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Adjusting convergence on Sony Trinitron monitor
Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube.
In so doing I seem to have knocked the convergence out of whack, even though I was really careful vacuuming around the CRT. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Are there any other convergence controls I could adjust to get it closer, like pots on one of the boards? Or how about trying to tweak the deflection coils a tiny bit? This monitor is on its last legs, so I'm not going to be investing a lot (in terms of time, and $0 in money) in it. I'd just like to know if I can get a few more weeks or months of use out of it. Pity, really: when it worked well, this was an outstanding monitor. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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Adjusting convergence on Sony Trinitron monitor
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:25:26 -0800
David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. In so doing I seem to have knocked the convergence out of whack, even though I was really careful vacuuming around the CRT. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Try demagnetizing it first, especially if your monitor has a built-in degaussing button. The next step is to degauss with an external demagnitizer. There are TV degaussing coils for this (check Ebay), but you might be able to make do with something like a bulk tape eraser if you already have one. Color convergence problems will show up as red, blue or green outlines and/or duplicate images - like when the colors don't align on newspaper comic sections. If the ghosts you see are not in different colors, then it is not a convergence problem. The focus control is often very easy to unintentionally turn although a misadjusted focus control generally causes blurriness rather than ghosts. Cheers, Mike Shell |
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Adjusting convergence on Sony Trinitron monitor
On 2/27/2010 9:48 PM Michael Shell spake thus:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:25:26 -0800 David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. In so doing I seem to have knocked the convergence out of whack, even though I was really careful vacuuming around the CRT. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Try demagnetizing it first, especially if your monitor has a built-in degaussing button. The next step is to degauss with an external demagnitizer. There are TV degaussing coils for this (check Ebay), but you might be able to make do with something like a bulk tape eraser if you already have one. No bulk eraser, but I do have a couple of tape head demagnetizers; wonder if they'd do any good. But the monitor has a built-in degausser anyhow. Color convergence problems will show up as red, blue or green outlines and/or duplicate images - like when the colors don't align on newspaper comic sections. If the ghosts you see are not in different colors, then it is not a convergence problem. The focus control is often very easy to unintentionally turn although a misadjusted focus control generally causes blurriness rather than ghosts. It's definitely a convergence problem. I can see the colors shifting when I adjust the on-screen convergence control, but not far enough to eliminate the ghosts (which are definitely in different colors). The focus is fine. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it
cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. My ViewSonic with a Diamondtron CRT also has two on-screen convergence controls. However, I suspect they're for tweaking. There are almost certianly other convergence controls within the monitor. You probably kocked one loose (so to speak) during cleaing. |
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"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com... On 2/27/2010 9:48 PM Michael Shell spake thus: On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:25:26 -0800 David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. In so doing I seem to have knocked the convergence out of whack, even though I was really careful vacuuming around the CRT. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Try demagnetizing it first, especially if your monitor has a built-in degaussing button. The next step is to degauss with an external demagnitizer. There are TV degaussing coils for this (check Ebay), but you might be able to make do with something like a bulk tape eraser if you already have one. No bulk eraser, but I do have a couple of tape head demagnetizers; wonder if they'd do any good. But the monitor has a built-in degausser anyhow. Color convergence problems will show up as red, blue or green outlines and/or duplicate images - like when the colors don't align on newspaper comic sections. If the ghosts you see are not in different colors, then it is not a convergence problem. The focus control is often very easy to unintentionally turn although a misadjusted focus control generally causes blurriness rather than ghosts. It's definitely a convergence problem. I can see the colors shifting when I adjust the on-screen convergence control, but not far enough to eliminate the ghosts (which are definitely in different colors). The focus is fine. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" If it does relate to degaussing, the built-in coil, while not strong enough to fix it on one or two tries, might get the job done over the course of time, which is to say, a certain number of degauss cycles. Sony CRT's can be damaged by conventional hand held coils, though in practice I've not seen this happen. I think that particular caution only applied to their larger CRT's. Mark Z. |
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Adjusting convergence on Sony Trinitron monitor
Michael Shell wrote in
news:20100228004851.0c71229b@bashir: On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:25:26 -0800 David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. In so doing I seem to have knocked the convergence out of whack, even though I was really careful vacuuming around the CRT. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Try demagnetizing it first, especially if your monitor has a built-in degaussing button. The next step is to degauss with an external demagnitizer. There are TV degaussing coils for this (check Ebay), but you might be able to make do with something like a bulk tape eraser if you already have one. Color convergence problems will show up as red, blue or green outlines and/or duplicate images - like when the colors don't align on newspaper comic sections. If the ghosts you see are not in different colors, then it is not a convergence problem. The focus control is often very easy to unintentionally turn although a misadjusted focus control generally causes blurriness rather than ghosts. Cheers, Mike Shell first,there's a difference between "convergence" and "purity". when setting up a CRT,you first adjust purity,by displaying a red screen and adjusting yoke magnets for even color and no green or blue areas. But before that,you degauss with an EXTERNAL coil,as the internal coils are not powerful enough. Convergence is adjusted by displaying a crosshatch or dot grid and adjusting the appropriate controls to merge the R-G-B lines or dots to make white lines or dots. On some sets,you may also have to use adhesive magnet strips to achieve decent convergence in the corners.I used to do this at Tektronix on their 650 and 670 series monitors. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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Adjusting convergence on Sony Trinitron monitor
Mark Zacharias Inscribed thus:
"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message .com... On 2/27/2010 9:48 PM Michael Shell spake thus: On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:25:26 -0800 David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. In so doing I seem to have knocked the convergence out of whack, even though I was really careful vacuuming around the CRT. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Try demagnetizing it first, especially if your monitor has a built-in degaussing button. The next step is to degauss with an external demagnitizer. There are TV degaussing coils for this (check Ebay), but you might be able to make do with something like a bulk tape eraser if you already have one. No bulk eraser, but I do have a couple of tape head demagnetizers; wonder if they'd do any good. But the monitor has a built-in degausser anyhow. Color convergence problems will show up as red, blue or green outlines and/or duplicate images - like when the colors don't align on newspaper comic sections. If the ghosts you see are not in different colors, then it is not a convergence problem. The focus control is often very easy to unintentionally turn although a misadjusted focus control generally causes blurriness rather than ghosts. It's definitely a convergence problem. I can see the colors shifting when I adjust the on-screen convergence control, but not far enough to eliminate the ghosts (which are definitely in different colors). The focus is fine. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" If it does relate to degaussing, the built-in coil, while not strong enough to fix it on one or two tries, might get the job done over the course of time, which is to say, a certain number of degauss cycles. Sony CRT's can be damaged by conventional hand held coils, though in practice I've not seen this happen. I think that particular caution only applied to their larger CRT's. Mark Z. Simply rotating the screen 15 - 20 degrees is enough to cause colour patches to come and go in the corners on my Trinitron tubed iiyama. The Trinitron tubes seem to be very sensitive to any magnetic disturbance. -- Best Regards: Baron. |
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On Feb 27, 10:32*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/27/2010 9:48 PM Michael Shell spake thus: On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:25:26 -0800 David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. In so doing I seem to have knocked the convergence out of whack, even though I was really careful vacuuming around the CRT. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Try demagnetizing it first, especially if your monitor has a built-in degaussing button. The next step is to degauss with an external demagnitizer. There are TV degaussing coils for this (check Ebay), but you might be able to make do with something like a bulk tape eraser if you already have one. No bulk eraser, but I do have a couple of tape head demagnetizers; wonder if they'd do any good. But the monitor has a built-in degausser anyhow. Color convergence problems will show up as red, blue or green outlines and/or duplicate images - like when the colors don't align on newspaper comic sections. If the ghosts you see are not in different colors, then it is not a convergence problem. The focus control is often very easy to unintentionally turn although a misadjusted focus control generally causes blurriness rather than ghosts. It's definitely a convergence problem. I can see the colors shifting when I adjust the on-screen convergence control, but not far enough to eliminate the ghosts (which are definitely in different colors). The focus is fine. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" In a pinch, you can use a cheap AC powered pencil sharpener. I once had to do this and the convergence was actually better than it had ever been before. Except, be careful, or you can permanently warp the nickel shield/ mask. Approach degaussing cautiously |
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Adjusting convergence on Sony Trinitron monitor
On Feb 28, 8:41*am, Meat Plow wrote:
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:25:26 -0800, David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Are there any other convergence controls If it has static adjustments on the neck of the crt you may have disturbed those. I second that. So, center the 'onscreen' convergence controls, degauss, then power up with the back of the monitor off, display a white-grid-on-black- background pattern, and adjust the ring magnets (usually nearer the electron gun, in the form of a pair of rings with tabs). Tabs apart gives higher field, rotating both rings together changes the direction. It's tedious, but rewarding. There also may be small magnets glued around the yoke (closer to the screen) that do fine corrections. |
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On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:25:26 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. In so doing I seem to have knocked the convergence out of whack, even though I was really careful vacuuming around the CRT. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Are there any other convergence controls I could adjust to get it closer, like pots on one of the boards? Or how about trying to tweak the deflection coils a tiny bit? This monitor is on its last legs, so I'm not going to be investing a lot (in terms of time, and $0 in money) in it. I'd just like to know if I can get a few more weeks or months of use out of it. Pity, really: when it worked well, this was an outstanding monitor. See if it has an hstat control. If it does adjust it for good convergence. Chuck |
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If you physically moved any of the ring magnets, you will have to make
sure they are put back exactly how they were before moving them. You can make all the control adjustments you want, and the convergence cannot go back unless the magnets are properly re-set. There is a proper procedure to do convergence alignment that requires proper training to get this right. This is too involved to describe in the scope of an email. These magnets affect both the convergence and purity alignment. Jerry G ______________________________ On Feb 27, 11:25*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. In so doing I seem to have knocked the convergence out of whack, even though I was really careful vacuuming around the CRT. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. Are there any other convergence controls I could adjust to get it closer, like pots on one of the boards? Or how about trying to tweak the deflection coils a tiny bit? This monitor is on its last legs, so I'm not going to be investing a lot (in terms of time, and $0 in money) in it. I'd just like to know if I can get a few more weeks or months of use out of it. Pity, really: when it worked well, this was an outstanding monitor. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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On 2/28/2010 11:36 AM whit3rd spake thus:
On Feb 28, 8:41 am, Meat Plow wrote: On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:25:26 -0800, David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, I tried cleaning the dust out of my Dell-branded Trinitron tube. There's an on-screen convergence control, but even with it cranked all the way over (to 100/100 for the horizontal control, 76 for the vertical), there are still highly visible "ghosts" on screen. If it has static adjustments on the neck of the crt you may have disturbed those. I second that. So, center the 'onscreen' convergence controls, degauss, then power up with the back of the monitor off, display a white-grid-on-black- background pattern, and adjust the ring magnets (usually nearer the electron gun, in the form of a pair of rings with tabs). Tabs apart gives higher field, rotating both rings together changes the direction. It's tedious, but rewarding. There also may be small magnets glued around the yoke (closer to the screen) that do fine corrections. So I'm curious about this adjustment procedure. Are you saying you can do this--safely--with the tube powered up? How are the ring magnets secured--screw clamps or some such? I assume these are around the neck of the CRT, right? As long as they're far, far away from any HV, I'm considering trying this. Nothing to lose except this monitor which is dying anyway. So do you loosen the magnet, move it, then retighten? More details, pleeze. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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So I'm curious about this adjustment procedure. Are you saying
you can do this--safely--with the tube powered up? How are the ring magnets secured--screw clamps or some such? Techs have been doing this for 56 years with the tube "powered up". How would you do it otherwise? |
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On 3/16/2010 3:33 AM William Sommerwerck spake thus:
[I wrote:] So I'm curious about this adjustment procedure. Are you saying you can do this--safely--with the tube powered up? How are the ring magnets secured--screw clamps or some such? Techs have been doing this for 56 years with the tube "powered up". How would you do it otherwise? Wellll, I'm not a "tech" (and I see no shame in admitting it), so that's why I'm asking. Thanks for the confirmation, though. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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