Hi,

I'm a bit puzzled by this blown power amp, as the design of these things is
not really my forte.

(I have posted the schematic over on alt.binaries.schematics.electronic)

The problem is around the two Lateral Mosfets Q16 and Q21 (EXC10N20 /
10P20).
R36 from drain to -70v is complete toast, R35 from the N channel to +70v is
OK.
R33 on the P channel gate is also fried, as is R30 on the other gate, but
not quite as drastically.

Now, R36 has been replaced before by someone, but I'm fairly sure they
didn't replace either of the Mosfets or any other components.
Also, none of the SCA / 2SC output devices or their emitter resistors appear
to be faulty, though I have so far just done a cursory check on these and
the usual suspects on a blown output stage.

I have removed both Mosfets, and on a (low voltage) Peak Component Tester,
and they show as both working, which may or may not prove a great deal
really.


Now, I had one of these in a few months ago, and came across a similar
fault, but only R36 AND R33 were burnt to a crisp, indicating I thought, a
blown P Mosfet.
Again this checked out as working on my Peak tester, but I ordered another
from Allen and Heath anyway, which actually took about 3 months to arrive.
Replacing the two resistors and the Mosfet effected a cure, and the unit has
not been brought back in again.


The question is, what failure mode might be causing these symptoms? I don't
fully understand what these Mosfets are actually doing in this circuit, or
whether something else in the circuit is causing these failures. Why is the
gate resistor on the N channel burnt?

Another major problem is actually getting these Mosfets - you can't, as far
as I can tell, and Allen and Heath no longer supply parts, instead having
subbed out parts supply to various "service centres", who can sell you a
complete amplifier PCB, but not individual components.


Sorry if this is a bit long winded.



Cheers,

Gareth

"Gareth Magennis"

The problem is around the two Lateral Mosfets Q16 and Q21 (EXC10N20 /
10P20).

Another major problem is actually getting these Mosfets - you can't, as
far as I can tell, and Allen and Heath no longer supply parts,

** Semelab BUZ901P and BUX906P are the same devices made in the same
factory.

http://uk.farnell.com/semelab/buz901...83?Ntt=buz901p

http://uk.farnell.com/semelab/buz906...85?Ntt=buz906p

Can you post that schem somewhere other than ABSE ??

Like most here, I have no access.


...... Phil

"Phil Allison"
"Gareth Magennis"

The problem is around the two Lateral Mosfets Q16 and Q21 (EXC10N20 /
10P20).

Another major problem is actually getting these Mosfets - you can't, as
far as I can tell, and Allen and Heath no longer supply parts,


** You did not look very hard ..

http://www.profusionplc.com/pro/gex/...teral%20mosfet

The " R " suffix is of no consequence for your amp, just an improved
version.


.... Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Gareth Magennis"

The problem is around the two Lateral Mosfets Q16 and Q21 (EXC10N20 /
10P20).

Another major problem is actually getting these Mosfets - you can't, as
far as I can tell, and Allen and Heath no longer supply parts,

** Semelab BUZ901P and BUX906P are the same devices made in the same
factory.

http://uk.farnell.com/semelab/buz901...83?Ntt=buz901p

http://uk.farnell.com/semelab/buz906...85?Ntt=buz906p

Can you post that schem somewhere other than ABSE ??

Like most here, I have no access.


..... Phil





Thanks, that's some of the info I was hoping for.

http://postimage.org/image/4zramf0lh/


Gareth.

Phil Allison wrote:

"Gareth Magennis"

The problem is around the two Lateral Mosfets Q16 and Q21 (EXC10N20 /
10P20).

Another major problem is actually getting these Mosfets - you can't, as
far as I can tell, and Allen and Heath no longer supply parts,

** Semelab BUZ901P and BUX906P are the same devices made in the same
factory.

http://uk.farnell.com/semelab/buz901...83?Ntt=buz901p

http://uk.farnell.com/semelab/buz906...85?Ntt=buz906p

Can you post that schem somewhere other than ABSE ??

Like most here, I have no access.

..... Phil


You can access ABSE at this URL, but someone flooded the group with a
couple gigabytes of outdated software and the post may not be there.
Also, it can take days for a message to appear, but it's better than
nothing.

http://www.usenet-replayer.com/cgi/content/vsq?days=1&groups=alt.binaries.schematics.electron ic



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Gareth Magennis wrote in message
...
Hi,

I'm a bit puzzled by this blown power amp, as the design of these things
is
not really my forte.

(I have posted the schematic over on alt.binaries.schematics.electronic)

The problem is around the two Lateral Mosfets Q16 and Q21 (EXC10N20 /
10P20).
R36 from drain to -70v is complete toast, R35 from the N channel to +70v
is
OK.
R33 on the P channel gate is also fried, as is R30 on the other gate, but
not quite as drastically.

Now, R36 has been replaced before by someone, but I'm fairly sure they
didn't replace either of the Mosfets or any other components.
Also, none of the SCA / 2SC output devices or their emitter resistors
appear
to be faulty, though I have so far just done a cursory check on these and
the usual suspects on a blown output stage.

I have removed both Mosfets, and on a (low voltage) Peak Component Tester,
and they show as both working, which may or may not prove a great deal
really.


Now, I had one of these in a few months ago, and came across a similar
fault, but only R36 AND R33 were burnt to a crisp, indicating I thought, a
blown P Mosfet.
Again this checked out as working on my Peak tester, but I ordered another
from Allen and Heath anyway, which actually took about 3 months to arrive.
Replacing the two resistors and the Mosfet effected a cure, and the unit
has
not been brought back in again.


The question is, what failure mode might be causing these symptoms? I
don't
fully understand what these Mosfets are actually doing in this circuit, or
whether something else in the circuit is causing these failures. Why is
the
gate resistor on the N channel burnt?

Another major problem is actually getting these Mosfets - you can't, as
far
as I can tell, and Allen and Heath no longer supply parts, instead having
subbed out parts supply to various "service centres", who can sell you a
complete amplifier PCB, but not individual components.


Sorry if this is a bit long winded.



Cheers,

Gareth



Can you repost schematic as gif/pdf or whatever on a regular hosting site

Schematic is he

http://postimage.org/image/4zramf0lh/





Gareth.

"Gareth Magennis"
Schematic is he

http://postimage.org/image/4zramf0lh/


** Comes up blank.



..... Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Gareth Magennis"
Schematic is he

http://postimage.org/image/4zramf0lh/


** Comes up blank.



.... Phil





Hmm, not much good at this, I think that was an HTML link, works on my PC
though.

Try this, might actually be a picture.

http://s17.postimage.org/3o3gjr0z3/pa_cp_amplifier.jpg


Gareth.

"Gareth Magennis

http://postimage.org/image/4zramf0lh/


** Comes up blank.


Hmm, not much good at this, I think that was an HTML link, works on my PC
though.

Try this, might actually be a picture.

http://s17.postimage.org/3o3gjr0z3/pa_cp_amplifier.jpg


** Blank again.


.... Phil

On Wed, 23 May 2012 18:19:37 +1000, "Phil Allison"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Try this, might actually be a picture.

http://s17.postimage.org/3o3gjr0z3/pa_cp_amplifier.jpg


** Blank again.

I can see it, but the resolution is crap.

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