On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 09:24:32 -0400, TJ wrote:

Be aware that you aren't just taking on T-Mobile with this complaint.
You are taking on the entire computer industry. And the computer
industry has been doing this for a very long time. One of my first
computers, back in the mid-80's, was an Atari 800XL. It was advertised
as having 64K of RAM. It did, but only 48K was usable without special
manipulation which most users didn't know how to do. After a while, I
bought an aftermarket kit that boosted the RAM to 256K. I KNOW it had
256K, as I installed the chips myself. Even so, the new memory was only
available in 16K blocks and one at a time, through the same manipulation
used to access any more than the basic 48K.

Was it fraud to say I had a 256K computer when only 48K was easily
available? I didn't think so, because the full 256K was *usable*. It
just wasn't easy.

Another example from that era: Commodore 64, 64KB of memory, but when you
turn it on, it says "Commodore 64 Basic V2 38911 Basic Bytes Free". As
above, you could get to some of the additional memory through paging, but
I'm sure it was beyond most people at the time.

--
Paul Miner

On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 14:30:08 -0500, Paul Miner wrote:

Another example from that era: Commodore 64, 64KB of memory, but when you
turn it on, it says "Commodore 64 Basic V2 38911 Basic Bytes Free". As
above, you could get to some of the additional memory through paging, but
I'm sure it was beyond most people at the time.

Hi Paul,

Along those lines, it's currently beyond my capabilities, but, I may have
to root the 4GB phone (not that I really know what that entails) in order
to free up some of the 3.4 GB that is currently being used by the T-Mobile
Android 4.1.2, P76920h, LG Optimus L9 smartphone (model LG-P769).

Googling, I see that the rooting process is risky; but, if I faithfully
follow it, do you have any idea of what I can reasonably expect by way
of gains?

That is, can I only hope to free up 10 MB of memory? 20MB? 100MB? 1GB?

QUESTION:
If I root the phone, what can I reasonably expect to free up?

On Sat, 5 Apr 2014 20:09:39 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 14:30:08 -0500, Paul Miner wrote:

Another example from that era: Commodore 64, 64KB of memory, but when you
turn it on, it says "Commodore 64 Basic V2 38911 Basic Bytes Free". As
above, you could get to some of the additional memory through paging, but
I'm sure it was beyond most people at the time.

Hi Paul,

Along those lines, it's currently beyond my capabilities, but, I may have
to root the 4GB phone (not that I really know what that entails) in order
to free up some of the 3.4 GB that is currently being used by the T-Mobile
Android 4.1.2, P76920h, LG Optimus L9 smartphone (model LG-P769).

Googling, I see that the rooting process is risky; but, if I faithfully
follow it, do you have any idea of what I can reasonably expect by way
of gains?

That is, can I only hope to free up 10 MB of memory? 20MB? 100MB? 1GB?

QUESTION:
If I root the phone, what can I reasonably expect to free up?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2439667

The same site has a forum for the L9. People there can tell you
whatever you want to know.

On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 15:08:04 -0700, nobody wrote:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2439667

The same site has a forum for the L9. People there can tell you
whatever you want to know.

Thanks for that suggestion.

I've registered an account, and am voraciously reading up on how
to root this thing without bricking it.

I also see that cyanogenmod might give me a smaller Android
footprint, so, my overall goal might be three steps.

1. Root the phone
2. Replace the OS with a small cyanogenmod footprint
3. Add only the apps that I need or want

This might make the 600MB into a usable 2GB or so, if I'm
lucky ...

On 04/05/2014 10:27 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 15:08:04 -0700, nobody wrote:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2439667

The same site has a forum for the L9. People there can tell you
whatever you want to know.

Thanks for that suggestion.

I've registered an account, and am voraciously reading up on how
to root this thing without bricking it.

I also see that cyanogenmod might give me a smaller Android
footprint, so, my overall goal might be three steps.

1. Root the phone
2. Replace the OS with a small cyanogenmod footprint
3. Add only the apps that I need or want

This might make the 600MB into a usable 2GB or so, if I'm
lucky ...

Strong suggestion: Learn from your experience. Your basic problem came
from making assumptions without acquiring sufficient knowledge. In
short, you didn't do your homework before you acted.

That practice can be fatal to your phone if you act as root. I'm not
trying to scare you away from rooting your phone and doing what you
propose, as I know enough to know that I don't know enough to pass
judgment on your proposal. I'm only saying that you should be extremely
cautious. Find out the pitfalls (there are ALWAYS pitfalls) of what you
want to do, especially if you make a mistake.

I've been a Linux user for 12 years, and have acted as root on my own
systems many times. I don't fear it, but I have a healthy respect for
the power. I have messed things up royally, but not before I had a
recovery plan in place. Be aware that even with that experience, or
maybe because of it, I wouldn't attempt what you are proposing to do
unless it was either that or the recyclers for the phone, and even then
wouldn't attempt it after only a few minutes of online reading.

Also, make sure the online information you are reading is current -
information from as little as a year ago might now be outdated. Things
are developing that fast. Faster.

Good luck.

TJ

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 09:19:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

Strong suggestion: Learn from your experience.

The bad news is that nobody would buy this LG Optimus L9
if they truthfully advertised it's a 600MB phone for apps.

The result of that bad news is that I can't use the phone
as it is (i.e., out of the box), since it is a 600MB phone
for apps (even with the 32 GB SDcard).

So, the good news implication is that, even if I brick it,
I haven't lost anything, since the phone is worthless from
the get go.

All I can do is make a worthless phone less worthless or
more worthless, depending on the outcome of my cyanogenmod
efforts ...

I'm trying to line up my ducks with this tutorial:
http://www.androidrooting.com/how-to...9-very-easily/

On Sun, 6 Apr 2014 15:43:27 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 09:19:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

Strong suggestion: Learn from your experience.

The bad news is that nobody would buy this LG Optimus L9
if they truthfully advertised it's a 600MB phone for apps.

No, you wouldn't buy it if you had known that. Tens of thousands of
people own an L9 and don't see any significant number of them crying
fraud or deceptive practices. There's a reason it's a $180 phone and
not a $600 one.

The result of that bad news is that I can't use the phone
as it is (i.e., out of the box), since it is a 600MB phone
for apps (even with the 32 GB SDcard).

Yes you can use it for quite a few apps even with only 600MB ROM. You
want to use it for some apps that use an inordinate amount of space
for storing maps. My first Android phone had 1GB ROM and 512MB RAM.
It was usable for a lot of things. In fact I found the RAM size the
bigger problem. You can also have small footprint apps that will kill
the apps not currently running and take up space, freeing it for
something else. (I like Andorid Assistant)


So, the good news implication is that, even if I brick it,
I haven't lost anything, since the phone is worthless from
the get go.

You've lost the value of the phone on the market. Lots of people would
like to buy it as is. It's actually a lot of phone for it's price. I
have recommended this phone to over a dozen people because for their
meeds it's a great phone.


All I can do is make a worthless phone less worthless or
more worthless, depending on the outcome of my cyanogenmod
efforts ...

Or you could just sell it on eBay or Craigslist and cough up the extra
$299-300 for a phone that suits your needs.

I'm trying to line up my ducks with this tutorial:
http://www.androidrooting.com/how-to...9-very-easily/

And be sure you get one on how to restore the stock ROM if you ever
want to sell it.

On 04/06/2014 08:43 AM, Danny D. wrote:

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 09:19:11 -0400, TJ wrote:

Strong suggestion: Learn from your experience.

The bad news is that nobody would buy this LG Optimus L9
if they truthfully advertised it's a 600MB phone for apps.

The result of that bad news is that I can't use the phone
as it is (i.e., out of the box), since it is a 600MB phone
for apps (even with the 32 GB SDcard).

So, the good news implication is that, even if I brick it,
I haven't lost anything, since the phone is worthless from
the get go.

All I can do is make a worthless phone less worthless or
more worthless, depending on the outcome of my cyanogenmod
efforts ...

I'm trying to line up my ducks with this tutorial:
http://www.androidrooting.com/how-to...9-very-easily/

BUT FIRST find out how to restore its virginity in the event of failure!

--
Cheers,
Bev
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"I read about this syndrome called hypochondria in a
magazine. I think I've got it." -- DA