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serial line monitor suggestions (HP 4951?)
I need to be able to look at the bits/bytes going back and forth on a
serial line. I don't really need to *emulate* anything in particular, like *be* the DTE or DCE, I just want to sniff the line that two other devices are talking on so I can troubleshoot. Besides RS232, I need it to do 422 and maybe 485 (e.g. address filtering). This is for pretty low speeds -- 38400 max and I could even live with just 19200. The PC-based tool I'm using now just suuuuuucks. At a previous job we had a small standalone HP analyzer which was extremely useful; naturally I don't remember the model name but googling around leads me to think it was an HP 4951x. That model apparently has some storage capabilities -- I don't need that either (just a RAM capture is fine). Can anyone suggest similar analyzers for this purpose? No SONET, no STP/UTP, just plain old low speed serial lines ... Once I have some models identified then I'll start looking for used units. Thanks! |
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serial line monitor suggestions (HP 4951?)
In sci.electronics.equipment Chris Campbell wrote:
I need to be able to look at the bits/bytes going back and forth on a serial line. This might be the PC-based tool you are using, but: see http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain . The blurb is still there; if the code isn't still there let me know and I will mail it to you. A couple of outboard converters will let you do 422 and 485. The code doesn't have address filtering but you could probably add it - you'll need a DOS C++ compiler. Matt Roberds |
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serial line monitor suggestions (HP 4951?)
This might be the PC-based tool you are using, but: see
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain . The blurb is still there; if the code isn't still there let me know and I will mail it to you. A couple of outboard converters will let you do 422 and 485. Thanks for the response. I really don't want to go with a PC-based solution, as I've been down that road and I know where it ends I want something standalone that doesn't require a PC and doesn't require conversion. I need to look directly at the 422/485 lines and that means no PC and no line conversion. Is an HP4951 going to do this for me? |
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serial line monitor suggestions (HP 4951?)
In sci.electronics.equipment Chris Campbell wrote:
I really don't want to go with a PC-based solution, as I've been down that road and I know where it ends At one job, we had an ancient HP serial analyzer and a PC-based one on a laptop. The laptop one didn't work at first, and the HP, despite being ~25 years old at the time, worked fine. I finally futzed with drivers and reinstalls on the laptop for about half a day and got it working well, because I needed to go faster than the 9600 bps the HP could do. So I understand what you're saying. I don't remember the model of that analyzer, but it was from the mid 70s or so. It had a CRT and about a 20-key keypad on the front, not a keyboard. Above the screen, there was a matrix of holes that you would plug gold-plated pins into to set which lines it was monitoring, how the modem control lines worked, etc. At another job, I used an HP analyzer that was newer - it could store data on a 3.5" 720K? floppy. Pictures from Google (below) tell me that this analyzer was probably newer than a 4951, while the one I talked about above was older. Is an HP4951 going to do this for me? I don't know if you found this already, but http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/...er/002207.html has a link to a scanned HP ad at http://www.helmut-singer.de/pdf/hp49...955a-4972a.pdf , which says the 4951C does 232C and 422A. No mention of 485. Googling on "hp 4951a" and "hp 4951b" also produces useful results, with specifications and a few mentions of units for sale. Matt Roberds |
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serial line monitor suggestions (HP 4951?)
Thanks for the excellent links -- this gives me a foothold to start searching with!
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serial line monitor suggestions (HP 4951?)
Chris Campbell wrote:
I need to be able to look at the bits/bytes going back and forth on a serial line. I don't really need to *emulate* anything in particular, like *be* the DTE or DCE, I just want to sniff the line that two other devices are talking on so I can troubleshoot. Besides RS232, I need it to do 422 and maybe 485 (e.g. address filtering). This is for pretty low speeds -- 38400 max and I could even live with just 19200. The PC-based tool I'm using now just suuuuuucks. At a previous job we had a small standalone HP analyzer which was extremely useful; naturally I don't remember the model name but googling around leads me to think it was an HP 4951x. That model apparently has some storage capabilities -- I don't need that either (just a RAM capture is fine). Can anyone suggest similar analyzers for this purpose? No SONET, no STP/UTP, just plain old low speed serial lines ... Once I have some models identified then I'll start looking for used units. Thanks! Try the good ol' HP 4952A with the pod for RS-232 and RS-422. There are many pods available (for ISDN too) but I don't remember anything about RS-485. Regards Franco |
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