick doesnt own a house or have a basement because here he
goes again with his 100x more energy to run a compressor crap. FYI Nicko
My 700 sq ft basement is dehumidified to 45- 50% all summer for 3.50 a
month verified with a Kill- A- Watt. Running a 200 watt vent fan just
does not do it, I tried, but you never have tried nick. Running a 200 w
fan just 12hrs a day would cost me 9$ a month so my dehumidifier is more
than half the cost of trying to pull in fresh air. You forgot one little
fact nicko in summer outside air is humid. Go live in a house and try
your theories for once nick.

m Ransley wrote:

Obviously Nick doesnt own a house...

Wrong again. I've owned several.

or have a basement...

With basements. You are a _presumptive_ little ignorant worm :-)

here he goes again with his 100x more energy to run a compressor...

Simple physics. You might try it sometime :-)

My 700 sq ft basement is dehumidified to 45- 50% all summer for
3.50 a month verified with a Kill- A- Watt.

Congrats. That isn't much dehumidification, but if you didn't live next
to a lake, you might do it for 3.5 cents a month with a 90 W 2470 cfm
fan that automatically turns on when outdoor air is drier.

Nick

Nickavecmerde you just pull irrelevant BS numbers out your ass with your
calculator , you have no hands on , no real experience , nothing to back
you up but fantasies of an idiot , you just make up BS theories that
don`t reflect actual situations for most. Your "humidification wastes
energy' " Flood your basement floor for free humidity" " I put a
humidistat on my steam radiator for humidity" posts prove you are an
idiot that continues to post irrelevant, misleading , wrong info. You
are like a bad computer program Garbage in-Garbage out.

Not to jump into the middle of a ripping flame war, but I have a question.

Assuming the nighttime humidity is low and the daytime humidity is high. If
you use ventilation to bring in the lower humidity air only at night, will
that indoor humidity stay low during the day or will it rise back up by
noon?


"nick pine" wrote in message
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m Ransley wrote:

Obviously Nick doesnt own a house...

Wrong again. I've owned several.

or have a basement...

With basements. You are a _presumptive_ little ignorant worm :-)

here he goes again with his 100x more energy to run a compressor...

Simple physics. You might try it sometime :-)

My 700 sq ft basement is dehumidified to 45- 50% all summer for
3.50 a month verified with a Kill- A- Watt.

Congrats. That isn't much dehumidification, but if you didn't live next
to a lake, you might do it for 3.5 cents a month with a 90 W 2470 cfm
fan that automatically turns on when outdoor air is drier.

Nick

And the compressor which draws 600 watts or so. I'd call that dumping heat.

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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
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works fine but it dumps hot air
into the family room while it's dehumidifying & it's bucket has to be
manually dumped when full.

It is not dumping any heat into the room that was not alaready there. It
cools the air, extracts the moisture, then re-heats it to where it was
before. Only added heat is from the motor driving the unit, very minimal.

"Dick" wrote in message
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I'm looking for a window or wall air conditioner that can also be used as
stand alone dehumidifier when I don't need cooling. I presently own a
portable floor standing dehumidifier that works fine but it dumps hot air
into the family room while it's dehumidifying & it's bucket has to be
manually dumped when full. (It's in a basement family room so running a
drain hose would look terrible)
I realize that all ac units will dehumidify but they only cycle on/off
based
on temperature...not humidity level.



What you are asking for..they are really the same.
A dehumidifier IS a small AC, only the heat that is removed is put back into
the air.

Now, Mitsubishi Mr Slim units offer a dehumidifiy mode. They also use
electric strips to temper the air temp.

There are thermostats that double as humidistats...what do you really want
to do?

What I want to do (I thought I was clear) is dehumidify my basement family
room (It's a split entry ranch so it has normal windows in the basemement)
without adding more heat down there & without having to empty buckets. It
seems to me someone used to sell a window air conditioner with a humidifying
setting for when you really didn't need cooling. (Most ac units I have seen
wont even cycle on (regardless of the humidity level) much below 65 degrees)
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"Dick" wrote in message
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I'm looking for a window or wall air conditioner that can also be used as
stand alone dehumidifier when I don't need cooling. I presently own a
portable floor standing dehumidifier that works fine but it dumps hot air
into the family room while it's dehumidifying & it's bucket has to be
manually dumped when full. (It's in a basement family room so running a
drain hose would look terrible)
I realize that all ac units will dehumidify but they only cycle on/off
based
on temperature...not humidity level.



What you are asking for..they are really the same.
A dehumidifier IS a small AC, only the heat that is removed is put back
into
the air.

Now, Mitsubishi Mr Slim units offer a dehumidifiy mode. They also use
electric strips to temper the air temp.

There are thermostats that double as humidistats...what do you really want
to do?

Never seen such a doodad. But, it sure makes sense.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"Dick" wrote in message
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I'm looking for a window or wall air conditioner that can also be used as
stand alone dehumidifier when I don't need cooling. I presently own a
portable floor standing dehumidifier that works fine but it dumps hot air
into the family room while it's dehumidifying & it's bucket has to be
manually dumped when full. (It's in a basement family room so running a
drain hose would look terrible)
I realize that all ac units will dehumidify but they only cycle on/off based
on temperature...not humidity level.

The only way to dehumidify and not cool and not heat is to add reheat
to a standard ac unit. works good but very expensive to operate.
Normal ac does 80 percent cooling, 20 percent moisture removal.
Thermastor makes high efficiency dehumidifiers, but they are not cheap
and still add some heat back into room. Some models include a pump to
get rid of condensate. What you want would have to be custom made,
very expensive. Thermastor is 1-800-533-7533. Great product, they
make ducted models also. The only thing I have ever seen like what you
want is an indoor swimming pool dehumidifier. has built in condensor
for hot gas reheat plus outside condensor coil. It can switch between
dehumidifier and ac modes. Commercial units. Try Dectron. Wait till
you see the price on THAT!

Stretch

Is it an old dehumidifier new Energy Star labeled units are 2 times more
efficient and produce much less heat . I enjoy the extra heat as my
basenent is completely underground and cool. I only notice 2-3 degree
increase. You could use a condensate pump or raise the unit up higher
for auto draining. If you have forced air adding a closeable basement
return and supply would give you flexibility in moving conditioned air
in and hot air out. Or both window AC and dehumidifier. Changing to
flourescent lights will help as a 100 watt incandesant really puts out
90 watts or so, of heat.