Bee wrote:
Reverend_roger wrote:
Dennis wrote:
SteveH wrote:
Neaco wrote:
...You get what you pay for...
...the old 'get what you pay for' clause will surely be
applied?
ie. a =A3200 widescreen could reasonably be expected to expire
after a couple of years, whereas a =A3800 set should be expected
to last longer....
...There is little correlation between how long stuff lasts and
the
price. You pay for the brand name on most expensive things...
the components are the same....
I take it you have no experience of tv repair, otherwise you would
not make nonsensical statements like that. So , by your reasoning,
a 1200 pound set has the same longevity as a sub-200 pound
supermarket special? Care to show any examples to support that
assertion?? Whilst it is true that at component level, there
exists
some overlap, circuit design and how those components are used,
is more important, and is another matter ...cheapo no-name sets
are NOT "the same" as most other name brand sets, except on
occasion in , say, some 14" models (JVC used some ONWA
chassis in their 14" low end models, for example).


You are making the assertion that the models from established names
performs
better (and lasts longer) than the no-name or little-known named ones

because of circuit designs, i.e. of different use/configuration of
(some)
components.

That is generally true, yes. Price also influences -you tend to get
what you pay for. Fewer corners seem to be cut in the more expensive
brand-name sets and they as such tend to perform better. Not always,
but in the majority of cases I have seen working in repair.

A better design demands a premium, which may be =A31000 more.
You implied that a circuit design is an intellectual property, and, a

superior intellect demands a premium. This is the essence of your
contention, reverend_roger.

I think you have read this into my words, nowhere did I mention
intellectual property. read on...

Why is it that a small unknown company (in one country) is unable to
design
a circuit superior than one from an established company (may be of
another
country with a different salary pay structure)?

There is absolutely, undeniably, positively, irrefutably no reason at
all.
It's bunkum.

The answer is quite simple- Economics and cost cutting. Put simply,
many of those low end sets seem to be built down to a price not up to a
standard. Of course, good design is not exclusive to anybody, but you
just won't normally find that in low end sets since it is not an
important factor in their manufacturing. They could include design
refinements (for example in the areas mentioned in next paragraph) if
they wanted to i am sure, but when you are making a product to market
at lowest possible cost, that doesn't generally happ=E8n.

I find that in many such sets, corners (and hence costs) seem to be
cut most in the audio, power supply/regulation and scanning circuits.


Reverend_roger, you have been unable to think freely, unable to break
free
from the traditional, 'conventional wisdom' that "better design
therefore
more expensive", or maybe, you are an exceptional member of the
unthinking
masses befuddled by big names.

Thank you, that's the nicest thing anybody's said to me all day!

This is of course nonsense: an intelligent
circuit design does not cost money.

Making a proprietary design, researching , testing, refining it,
however, costs money (and takes time). Insetad of that, many low end
sets simply use one turkish or chinese chassis design and slap on a
name. Or maybe you think names like BlueSky, durabrand, technosound,
sogo, SEG etc. make their own designs? how little you know....OEM -ing
is probably far cheaper than designing one from scratch.

-Ben