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property line dispute
Does anyoneknow how to find their property line iwthout a surveyor? We
bought a metal detector, however everything in our backyard seems to be made of metal so it is really useless right about now. I have the measurments, but i have no idea how to really find a starting point to go buy. We have new neighbors who seem to think their propery is ours.. but we have no way to prove it. help if you can.. please -eric |
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In article .com,
wrote: Does anyoneknow how to find their property line iwthout a surveyor? We bought a metal detector, however everything in our backyard seems to be made of metal so it is really useless right about now. I have the measurments, but i have no idea how to really find a starting point to go buy. We have new neighbors who seem to think their propery is ours.. but we have no way to prove it. help if you can.. please Then hire a surveyor. -- Rich Greenberg Marietta, GA, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 770 321 6507 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red & Shasta (RIP),Red, husky Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L |
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wrote Yeah that should only set them back about $4000.00 I recently had my property surveyed, it set me back 1/10th of that. My lot is just a city lot 88'x178', but I can't see paying $4k unless you live in an area that's really expensive, or possibly have hundreds of acres. |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:32:37 GMT, in misc.consumers.house "Kirby"
wrote: wrote Yeah that should only set them back about $4000.00 I recently had my property surveyed, it set me back 1/10th of that. My lot is just a city lot 88'x178', but I can't see paying $4k unless you live in an area that's really expensive, or possibly have hundreds of acres. Two of my neighbors paid about that to have just 1/2 an acre surveyed on two different occasions. This was in a really backwards and rural area. |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:53:03 -0600, in misc.consumers.house "Clark W. Griswold,
Jr." wrote: For finer resolution, if the property marker posts have been removed, you need a surveyor that will work from a permanent marker embdeed in the street or other area. Even if there are lot line markers, its not unusual for them to mysteriously move... Yes and the original survey can be wrong too. |
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wrote Does anyoneknow how to find their property line iwthout a surveyor? We bought a metal detector, however everything in our backyard seems to be made of metal so it is really useless right about now. I have the measurments, but i have no idea how to really find a starting point to go buy. We have new neighbors who seem to think their propery is ours.. but we have no way to prove it. help if you can.. please -eric What makes you think they're not correct, if you don't have a clue where your boundries are? Maybe being neighborly, and asking them how they came to the conclusion of where the boundary is, might be an excellent start. |
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If they seam to be pretty sure of the property line and they are the
new owners, they might have the latest survey for there property. Be nice and ask to see their survey. You just might own more property than you think, and that's a good thing. Bryan |
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In article , Kirby
says... wrote Yeah that should only set them back about $4000.00 I recently had my property surveyed, it set me back 1/10th of that. My lot is just a city lot 88'x178', but I can't see paying $4k unless you live in an area that's really expensive, or possibly have hundreds of acres. The last surveying job I heard about here in upstate New York was about $800. I'd survey. If there is an issue, or to avoid future issues, best to determine the boundary line for certain. Banty |
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You have been given some good replies. Here's another on how to do it
yourself: If, between properties, at the street there is something like an electric box or telephone box or something similar that belongs to the government or utility, it is common the object is place exactly between properties, with the center of the back of the box being a foot or less outside the corner boundry. If, between properties, at the back, there are already fences for the homes behind you and beside you, it is likely the intersection of those is very close to the corner boundry. If there is just one fence for one house, it is likely the corner of that fence is just inside the corner boundry. Of course, you could have what I used to: a telephone box three feet from a cable box in the front. Or the guy who put up the fence behind you may not have gotten the corner right. But, unless you and your neighbor are fighting over literally one or two feet, you probably won't be far off. |
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Like below, I went to my county "Assessors Office" and got a map which
contained my and my neighbors property lines as well as measurements of the lots. Then I got a long tape measure, 150 ft. or whatever, and just started measuring. The key was finding out where my property line started at the city street. Also having a corner lot next to my lot and another city street there. Then everything needs to add up. 100 ft. this way for this lot, 50 ft. further to the city street, etc. Doing this, I was able to find the survey markers. My measurements were within inches, so not too bad. Then I put up level poles and used line of sight between the survey markers to find points along the line. This is good enough for fence building, but would not be acceptable for building a new house or whatever. I think you need to get a new survey done for any building ? "Clark W. Griswold, Jr." wrote in message You start with your city/county property office and obtain a plat of the area you live in. Many municipalities have this online now. That will give you a rough idea of the property boundaries, including distances from landmarks and other features that should give you an close approximation of the boundary. For finer resolution, if the property marker posts have been removed, you need a surveyor that will work from a permanent marker embdeed in the street or other area. Even if there are lot line markers, its not unusual for them to mysteriously move... |
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Clark W. Griswold, Jr. wrote:
You start with your city/county property office and obtain a plat of the area you live in. Many municipalities have this online now. That will give you a rough idea of the property boundaries, including distances from landmarks and other features that should give you an close approximation of the boundary. Yes, when faced with this situation I was able to go to the city and examine maps called sewer sheets. On these, the distance from the sewer plug (near the sidwalk in our case) to the where the property line intersects the street is marked. So this will tell you where you property lines with your next-door neighbors are, within a few inches, at the front of your property. Also marked on this map is the angle at which the property lines intersect the street (in my case, 81 degrees). From this you can extrapolate where the property line heads as you go towards the back of the property. However, if the properties are decades old the defacto boundary as determined by usage may have more legal significance than the surveyed boundary anyway. Steve |
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wrote in message oups.com... Does anyoneknow how to find their property line iwthout a surveyor? We bought a metal detector, however everything in our backyard seems to be made of metal so it is really useless right about now. I have the measurments, but i have no idea how to really find a starting point to go buy. We have new neighbors who seem to think their propery is ours.. but we have no way to prove it. help if you can.. please -eric Why would your neighbor take your word or your measurement that the line is wrong? At best, it might raise a question; but how do you resolve the question? Surely, at some point you'll need an authoritative answer from a city/county official or from a survey that both you and the neighbor agree upon -- and pay for. TKM |
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:36:39 GMT, someone wrote:
....We have new neighbors who seem to think their propery is ours.. Hmm, they think their is yours? Doesn't seem to be a problem there.... ....Surely, at some point you'll need an authoritative answer from a city/county official or from a survey... The survey part is right - but what city/county oficial do you actually think is going to referee a boundary dispute between two private land owners? Do you really think a city/county official comes out and declares a property line for people? Now, if you were to try and claim some city/county land, it would be different. But a line between two owners? Nah. The city/county just levies taxes on what they THINK is the property, this doesn't prove anything, and it is up to the owners to come forward if they claim there is a mistake. Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file. |
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"You have been given some good replies. Here's another on how to do it
yourself: If, between properties, at the street there is something like an electric box or telephone box or something similar that belongs to the government or utility, it is common the object is place exactly between properties, with the center of the back of the box being a foot or less outside the corner boundry. If, between properties, at the back, there are already fences for the homes behind you and beside you, it is likely the intersection of those is very close to the corner boundry. If there is just one fence for one house, it is likely the corner of that fence is just inside the corner boundry. Of course, you could have what I used to: a telephone box three feet from a cable box in the front. Or the guy who put up the fence behind you may not have gotten the corner right. But, unless you and your neighbor are fighting over literally one or two feet, you probably won't be far off. " Wow, what great advice. The property boundery might be where the utility chose to put a box. Or it might be where someone erected a fence. But then again it might not, but you "probably" won't be far off. Are you for real? A surveyor for a typical house lot in a developed area will charge $500 bucks or so to come out and mark the corners. That way you will know for sure. Other than that, you're just guessing. If there is disagreement with a neigbor, as somone already suggested, I would ask them if they have a survey or had the property marked recently. If not, perhaps you could get both properties done for a better deal, since part of the work overlaps. |
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"v" wrote in message ... On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:36:39 GMT, someone wrote: ....We have new neighbors who seem to think their propery is ours.. Hmm, they think their is yours? Doesn't seem to be a problem there.... ....Surely, at some point you'll need an authoritative answer from a city/county official or from a survey... The survey part is right - but what city/county oficial do you actually think is going to referee a boundary dispute between two private land owners? Do you really think a city/county official comes out and declares a property line for people? Now, if you were to try and claim some city/county land, it would be different. But a line between two owners? Nah. The city/county just levies taxes on what they THINK is the property, this doesn't prove anything, and it is up to the owners to come forward if they claim there is a mistake. No, I don't think any government officials settle boundary disputes; but around here they do know where the property pins are and they've even cast property line markers in the concrete curbs along the streets to make lot lines easier to find. TKM |
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property line dispute
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:28:46 GMT, someone wrote:
No, I don't think any government officials settle boundary disputes; but around here they do know where the property pins are and they've even cast property line markers in the concrete curbs along the streets to make lot lines easier to find. Around here, I doubt very much that any government officials have any idea where any pins are. The piece behind me was just surveyed, and the lot line moved about 600 feet from where the tax map had it. Seems they credited my neighbor with all of the North half of two Colonial Lots whereas actually he all of one, and only 6 rods of he next, the rest should have always been someone else but the mistake has been on the Assessor's records for years (and no, the mistake did NOT confer ownership, paying taxes to the government didn't take away the rights of the true owner). We don't have curbs here. Does the 'City' actually put yours in, or is it their contractor, or is it the developer if its in a recent subdivision? (Or, more specifically, who puts in those markers?) Perhaps you live in a recently developed area where the City has only recently been involved with approving and inspecting new developments, and they have required that the new lots be clearly marked. It is not like that where I live, and I don't know if it is or isn't where OP lives. Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file. |
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property line dispute
"v" wrote in message ... On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:28:46 GMT, someone wrote: No, I don't think any government officials settle boundary disputes; but around here they do know where the property pins are and they've even cast property line markers in the concrete curbs along the streets to make lot lines easier to find. Around here, I doubt very much that any government officials have any idea where any pins are. The piece behind me was just surveyed, and the lot line moved about 600 feet from where the tax map had it. Seems they credited my neighbor with all of the North half of two Colonial Lots whereas actually he all of one, and only 6 rods of he next, the rest should have always been someone else but the mistake has been on the Assessor's records for years (and no, the mistake did NOT confer ownership, paying taxes to the government didn't take away the rights of the true owner). We don't have curbs here. Does the 'City' actually put yours in, or is it their contractor, or is it the developer if its in a recent subdivision? (Or, more specifically, who puts in those markers?) Perhaps you live in a recently developed area where the City has only recently been involved with approving and inspecting new developments, and they have required that the new lots be clearly marked. It is not like that where I live, and I don't know if it is or isn't where OP lives. You are likely correct about the developer putting in the property markers. The properties in that area were developed about 1956 and I don't see the markers in more recently-developed areas. The city Building Dept. is perhaps more competent and helpful than most. They do know where the property lines are and they seem to have up-to-date property maps. I can state from personal experience that they carefully checked the placement of my new house which had to be slightly skewed on the lot to meet zoning requirements and was within 4 inches of not meeting those requirements. It's an old city -- 100+ years with few new developments. But my point to the OP was simply that the city or country may be of help and it's worth asking. However, to get the job done with enough authority for agreement between the OP and the neighbor requires a professional surveyor; it's not a DIY project. TKM |
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