I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on
bringing it to the market.

I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device.
You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application,
electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and
knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus.

If you or someone you know is interested please contact me throught the
contact form on my website below.

You will need to sign a Non Compete agreement and a Non Disclosure agreement
prior to getting details of the project. There is no pay up front but you
will be given royalties from the sale of the product. You must be a US
citizen, and have a resume for submittal.

College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge
to complete the project over the summer.

--
Brett Griffin, Technology Consultant

Architechtronics, Inc.
get to know home technologyT
p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484

*top 10 reasons to use Architechtronics for your next project
http://www.architechtronics.com/top10.html

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:17:54 -0400, Brett Griffin wrote:

I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on
bringing it to the market.

I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device.
You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application,
electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and
knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus.

If you or someone you know is interested please contact me throught the
contact form on my website below.

You will need to sign a Non Compete agreement and a Non Disclosure agreement
prior to getting details of the project. There is no pay up front but you
will be given royalties from the sale of the product. You must be a US
citizen, and have a resume for submittal.

College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge
to complete the project over the summer.

If I felt like doing all of that crap, what would I need you for?

Oh! I get it! The idea!

I'm sure that you'll be overwhelmed with applicants for your little
opportunity to spend the summer working for free, just so _you_ can
make a bunch of money off your precious idea, while paying the guy
who did all of the work, a _royalty_?

Gimme 5K up front, and a guarantee of 60% of gross sales, and I'll
consider it.

Thanks!
Rich

If you're on glue I recommend you stop immediately --- the long term
negative health effects far outweigh any short term 'rush' you may be
getting out of it. If you aren't on glue then, um --- I don't know, maybe
you're just plain stupid.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:40:12 GMT, "stahoopid_rahat"
wrote:

If you're on glue I recommend you stop immediately --- the long term
negative health effects far outweigh any short term 'rush' you may be
getting out of it. If you aren't on glue then, um --- I don't know, maybe
you're just plain stupid.

---
Hey, Rich,

Check it out... That stupid **** originally signed on as "Tom"
something or other and has been trolling ever since.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

Yeah Rich, look, maybe together, if we both try to gang up on the troll,
maybe I'll be more successfull than last time when I got bitched out real
bad.
signed
John (the informant) Fields

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:40:34 GMT, "ubertroll"
wrote:

Yeah Rich, look, maybe together, if we both try to gang up on the troll,
maybe I'll be more successfull than last time when I got bitched out real
bad.
signed
John (the informant) Fields

---
Jeez, Mr. Fields,

I'm sorry that I'm such a stupid bag of ****, but I can't help it.

You see, when I was much younger my mom used to suck me off while my
dad was butt****ing me and that's left me with a real need to be
abused. That's why I always post stuff that causes people to flame
me. I need to be flamed constantly just to feel normal, so please
keep it up! (as my mom used to say)

Signed,

Tiny Tommy The Troublemaking Twit

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

Help! My name is John Fields and I'm stupid --- moan, snivel. I've got
fleas and my ass stinks, whine. I'm a pseudo-gay police informant with a
really bad heart condition, beak, beak ...

I apologize If I ****ed anyone off. I have an idea that several clients
have asked for. I don't have $5000 to pay someone to develop this. I have
the idea, and I have clients, marketing and sales.

I don't see why splitting the profits is such a bad idea, I have several
software developers that do this with me and they don't complain. It works
for both parties, I had the idea, and I sell it. That is what I bring to
the table. I have the marketing the relationships and the sales process
completed.



My idea should not take more than a couple of hours of a good designers
time. If it does than you are not a good designer.
--
Brett Griffin, Technology Consultant


Architechtronics, Inc.
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p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484

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"Brett Griffin" wrote in message
...
I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on
bringing it to the market.

I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device.
You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application,
electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and
knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus.

If you or someone you know is interested please contact me throught the
contact form on my website below.

You will need to sign a Non Compete agreement and a Non Disclosure
agreement prior to getting details of the project. There is no pay up
front but you will be given royalties from the sale of the product. You
must be a US citizen, and have a resume for submittal.

College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge
to complete the project over the summer.

--
Brett Griffin, Technology Consultant

Architechtronics, Inc.
get to know home technologyT
p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484

*top 10 reasons to use Architechtronics for your next project
http://www.architechtronics.com/top10.html

**keep up on cutting-edge technology... join "the EDGE" for free at
http://www.architectronics.com/edge.html

-------------------------------------------

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:31:17 -0400, "Brett Griffin"
wrote:

I apologize If I ****ed anyone off. I have an idea that several clients
have asked for. I don't have $5000 to pay someone to develop this. I have
the idea, and I have clients, marketing and sales.

I don't see why splitting the profits is such a bad idea, I have several
software developers that do this with me and they don't complain. It works
for both parties, I had the idea, and I sell it. That is what I bring to
the table. I have the marketing the relationships and the sales process
completed.



My idea should not take more than a couple of hours of a good designers
time. If it does than you are not a good designer.

---
$5000 for a couple of hours of design time? LOL, even _I_ don't
charge that much!

A _good_ designer shouldn't have to take any of the risk and is just
plain stupid if he agrees to get paid on the come, and then, out of
profits, if there are any!

A more equitable plan would be to offer a percentage of the sales,
which then takes all of the profit-eating mechanisms out of the
picture.

All you're trying to do is get some poor sad-sack to design something
up for you, for free, which you'll never have to pay for if you don't
want to.

Count me out!

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

Brett Griffin wrote:

My idea should not take more than a couple of hours of a good designers
time. If it does than you are not a good designer.
--
Brett Griffin, Technology Consultant

If you think that writing ethernet firmware and designing electronic
circuitry should not take more than a couple of hours, then you are
not a good technology consultant.

Don't bother with these neurotic buffoons Brett, they're a complete waste of
time. The only thing they're good at is justifying their self-serving
dysfunctionality. You could offer them the deal of a lifetime and they'd
find a reason to refuse it because they know any involvement with a serious
developer will expose them.

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:35:22 GMT, "fleen_squigger"
wrote:

Don't bother with these neurotic buffoons Brett, they're a complete waste of
time. The only thing they're good at is justifying their self-serving
dysfunctionality. You could offer them the deal of a lifetime and they'd
find a reason to refuse it because they know any involvement with a serious
developer will expose them.



As one who earns 100% of my income DESIGNING, Brett's offer is plain
BS, and won't draw any responders other than amateurs. There's no
contract there... just bait for suckers.

And, WTF is "fleen_squigger"? Ever made more than US$5/hour ?:-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:47:38 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:35:22 GMT, "fleen_squigger"
wrote:

Don't bother with these neurotic buffoons Brett, they're a complete waste of
time. The only thing they're good at is justifying their self-serving
dysfunctionality. You could offer them the deal of a lifetime and they'd
find a reason to refuse it because they know any involvement with a serious
developer will expose them.



As one who earns 100% of my income DESIGNING, Brett's offer is plain
BS, and won't draw any responders other than amateurs. There's no
contract there... just bait for suckers.

And, WTF is "fleen_squigger"? Ever made more than US$5/hour ?:-)

---
He's a brain-dead troll from alt.electronics who likes to play stupid
games.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:44:57 -0500, John Fields wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:47:38 -0700, Jim Thompson

And, WTF is "fleen_squigger"? Ever made more than US$5/hour ?:-)

---
He's a brain-dead troll from alt.electronics who likes to play stupid
games.

It's my fault. I accidentally crossposted troll-food the other day.
Please, don't punish me!

Love,
The Moderator Of The ****ing Box

As one who earns 100% of my income DESIGNING

Yet has enough free time to waste it on newsgroups...

Yeah, sounds like wishful thinking to me ...

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:00:39 -0400, wkearney99 wrote:

As one who earns 100% of my income DESIGNING

Yet has enough free time to waste it on newsgroups...

As opposed to you and fleen making your income by being dinks in
newsgroups. Sounds right.

--
Keith

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:47:38 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:35:22 GMT, "fleen_squigger"
wrote:

Don't bother with these neurotic buffoons Brett, they're a complete waste of
time. The only thing they're good at is justifying their self-serving
dysfunctionality. You could offer them the deal of a lifetime and they'd
find a reason to refuse it because they know any involvement with a serious
developer will expose them.



As one who earns 100% of my income DESIGNING, Brett's offer is plain
BS, and won't draw any responders other than amateurs. There's no
contract there... just bait for suckers.

And, WTF is "fleen_squigger"? Ever made more than US$5/hour ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

Jim, You've been trolled, in case you hadn't noticed.
--
Flap!
The Pig Bladder from Uranus, still waiting for that
hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is. ;-j

"Brett Griffin" wrote in message
...
I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on
bringing it to the market.

I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device.
You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application,
electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and
knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus.

If you or someone you know is interested please contact me throught the
contact form on my website below.

You will need to sign a Non Compete agreement and a Non Disclosure
agreement
prior to getting details of the project. There is no pay up front but you
will be given royalties from the sale of the product. You must be a US
citizen, and have a resume for submittal.

College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge
to complete the project over the summer.

--
Brett Griffin, Technology Consultant

Ooh! ooh! ooh! hand waving in air Pick me! Pick me!

I'll do it for a small fixed fee, a percentage of sales, and a percentage of
profits (all negotiable).

And expenses, of course...

I think I'll need a new laptop to pursue this properly...

And a B-size printer...

Plus I don't know that much about ethernet interface, so I may need to take
a couple of courses...

Well I never imagined I would spawn this much debate over nothing.

Dont worry about it anymore, I accomplished what I set out to do. I have
several established companies in the US and Canada, who are willing to work
with me on contractual terms.

To answer many of the odd questions and points brought up in this very very
long and pointless discussion.

I have never used another name (specifically I have never used the name
"Tom")in this forum or any other forum. I have nothing to hide from (except
spam).

To be honest I have to thank all of your post it was rather quite amusing,
and I enjoyed it.

--
Brett Griffin, Home Technology Consultant

Architechtronics, Inc.
get to know home technologyT
p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484

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"Brett Griffin" wrote in message
...
I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on
bringing it to the market.

I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device.
You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application,
electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and
knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus.

If you or someone you know is interested please contact me throught the
contact form on my website below.

You will need to sign a Non Compete agreement and a Non Disclosure
agreement prior to getting details of the project. There is no pay up
front but you will be given royalties from the sale of the product. You
must be a US citizen, and have a resume for submittal.

College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge
to complete the project over the summer.

--
Brett Griffin, Technology Consultant

Architechtronics, Inc.
get to know home technologyT
p. (610) 825.7018 f (215) 827.5484

*top 10 reasons to use Architechtronics for your next project
http://www.architechtronics.com/top10.html

**keep up on cutting-edge technology... join "the EDGE" for free at
http://www.architectronics.com/edge.html

-------------------------------------------

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:44:09 -0400, "Brett Griffin"
wrote:

Well I never imagined I would spawn this much debate over nothing.

Dont worry about it anymore,

---
"Worry about it"? Don't flatter yourself. You're just another creep
who was looking to hoodwink someone into falling for your crap and
then find out at the end of it, sadly, that there were no profits to
share. "Operating expenses" ate them all up.
---

I accomplished what I set out to do.

---
If making yourself look like a disreputable slimeball was your goal,
then I'll agree with you; you've succeeded admirably.
---

I have
several established companies in the US and Canada, who are willing to work
with me on contractual terms.

---
Then why did you even bother to post your "offer" unless you thought
you'd find some sucker stupid enough to fall for it?
---

To answer many of the odd questions and points brought up in this very very
long and pointless discussion.

---
If you think this has been a "long" discussion, you're obviously an
amateur in this melee, and if you think it's been pointless, I
disagree. We all know a lot more about you than we did before, thanks
to you!
---

I have never used another name (specifically I have never used the name
"Tom")in this forum or any other forum.

---
Those posts weren't directed to you, as you'd know if you knew how to
use your newsreader.
---

I have nothing to hide from (except spam).

---
Unbelievable! you post unsolicited off-topic commercial crap on
newsgroups where your junk is unwelcome and you think it's _not_ SPAM?
I guess, from your POV, SPAM is only stuff that annoys _you_.
---

To be honest I have to thank all of your post it was rather quite amusing,
and I enjoyed it.

---
If you really wanted to be honest you wouldn't try to steal precious
time out of someone else's life.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

As you can tell from the quality, demeanour, and overall tone of Mr F's
posts, he has a rather deeply rooted personality disorder --- a type of
disorder that attracts the attention of mainstream troll-hood. As
mainstream trolls, our objective is to trigger as many enraged, apoplectic
outbursts as we can from certain individuals (such as Mr F) to teach them
that such outbursts are counter-productive, unnecessary, and are simply an
ineffective method of interacting with their fellow human beings --- even
those who disapprove of their NNTP posts.
Most would simply find it laughable that someone has a derogatory opinion of
them or their NNTP posts --- only a very limited minority of newsgroup users
will actually become enraged and post adrenaline-charged, rage-filled
ripostes in response --- these individuals are like gold to the troll
community because these are the people with whom we can do our most valuable
work. Mr F. is one these precious individuals. Please feel free to use him
in this capacity --- all we ask is that you don't over-stress his fragile
ego to the breaking point (as could easily be done). The more Mr F can be
shown that his vitriolic diatribes are something that the world finds
amusing --- not something that inspires fear or awe, the quicker he will
learn to change his errant ways and be brought back into the fold of
humanity --- minus his vituperative rantings.
Please, no over-stressing of an already fragile and fractured ego!

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:04:22 GMT, "fleen_squigger"
wrote:

As you can tell from the quality, demeanour, and overall tone of Mr F's
posts, he has a rather deeply rooted personality disorder --- a type of
disorder that attracts the attention of mainstream troll-hood.

---
As anyone of even marginal intelligence should be able to understand,
the _lack_ of quality in a troll's life, the admitted desire of a
troll for the acceptance of criminal demeanor to be considered
mainstream behavior, and the troll's propensity toward fomenting
discord in the affairs of those not so afflicted are the troll's
raisons d'être.
---

As mainstream trolls, our objective is to trigger as many enraged, apoplectic
outbursts as we can from certain individuals (such as Mr F) to teach them
that such outbursts are counter-productive, unnecessary, and are simply an
ineffective method of interacting with their fellow human beings --- even
those who disapprove of their NNTP posts.

---
In order to feed their egos and bring feelings of self-worth into
their wasted lives, trolls like to attempt to engage passers-by by
shouting personally derogatory epithets in an attempt to attract
retaliation (and thus validation) from the passer by. Should _any_
response be forthcoming, the troll's true nature will come to light
and an attempt will be made, by the troll, to slough off its character
defects onto the passer-by and to cause an infection to occur in the
passer-by which will make the troll's actions seem to be benevolent.
---

Most would simply find it laughable that someone has a derogatory opinion of
them or their NNTP posts --- only a very limited minority of newsgroup users
will actually become enraged and post adrenaline-charged, rage-filled
ripostes in response --- these individuals are like gold to the troll
community because these are the people with whom we can do our most valuable
work. Mr F. is one these precious individuals. Please feel free to use him
in this capacity --- all we ask is that you don't over-stress his fragile
ego to the breaking point (as could easily be done). The more Mr F can be
shown that his vitriolic diatribes are something that the world finds
amusing --- not something that inspires fear or awe, the quicker he will
learn to change his errant ways and be brought back into the fold of
humanity --- minus his vituperative rantings.
Please, no over-stressing of an already fragile and fractured ego!

---
Vituperative ranting directed at a troll is anathema to it in that it
forces a crack to appear in its thin outer shell which can easily be
widened by the application of anger, real or feigned. Once the crack
has been opened, the troll is forced to look within itself and,
horrified by what it sees, call for the cessation of activities which
would open the crack wider and wider and eventually lead to the
troll's understanding of its true nature.

Failure to accede to the troll's pleas for "reason" to prevail is the
kindest thing to do, in that it will put the troll out of its misery.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on
bringing it to the market.

I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device.
You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application,
electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and
knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus.

If you or someone you know is interested please contact me throught the
contact form on my website below.

You will need to sign a Non Compete agreement and a Non Disclosure agreement
prior to getting details of the project. There is no pay up front but you
will be given royalties from the sale of the product. You must be a US
citizen, and have a resume for submittal.

College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge
to complete the project over the summer.


You are addressing this proposal to the wrong group. You want to be
talking with an "embedded systems engineer" with strong ethernet
programming skills. This probably will not be much of a job for them as
it is likely you don't know enough to conceive a requirement of any
complexity. The people who know this sub-specialty can draw on several
candidate reference designs off the top of their head very quickly, and
patch together the software already at their disposal to get a prototype
working quickly. The main problem you will have is that the person who
takes you up the the offer will have something wrong with them.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:37:29 GMT, Fred Bloggs
wrote:

I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on
bringing it to the market.

I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device.
You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application,
electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and
knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus.

If you or someone you know is interested please contact me throught the
contact form on my website below.

You will need to sign a Non Compete agreement and a Non Disclosure agreement
prior to getting details of the project. There is no pay up front but you
will be given royalties from the sale of the product. You must be a US
citizen, and have a resume for submittal.

College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge
to complete the project over the summer.


You are addressing this proposal to the wrong group. You want to be
talking with an "embedded systems engineer" with strong ethernet
programming skills. This probably will not be much of a job for them as
it is likely you don't know enough to conceive a requirement of any
complexity. The people who know this sub-specialty can draw on several
candidate reference designs off the top of their head very quickly, and
patch together the software already at their disposal to get a prototype
working quickly. The main problem you will have is that the person who
takes you up the the offer will have something wrong with them.

---
Exquisite!-)

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

Indeed! How excrutiatingly mah-velous ...

fleen_squigger wrote:
Indeed! How excrutiatingly mah-velous ...


Whattsa matta- your favorite cartoon shows in re-runs?

You and the rest of your ilk, mes amis, are FAR more entertaining than
cartoons ever were!

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:07:19 GMT, "fleen_squigger"
wrote:

Indeed! How excrutiatingly mah-velous ...

---
It's considered poor form not to leave a snippet of the post being
replied to in the reply, as a courtesy to the reader.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:58:53 -0500, John Fields
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:37:29 GMT, Fred Bloggs
wrote:

I am looking to take an idea I have had for several years and work on
bringing it to the market.

I am looking for someone who can develop a small hardware/firmware device.
You will need knowlegde of devloping ethernet firmware application,
electronic circuitry design, and other knowledge skills. Contacts and
knowledge in manufacturing from design, and packaging is a plus.

If you or someone you know is interested please contact me throught the
contact form on my website below.

You will need to sign a Non Compete agreement and a Non Disclosure agreement
prior to getting details of the project. There is no pay up front but you
will be given royalties from the sale of the product. You must be a US
citizen, and have a resume for submittal.

College, and Vocational students may apply, but must have a base knowledge
to complete the project over the summer.


You are addressing this proposal to the wrong group. You want to be
talking with an "embedded systems engineer" with strong ethernet
programming skills. This probably will not be much of a job for them as
it is likely you don't know enough to conceive a requirement of any
complexity. The people who know this sub-specialty can draw on several
candidate reference designs off the top of their head very quickly, and
patch together the software already at their disposal to get a prototype
working quickly. The main problem you will have is that the person who
takes you up the the offer will have something wrong with them.

---
Exquisite!-)

Damn!!! That's so funny I'm going to have to unplonk Bloggs ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.