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Default Baker AWA12000 - Advanced Winding Analyzer III - trying to archivehard drive

I have a customers AWA12000 in the shop and found the first problem - a
bad lithium battery - however when I have tried to archive the hard
drive I find that the Baker software won't run on any of my copies. So I
assume the drive has some sort of copy protection.

Baker no longer services this machine (obsolete) and will not provide
ANY service information unless you are a member of their service
organization. Baker was bought out by another company, but I'm calling
it Baker as they built the thing.

So, the operating system is W2K, the copies boot up fine, they just
won't run the Baker code. I consider this fair use as we are just trying
to protect the companies investment in this tool (cost $18,000USD when
new back in 2000) as the replacement units are now $40K USD! The
customer does not have the backup floppies for the original code, but
does have the licenced W2K CD.

I tried first with Miray's Dolly - no success at all, so I then tried my
CSC HDS-4000 IDE duplicator, which made copies and claimed no errors,
but these are the ones that work until I try running the analyzer code.

I figure this is some sort of soft sector copy protection, so don't want
to run Spinright on the drive as that may 'fix' the problem and leave us
with a big door stop.

Anyone familiar with the CSC duplicator and knows some tricks that might
help?

Thanks!

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On 2016-01-14, John Robertson wrote:
So, the operating system is W2K, the copies boot up fine, they just
won't run the Baker code.


Can you describe what you're doing? So this is a sector-level backup.
So, the serial volume ID is the same, right?

C:\Users\kazdir
Volume in drive C is Local Disk
Volume Serial Number is 5E2C-F3E2
^^^^^^^^^ -- this

How are you booting the copies? Are you swapping hard drives into the
same AWA unit? If so, it could be that the software is licensed to the
hard drive serial number. (Not the above Windows volume ID).
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On 01/14/2016 3:00 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2016-01-14, John Robertson wrote:
So, the operating system is W2K, the copies boot up fine, they just
won't run the Baker code.


Can you describe what you're doing? So this is a sector-level backup.
So, the serial volume ID is the same, right?

C:\Users\kazdir
Volume in drive C is Local Disk
Volume Serial Number is 5E2C-F3E2
^^^^^^^^^ -- this

How are you booting the copies? Are you swapping hard drives into the
same AWA unit? If so, it could be that the software is licensed to the
hard drive serial number. (Not the above Windows volume ID).


It turns out I just wasn't waiting long enough for the IDE copier to
finish the job. I now have working backup/archive drives. If there is a
serial number it has been copied over.

Thanks for getting back to me though!

John :-#)#

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On 2016-01-15, John Robertson wrote:
It turns out I just wasn't waiting long enough for the IDE copier to
finish the job.


Why not? What is the nature of the feedback you get from the copier
about progress/completion, and how did you eventually realize the
mistake?
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On 01/15/2016 10:24 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2016-01-15, John Robertson wrote:
It turns out I just wasn't waiting long enough for the IDE copier to
finish the job.


Why not? What is the nature of the feedback you get from the copier
about progress/completion, and how did you eventually realize the
mistake?


I wasn't that familiar with my copier - just bought it, and the
operators manual does not tell you much about the operation of it.
Nothing on the error messages, nor did it mention that it shows "Copying
Down, power Down" 12 HOURS after it shows 100% copying 40GB drives.

It is a CSC HDS4000 IDE drive copier.

I've asked the factory if they have any more info on the duplicator that
they are willing to share, but considering that this was made in the 90s
they may not have anything left other than the operators manual PDF.

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