1. If you want to buy yourself long hours of techno frustration,
troubleshooting and 30 year old, increasingly obscelescent technology,
then you should consider buying X10 products.

2. One simple purchase or inquiry with X10.com will get you a ongoing
barrage of "email sale offers" that will clog your inbox, and prove
difficult to stop.

3. A common joke among insiders at the company is the frequent
malfunctioning of equipment during staff product familiarization
classes

4. The so called "urgent sales" at X10.com are clearly constant
rehashes of the
same offers over and over again. In fact, there has been a trend in the
last few months to remove components and features from the kits they
offer while slowly increasing the price. Look carefully at the
advertising they do. Why do you think they stopped showing the
components that come with the kits a few months back? So you wouldn't
know you were getting less than ever for you money! If you must
purchase an X10 product, you would serve yourself much better just
waiting until they realize nobody is going to buy their product at such
inflated
prices and they are forced to adjust what they charge (in the meantime,
you can always pick up stuff on ebay at bargain rates from when they
were still selling at very low prices (during their "so called"
bankruptcy)

5. After being penalized for swindling two young inventors from
California out of their ideas, and being ordered by a Califormia court
to pay for this behaviour, X10 appears to have quickly declared
bankruptcy to avoid
paying for what they had done.
(http://news.com.com/2100-1014-5095260.html) Insiders tell me that, lo
and behold, now that they have successfully shirked the penalty (and
responsibility to all of their creditors) they have emerged from
bankruptcy and are miraculously turning a profit again. The sleaze
factor is high at this company. Do you really want to trade with these
people?

6. what's the hurry? In spite of the frenzy of their online advertising
- the sales never go away. All of their stuff is always available.
Their advertising strategy is clearly of the "impulse buy" sort. But
the simple fact of the matter is: THERE IS NO URGENCY. Do you want to
be manipulated that easily? Stop and think about what you're getting
yourself into.

7. Read through the hype. What are you actually getting when you buy
from them? Cheap plastic cameras with crummy resolution.
"Motion-sensors" that are in fact "heat sensors", which means that
under extreme temperature conditions (say, for instance, the dead of
winter, or the dog days of summer) the reliability of these vital
components is suspect, at best.

8. "Wireless" technology that needs to be plugged in (????) They call
their products "wireless" because the cameras are not
connected directly to the monitors. Signals are "transmitted" through a
buggy sytem of home electrical wiring and old timey remote control
signals. BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PLUG THE DAMN THINGS IN SOMEWHERE.
Believe me, you'll be tangled up in just as many wires as with any
other electrical appliance you own.

9. Futuristic Home Automation? If you consider turning on a light
with a remote control "futuristic", then have at it! The "advanced"
features of their vaunted Home Automation Software (ActiveHome) amounts
to little more than turning on more than one light at a time via remote
control (or buggy motion sensor, or clunky macro). Whoopie.

10. Constant battery changing: Have fun traipsing from one motion
sensor to the next on a regular basis changing out the batteries!

Bonus item #11: Perverts beware! X10 first rose to web fame a few years
ago with ubiquitous pop-up ads that seemed to promise to capability of
spying on scantily clad women. Ummm. How's that? If you like looking at
girls on blurry monitors with a camera you've somehow managed to
sneak
into their rooms to plug in, then maybe that offer makes sense.
Otherwise, find some other way to get your kicks!



In all seriousness. Do yourself a favor and ask whether you really need
to buy yourself an expensive box of frustration. If you want a fun
project, buy yourself a Heath Kit instead.

In article . com,
wrote:

1. If you want to buy yourself long hours of techno frustration,
troubleshooting and 30 year old, increasingly obscelescent technology,
then you should consider buying X10 products.

I have used X-10 equipment for many years. I have been nothing
but happy with the reliability, functionality, and convenience
of the system.

4. The so called "urgent sales" at X10.com

If you don't like that vendor, then find another one. I like
to buy from Radio Shack. If I have a problem, I can drive 2
miles and take the stuff back.

8. "Wireless" technology that needs to be plugged in (????) They call
their products "wireless" because the cameras are not
connected directly to the monitors. Signals are "transmitted" through a
buggy sytem of home electrical wiring and old timey remote control
signals. BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PLUG THE DAMN THINGS IN SOMEWHERE.
Believe me, you'll be tangled up in just as many wires as with any
other electrical appliance you own.

Carrier-current technology is an old technology. It is still
around because it works, it and it is inexpensive. You don't
have any propagation problems, interference from other systems,
or neighbors attaching to your system. More importantly, you
don't have hackers getting into the system. Finally, the
standard AC line cord is something that just about everyone
understands. There is no Wi-Fi, 802.x, ethernet, or coax
to worry about. Remember, X-10 predates all this stuff by
at least 10 years.

10. Constant battery changing: Have fun traipsing from one motion
sensor to the next on a regular basis changing out the batteries!

None of the X-10 stuff that I have requires a battery.

-john-

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On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:38:13 -0800, technoqiz wrote:

1. If you want to buy yourself long hours of techno frustration,
troubleshooting and 30 year old, increasingly obscelescent technology,
then you should consider buying X10 products.

Yep, I've had X10 products for almost 30 years. Guess what? They
still work.

2. One simple purchase or inquiry with X10.com will get you a ongoing
barrage of "email sale offers" that will clog your inbox, and prove
difficult to stop.

This is true. Deal with SmartHome or Leviton if you don't like
spam-o-the-day x10.com.

3. A common joke among insiders at the company is the frequent
malfunctioning of equipment during staff product familiarization
classes

I wonder why I've never had such problems in 30 years. Buy Leviton if you
don' tlike X10's products. ...or don't buy at all.

4. The so called "urgent sales" at X10.com are clearly constant
rehashes of the
same offers over and over again. In fact, there has been a trend in the
last few months to remove components and features from the kits they
offer while slowly increasing the price. Look carefully at the
advertising they do. Why do you think they stopped showing the
components that come with the kits a few months back? So you wouldn't
know you were getting less than ever for you money! If you must
purchase an X10 product, you would serve yourself much better just
waiting until they realize nobody is going to buy their product at such
inflated
prices and they are forced to adjust what they charge (in the meantime,
you can always pick up stuff on ebay at bargain rates from when they
were still selling at very low prices (during their "so called"
bankruptcy)

So what? Do you buy Viagra and penis enlargers form spammers? DO you
feel compelled to buy?

5. After being penalized for swindling two young inventors from
California out of their ideas, and being ordered by a Califormia court
to pay for this behaviour, X10 appears to have quickly declared
bankruptcy to avoid
paying for what they had done.
(http://news.com.com/2100-1014-5095260.html) Insiders tell me that, lo
and behold, now that they have successfully shirked the penalty (and
responsibility to all of their creditors) they have emerged from
bankruptcy and are miraculously turning a profit again. The sleaze
factor is high at this company. Do you really want to trade with these
people?

....and I thought people here didn't like the laws trying to limit
bankruptcy.

6. what's the hurry? In spite of the frenzy of their online advertising
- the sales never go away. All of their stuff is always available. Their
advertising strategy is clearly of the "impulse buy" sort. But the
simple fact of the matter is: THERE IS NO URGENCY. Do you want to be
manipulated that easily? Stop and think about what you're getting
yourself into.

You've made that point a number of times.

7. Read through the hype. What are you actually getting when you buy
from them? Cheap plastic cameras with crummy resolution.
"Motion-sensors" that are in fact "heat sensors", which means that under
extreme temperature conditions (say, for instance, the dead of winter,
or the dog days of summer) the reliability of these vital components is
suspect, at best.

All "motion sensors" are heat (infra-red) sensors. So what?!

8. "Wireless" technology that needs to be plugged in (????) They call
their products "wireless" because the cameras are not connected directly
to the monitors. Signals are "transmitted" through a buggy sytem of home
electrical wiring and old timey remote control signals. BUT YOU STILL
HAVE TO PLUG THE DAMN THINGS IN SOMEWHERE. Believe me, you'll be tangled
up in just as many wires as with any other electrical appliance you own.

Gee, I have a "wireless mouse" but have to plug in the computer and mouse
base station. How *DARE* Logitech lie like this.

9. Futuristic Home Automation? If you consider turning on a light with a
remote control "futuristic", then have at it! The "advanced" features of
their vaunted Home Automation Software (ActiveHome) amounts to little
more than turning on more than one light at a time via remote control
(or buggy motion sensor, or clunky macro). Whoopie.

Whoopie! You don't like remote control. Is anyone forcing you to buy it?

10. Constant battery changing: Have fun traipsing from one motion sensor
to the next on a regular basis changing out the batteries!

Wait a minute. You just said they have to be plugged in. Batteries or
or AC, pick your poison.

Bonus item #11: Perverts beware! X10 first rose to web fame a few years
ago with ubiquitous pop-up ads that seemed to promise to capability of
spying on scantily clad women. Ummm. How's that? If you like looking at
girls on blurry monitors with a camera you've somehow managed to sneak
into their rooms to plug in, then maybe that offer makes sense.
Otherwise, find some other way to get your kicks!

....like ranting on the Usenet about X10?

In all seriousness. Do yourself a favor and ask whether you really need
to buy yourself an expensive box of frustration. If you want a fun
project, buy yourself a Heath Kit instead.

In all seriousness, did X10 just fire you?

--
Keith