We have a crack in the floor of our garage leaking fluid. It's new
construction, in floor heating and the plumber says four pipes froze
and broke open. We've had problems with the boiler since the fall
(leaking in the furnace room). Builder now says that was condensation
from the chimney and was fixed (we traced it to the boiler with the
plumber). The house originally had a 5 car garage and the builder
converted one 2 car garage into an office for us. The sensor is in the
office not the new garage portion (everyone overlooked this during the
renovation). We did forget to close the garage door a few times in
extremely cold conditions (possibly as low as -40 once). 2 pumps also
had to be replaced in the boiler. Builder pointed out the sensor
problem but lays the blame for the pipe freeze on us (and says that
was also responsible for the boiler pumps having to be replaced). The
builder has a very good reputation but he's also relying on the
plumber (whom he uses alot and trusts). Only other plumbing anomaly
has been master bathroom cold taps often given warm/hot water
intermittently instead of cold (in floor heating). I'm prepared to
accept that we caused this by leaving the one garage door open a few
times if the explanation seems plausible to the experts...just looking
for some opinions.

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We did forget to close the garage door a few times in
extremely cold conditions (possibly as low as -40 once). 2 pumps also
had to be replaced in the boiler. Builder pointed out the sensor
problem but lays the blame for the pipe freeze on us (and says that
was also responsible for the boiler pumps having to be replaced). The
builder has a very good reputation but he's also relying on the
plumber (whom he uses alot and trusts).

Yes, this was absolutely caused by you when you left the garage
door open. But the builder should never have delivered to you
a system that can have major damage from something this simple.
All they would have had to do was zone off the garage and put
in a second thermostat. Yes, you would have spent some $$ heating
the great outdoors when you left the door open, but since there
would have been hot water running though the system, it would
not have frozen an subsequently broke. The builder might argue
that this happened because you asked for the design change by
converting some of the garage into living space. Well, the
builder accepted your change, so he accepted the consequences.

-john-

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wrote:

We have a crack in the floor of our garage leaking fluid. It's new
construction, in floor heating and the plumber says four pipes froze
and broke open. We've had problems with the boiler since the fall
(leaking in the furnace room). Builder now says that was condensation
from the chimney and was fixed (we traced it to the boiler with the
plumber). The house originally had a 5 car garage and the builder
converted one 2 car garage into an office for us. The sensor is in the
office not the new garage portion (everyone overlooked this during the
renovation). We did forget to close the garage door a few times in
extremely cold conditions (possibly as low as -40 once). 2 pumps also
had to be replaced in the boiler. Builder pointed out the sensor
problem but lays the blame for the pipe freeze on us (and says that
was also responsible for the boiler pumps having to be replaced). The
builder has a very good reputation but he's also relying on the
plumber (whom he uses alot and trusts). Only other plumbing anomaly
has been master bathroom cold taps often given warm/hot water
intermittently instead of cold (in floor heating). I'm prepared to
accept that we caused this by leaving the one garage door open a few
times if the explanation seems plausible to the experts...just looking
for some opinions.

Your subject says you are looking for professional advise, but you never
actually ask a question, nor did you indicate what profession you have
in mind. At any rate, professionals don't work for free. I don't know
what your question is, or what you hope to achieve, but I suggest you
talk with a qualified professional if professional advise is what you
seek. If you are having a dispute with the builder, contact an attorney.

Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:33:49 -0500 from Shawn Hirn :
Your subject says you are looking for professional advise,...
if professional advise is what you seek.

I can't stand it! This is like fingernails on a blackboard to me.

The thing is advice, with a c. The action is to advise, with an s.



(Don't get me started on "loose" and "lose.)

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Mar 4, 3:03*pm, wrote:
We have a crack in the floor of our garage leaking fluid. It's new
construction, in floor heating and the plumber says four pipes froze
and broke open. We've had problems with the boiler since the fall
(leaking in the furnace room). Builder now says that was condensation
from the chimney and was fixed (we traced it to the boiler with the
plumber). The house originally had a 5 car garage and the builder
converted one 2 car garage into an office for us. The sensor is in the
office not the new garage portion (everyone overlooked this during the
renovation). We did forget to close the garage door a few times in
extremely cold conditions (possibly as low as -40 once). 2 pumps also
had to be replaced in the boiler. Builder pointed out the sensor
problem but lays the blame for the pipe freeze on us (and says that
was also responsible for the boiler pumps having to be replaced). The
builder has a very good reputation but he's also relying on the
plumber (whom he uses alot and trusts). Only other plumbing anomaly
has been master bathroom cold taps often given warm/hot water
intermittently instead of cold (in floor heating). I'm prepared to
accept that we caused this by leaving the one garage door open a few
times if the explanation seems plausible to the experts...just looking
for some opinions.

Sorry im no pro, but Id say you had a poor design and install. The
pipes broke in the garage because you left the door open!, thats BS,
one day, many times as the house ages, the door will break in the open
position, a spring, blown fuse, defective opener, have all happened to
me many times, even snow will keep my door from closing once in a
while. To have designed a system that will cost thousands to fix from
' the door open" was plain old negligence-A Hack Job. You blew pumps
too! Why, Low water? Was Boiler damaged or overheated? Is Auto Fill on
pouring out heated water? Condensation of Chimney? Sounds like BS
again if it was, its a Defective design - poor install. All that makup
water could screw up the boiler with scale and ruin it if Auto Fill
runs at 180+. The Plumber, is he a lisenced Heating Contractor with
experiance? I dought it or the Hack job you got would not have been
done, either way new means you have a warranty. I would not sit for
that work or you will be fixing this mess again and again and you will
have to disclose it when you sell, at a big loss. Contact the Boiler
manufacturer, the city inspector head about why the crap job was
approved, and a few other Real heating pros for Bids and advise on a
full remedy and inspection. Post at alt.home.repair and www.HeatingHelp.com
"The Wall" for real pros answers, now I think you are being suckered
by your builder, Mr Hackboy Builders and Hacksons Plumbing [and heat
sometimes too]

On Mar 4, 3:03*pm, wrote:
We have a crack in the floor of our garage leaking fluid. It's new
construction, in floor heating and the plumber says four pipes froze
and broke open. We've had problems with the boiler since the fall
(leaking in the furnace room). Builder now says that was condensation
from the chimney and was fixed (we traced it to the boiler with the
plumber). The house originally had a 5 car garage and the builder
converted one 2 car garage into an office for us. The sensor is in the
office not the new garage portion (everyone overlooked this during the
renovation). We did forget to close the garage door a few times in
extremely cold conditions (possibly as low as -40 once). 2 pumps also
had to be replaced in the boiler. Builder pointed out the sensor
problem but lays the blame for the pipe freeze on us (and says that
was also responsible for the boiler pumps having to be replaced). The
builder has a very good reputation but he's also relying on the
plumber (whom he uses alot and trusts). Only other plumbing anomaly
has been master bathroom cold taps often given warm/hot water
intermittently instead of cold (in floor heating). I'm prepared to
accept that we caused this by leaving the one garage door open a few
times if the explanation seems plausible to the experts...just looking
for some opinions.

You say a sink sometimes gives warm out of cold taps. You are honestly
looking at many issues of incompetance in design that likely go far
beyond what you see and know now. You need everything inspected from
the top down. Your "Good Builder" is what I see not a good builder.
How did the heating inspector pass off this crap as acceptable?,
Answer, he made a mistake.

On Mar 6, 9:04*am, ransley wrote:
On Mar 4, 3:03*pm, wrote:





We have a crack in the floor of our garage leaking fluid. It's new
construction, in floor heating and the plumber says four pipes froze
and broke open. We've had problems with the boiler since the fall
(leaking in the furnace room). Builder now says that was condensation
from the chimney and was fixed (we traced it to the boiler with the
plumber). The house originally had a 5 car garage and the builder
converted one 2 car garage into an office for us. The sensor is in the
office not the new garage portion (everyone overlooked this during the
renovation). We did forget to close the garage door a few times in
extremely cold conditions (possibly as low as -40 once). 2 pumps also
had to be replaced in the boiler. Builder pointed out the sensor
problem but lays the blame for the pipe freeze on us (and says that
was also responsible for the boiler pumps having to be replaced). The
builder has a very good reputation but he's also relying on the
plumber (whom he uses alot and trusts). Only other plumbing anomaly
has been master bathroom cold taps often given warm/hot water
intermittently instead of cold (in floor heating). I'm prepared to
accept that we caused this by leaving the one garage door open a few
times if the explanation seems plausible to the experts...just looking
for some opinions.

You say a sink sometimes gives warm out of cold taps. You are honestly
looking at many issues of incompetance in design that likely go far
beyond what you see and know now. You need everything inspected from
the top down. Your "Good Builder" is what I see not a good builder.
How did the heating inspector pass off this crap as acceptable?,
Answer, he made a mistake.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I can see from the non response of the op they are idiots being
suckered