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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
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I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
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I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Tobacco-smoke tar is one of the more difficult gunks to remove (Consumer Reports used to use it as their "difficult" contaminant, when testing glass cleaners). Unfortunately, washing the exterior of the cabinet and the tube leaves you with an uneasy choice... cleaners which are strong enough to strip the tobacco tar, may mar the plastic case or (perhaps) whatever anti-glare coating was placed on the front of the tube. Fresh air and sunlight is probably your best bet. The UV in sunlight helps break down the tobacco tar and the volatile materials which cause the odor, and the heat helps volatize what's left and let it blow away. I remember reading of one service outlet which had a standard practice, when they got in a tape deck or receiver which smelled of cigarette smoke - they'd take off the cover and leave it out in the noonday sun for several days before working on it. This isn't the right time of year for lots of sunlight, alas, and opening up the interior of a flat-screen TV to allow sunlight to penetrate the insides may not be feasible. My guess is your best bet, at this point, is to clean the exterior of the cabinet with a general-purpose liquid household cleanser (test it in an inconspicuous spot on the back to make sure it's not damaging the surface), and clean the glass front with whatever sort of glass cleanser the manufacturer recommends. Don't spray liquid on it, or use a soaking-wet rag to use the cleaning... just dampen a clean rag and then wipe... you don't want to get liquid into the interior. Then, put it in your garage, aim a big fan at it, and blow air on it for several days... dissipate as much of the odor as you can that way. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee I've seen one TV stink when new out of the box. I think it was a fairly large Vizio, but I don't recall the model number. Near as I can guess(tm), it's lint and styrofoam from the packing material getting into parts of the PCB that are getting hot. Ignite some packing and styrofoam and compare the stench with the TV. The smell went away after a few days. I tried opening the back and removing the crud with an air hose, which turned into a waste of time because the lint was baked into the components and would not move. Some options: 1. If it's really a new TV, then it shouldn't stink. Exchange it for a different unit. That's what warranties are for. 2. Open the back and clean up whatever is stinking. If you happen to have a $3000 FLIR infrared imager, you'll be able to see what's getting hot or smoking. 3. Let it cook for a few days and see what happens. It will either fix itself, burn down the house, or create a warranty issue. Check your homeowners insurance to see if damage from flaming HDTV's are covered. Everything else should be covered by the manufacturers or the stores warranty. -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 # http://802.11junk.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:41:53 +0000, Keith wrote:
I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. If you're talking about tobacco smoke smell (or any kind really), try Awesome Orange cleaner. It works better than anything I've ever used to get tobacco stains and smells off anything. I wouldn't use it on the inside though. If the smell is inside, remove the components, spray, wash, and dry them and re-install. |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
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... All: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee Assuming the smoke source is now gone, I've not tried this though. "shake n' vac" or Bentonite or whatever that microporous volcanic mineral is. Scatter inside, leave for a few days, take outdoors and blow it out. |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote: All: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee Been through this many times; 1) Clean the exterior thoroughly with Windex and paper towels. 2) Get a Sharper Image 'Ionic Breeze' air purifier. It produces ozone, which will kill virtually any household odor. A_C |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
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Luckily for me, the smoke smell seems to be disappearing. I hope it will be gone within a few days. BTW, what do any of you think of using vinegar on a tobacco smoke smelling object? Thank you. Keith |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Imho: there is a very simple, common and rather safe solution (no pun intended). Over here (the Netherlands) it goes by the name Biotex. That's an enzymes attacking laundry detergent (or something like that. Housekeeping-english is not my forte :-) Anyway, just some clothes and the washing solution. Works like a charm. (Well, as far as cleaning can go.) -- Kind regards, Gerard Bok |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
Keith wrote:
All: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee You should never let the smoke out of electronic components. They will fail to work afterwards. |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Keith wrote:
All: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee Hi Keith you sure were a great player for Memphis State...before the heroin kicked in. -- Don't **** with me. I'm tuff. And stupid but don't dare **** with me. |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
Jeff Liebermann wrote in
: On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 01:41:53 +0000 (UTC), Keith wrote: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee I've seen one TV stink when new out of the box. I think it was a fairly large Vizio, but I don't recall the model number. Near as I can guess(tm), it's lint and styrofoam from the packing material getting into parts of the PCB that are getting hot. Ignite some packing and styrofoam and compare the stench with the TV. The smell went away after a few days. I tried opening the back and removing the crud with an air hose, which turned into a waste of time because the lint was baked into the components and would not move. Some options: 1. If it's really a new TV, then it shouldn't stink. Exchange it for a different unit. That's what warranties are for. 2. Open the back and clean up whatever is stinking. If you happen to have a $3000 FLIR infrared imager, you'll be able to see what's getting hot or smoking. 3. Let it cook for a few days and see what happens. It will either fix itself, burn down the house, or create a warranty issue. Check your homeowners insurance to see if damage from flaming HDTV's are covered. Everything else should be covered by the manufacturers or the stores warranty. electronics used around smokers develop a smelly grunge film that needs to be WASHED OFF,and then dried for several days,preferably in a drying oven. I did a lot of that while I was at Tektronix. It sometimes was so thick that you could see the brownish yellow gunk running off as you rinsed the unit. that gunk also attracts and hold other dirt and grime.it's NASTY. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
On Dec 7, 5:41*pm, Keith wrote:
All: *I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Alkaline cleaning solutions attack smoke residue. I've had good result (on plastic, NEVER ALUMINUM) with a teaspoon of lye in a quart of soapy water. Dishwasher detergent (contains sodium carbonate) is also a good bet. Rinse with (deioinized or distilled preferably) water. The only safe solvent for most of the electronics, though, will be alcohol (denatured alcohol is best, isopropyl also good) but watch out for plastics other than epoxy and mylar and vinyl. The boards that take soldering temperature all will tolerate alcohol cleaning. |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:08:02 -0600, Jim Yanik
wrote: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee Note that the original question sorta hinted that this is a NEW Samsung TV. "Great Deal" around Christmas time usually means he bought it on sale somewhere. Unless someone at the factory smokes, I doubt if the TV had time to accumulate enough tar and crud to stink. electronics used around smokers develop a smelly grunge film that needs to be WASHED OFF,and then dried for several days,preferably in a drying oven. Yep. My method is to use common 90% alcohol and give it a bath. If immersion is possible, I do it. Hitting it with a hot water spray, to wash off the ionic contaminants, water soluble flux residue, and general accumulate crud, is not beneath my dignity. The trick is to immediately blow dry the boards with an air compressor (with a dryer filter attached). If there's something involved that's porous (wood or press board cabinetry) or can't be washed (paper speaker cones), then I have to let it air dry for a few days. Otherwise, the smell is usually gone with the blow dry. I did a lot of that while I was at Tektronix. It sometimes was so thick that you could see the brownish yellow gunk running off as you rinsed the unit. Yep. To keep my office/shop clean, I won't let anything inside until the dust has been blown out and all the crud removed. I clean everything, even if I later decide that it's not worth repairing. that gunk also attracts and hold other dirt and grime.it's NASTY. Yep. For the ultimate mess, I have to deal with a machine shop that uses various plastic case laptops and PC's near the machines. Hot chips melt and imbed themselves in the plastic parts. Oil, dust, and dirt adds to the mess. I usually have to scrape the case for chips with a putty knife before I can safely move it. I wanted to baptize the PC in the vapor degreaser, but the owner wouldn't let me. Another fun mess are kids laptops that are literally wallpapered with stickers, pogs, and stick-on skins. All the sticky back stuff can be removed with some solvent or other, but there's no solvent that will reliably remove all the different types of sticky glue. -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 # http://802.11junk.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
Keith wrote:
All: Luckily for me, the smoke smell seems to be disappearing. I hope it will be gone within a few days. BTW, what do any of you think of using vinegar on a tobacco smoke smelling object? Thank you. Keith Windex (or generic equivalent) works better. -- Les Cargill |
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"Keith" wrote in message ... All: Luckily for me, the smoke smell seems to be disappearing. I hope it will be gone within a few days. BTW, what do any of you think of using vinegar on a tobacco smoke smelling object? Thank you. Keith Best place for the vinegar, is on the chips ... That's a joke for the Eastpondians :-) Arfa |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
On Dec 8, 2:41*am, Keith wrote:
All: *I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, When we fetched our car from the mechanic, we could smell his pipe- smoke several days inside the "non-smoker-car." He has lost 1200 customers on that account. He is inseperable from his trusted pipe. We on our part enjoyed the reminicense of our trusted mechanic which we had returned to after some years with "factory service." After 3 days the smell disapeared. No harme done. Which detergent removed tolerance and flexibility? Jens |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
Jeff Liebermann wrote in message
... On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:08:02 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee Note that the original question sorta hinted that this is a NEW Samsung TV. "Great Deal" around Christmas time usually means he bought it on sale somewhere. Unless someone at the factory smokes, I doubt if the TV had time to accumulate enough tar and crud to stink. electronics used around smokers develop a smelly grunge film that needs to be WASHED OFF,and then dried for several days,preferably in a drying oven. Yep. My method is to use common 90% alcohol and give it a bath. If immersion is possible, I do it. Hitting it with a hot water spray, to wash off the ionic contaminants, water soluble flux residue, and general accumulate crud, is not beneath my dignity. The trick is to immediately blow dry the boards with an air compressor (with a dryer filter attached). If there's something involved that's porous (wood or press board cabinetry) or can't be washed (paper speaker cones), then I have to let it air dry for a few days. Otherwise, the smell is usually gone with the blow dry. I did a lot of that while I was at Tektronix. It sometimes was so thick that you could see the brownish yellow gunk running off as you rinsed the unit. Yep. To keep my office/shop clean, I won't let anything inside until the dust has been blown out and all the crud removed. I clean everything, even if I later decide that it's not worth repairing. that gunk also attracts and hold other dirt and grime.it's NASTY. Yep. For the ultimate mess, I have to deal with a machine shop that uses various plastic case laptops and PC's near the machines. Hot chips melt and imbed themselves in the plastic parts. Oil, dust, and dirt adds to the mess. I usually have to scrape the case for chips with a putty knife before I can safely move it. I wanted to baptize the PC in the vapor degreaser, but the owner wouldn't let me. Another fun mess are kids laptops that are literally wallpapered with stickers, pogs, and stick-on skins. All the sticky back stuff can be removed with some solvent or other, but there's no solvent that will reliably remove all the different types of sticky glue. -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 # http://802.11junk.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS Hot air gun ,low heat setting, has removed all gum based stickers that I've come across except some 10 year or older that must have some sort of chemical welding process into the underlying plastic over time |
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Well, I used vinegar on a cloth on the outside of the TV and vinegar in a bowl overnight. Also, I tried opening up the windows for a few hours a day. So far, the smell does seem to be dissipating. When I mentioned it was new, I believe that I stated that it was almost new. It seems that the previous owner smokes Marlboro regulars. Every question I asked him about, and I forget that one. :-) I cannot access the inside of the TV where the smell seems to be covering from most of all. I will have to wait until the smell completely dissipates or get a mechanic to take it apart, clean it out, and then put it back to together. Thank you to all who gave me these great ideas. Keith Lee |
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:42:51 -0000, "N_Cook" wrote:
Hot air gun ,low heat setting, has removed all gum based stickers that I've come across except some 10 year or older that must have some sort of chemical welding process into the underlying plastic over time I damaged a laptop LCD cover while using a hot air gun to remove some stickers. Hot air works great on metal surfaces (i.e. removing bumper stickers and pinstriping from automobiles), but I haven't done so well when I tried it on a laptop. My guess(tm) is that there's insufficient difference in temperature between where the adhesive melts, and where the plastic begins to melt. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Removing smoking smell out of electronics?
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Actually the smell is a cross between some tobacco odor and a musky smell. It is coming from the inside of the TV especially when it is on. Any ideas about what this could be? Keith Lee |
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 22:50:36 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote: Actually the smell is a cross between some tobacco odor and a musky smell. It is coming from the inside of the TV especially when it is on. Any ideas about what this could be? Keith Lee Is this a new TV or a fairly old TV? If old, you might ask the seller where he was living and under what conditions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musk My guess(tm) is the cancer candidate, that trashed the TV with tobacco volatiles, was burning exotic tobacco blends, possibly in a wooden pipe. If so, you have a major cleanup operation ahead. -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831-336-2558 # http://802.11junk.com # http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS |
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Jeff:
No, from what he emailed me last night, he barely used this one year old TV during the past year. The odors I am smelling smells more like new plastic. I will just have to break in this TV and smell the odors dissipate. Keith Lee |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:11:10 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote: No, from what he emailed me last night, he barely used this one year old TV during the past year. The odors I am smelling smells more like new plastic. I will just have to break in this TV and smell the odors dissipate. Keith Lee Presumably you asked if he previous owner noticed the smell and had a clue as to its source. Also, it's considered good form to supply the model number. Ok, so this TV is NOT new and was "barely used" for a year. The TV does not need to be turned on in order to accumulate a tobacco smell, or a musky smell for household pets and critters. If it's tobacco, the outside of the TV will accumulate more tar than the inside. Spray some household cleaner on any obscure or hidden part of the case, and wipe with a clean while paper towel. If it's tobacco, you'll see a rather thick accumulation of brown stain on the towel. Wait a few minutes for the volatiles in the cleaner to dissipate and smell the paper towel. If it's tobacco, it will be obvious. I couldn't find a suitable litmus paper type of test for the presence of tobacco tar. Burning plastic smells quite differently from tobacco or musk. I suggest you heat some scrap plastic in order to establish a reference smell. In general, plastic will melt before it starts to outgas, so expect to find some damage inside if it's burning plastic. I've used a rubberized plastic hose or soda straw to isolate smoking components in the past. Stuff one end into your nose and wave the other end around the board until the source of the smell is identified. I successfully used this to find a smoking tantalum capacitor inside a Compaq server power supply. Don't inhale too much as many such burning components are toxic. "Breaking In" the TV might not be a great idea. If it's a swollen electrolytic capacitor getting hot (and melting nearby components), letting it continue until it blows will probably cause some additional damage in the power supply area. http://gallery.markheadrick.com/home-theater/Bad_Capacitors_from_Samsung_LN52A650 -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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"Keith" wrote in message ... All: I just a got great deal on a Samsung 32" HDTV. The only issue is the smoke smell. Is there a way I can get it off and out of my new HDTV without ruining the TV? Thank you. Keith Lee The smell of stale tobacco smoke is one of the aromas that the human nose is most sensitive to... literally 1 part per billion. A combination of partially oxidized heterocyclic nitrogen compounds with a tiny bit of sulfur malodors thrown in. Yum. Chemically, it takes a pretty strong oxidizer to actually destroy the smell, so that's out for electronics. Be advised that many plastics are VERY permeable to the odor molecules and the case may act as an odor reservoir for a long time if it has been exposed to smoke for long periods... even if their surfaces are clean. Glass is impermeable, so no worries there. However, the thin layer of tar that condenses on surfaces around smokers is the main source of the odorants, so you have to get as much as that off as you can. I would disassemble the case and clean the INTERIOR plastic surfaces with plastic friendly cleaners first, followed by clorox/water or clorox wipes (strong enough to react the odorants). Don't try to clean the circuit boards or cables. Too risky. Rinse/wipe the case well with clean water afterwards, as you REALLY don't want those chlorine molecules anywhere near your copper circuit boards, even though they are "protected" with a conformal plastic film. Unfortunately, the clorox wipes may discolor the plastic, so don't do it on the outside of the case. Cleaning the outside surfaces with a plastic friendly cleaner will physically remove the tars that hold and trap the odor there as well. Strong UV can photochemically accellerate the oxidation in air, but UV strong enough to do that would also affect most plastics, particularly silicone rubber seals. So attacking them is not a great idea for long life. The better approach is to either cook the smell out more rapidly by running (and exhausting) clean warm air through the enclosure or to capture the aroma molecules by trapping them on other larger molecules/substrates that don't evaporate... like activated charcoal (available in big bags in pet stores for fish tanks). Putting a small porous fabric bag full of ACTIVATED charcoal in or near the case would capture odor on the move. Bentonite or other expanded clays work too, just not as well. You will be surprised how much odor charcoal can scavenge and hold. You can try to cover up the smell too, for some reason, raspberry is more effective than most aromas in covering tobacco smoke. Vanilla works a bit too. Either that or take up smoking or invite over smoking friends to stink up your place, so you can't smell the TV anymore. Sorry for the Cliff Clavin approach here, but I actually worked on this odorant chemistry in a previous professional life. |
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DS:
Actually, the smell has dissipated. There is a slight plastic smell but only if you get close to the TV and smell behind it. Even that seems to be dissipating. Thank goodness. Now, I have a year old TV for less then half it's price then and more than 1/3 off it's new price today. :-) Keith Lee |
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Oh yes, thank you to those who gave me their advice. :-) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Keith |
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