I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

"DaveC" wrote in message
...
I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

http://www.restockit.com/4-Angled-Fc... 1&Bvar7=100F1

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:31:18 -0500, "Rich." wrote:


"DaveC" wrote in message
al-september.org...
I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.


Jeez, for $27 plus tax and shipping? Damn. For about $5 more, you can
simply buy the best steel in the world. Lindstrom.

If you are putting out that much already, what is adding 5% for a
twofold gain in quality?

If you do not want to spend that much, the cheap Xcelite, and Plato
brands, etc. are the right choice, and you shouldn't spend more than $12
each for a ten pack of them. Also worth it. If you are buying the
cheaper brands, you should buy at least two, if not the ten pack, because
they will wear due to the softer steels used. The Swiss brand will last
forever or until you break them via some form of abuse or other.

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:29 -0800, DaveC wrote:

I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave


Such tools are still around, but I have never seen a flush cutter that
had a half inch long cutting jaw. Ever.

Try hunting up Lindstrom on ebay if you want the absolute best Swiss
steel hand tools. Not cheap.

Alternatively, Xcelite dies still exist and they as well as a few other
inhabit the bottom of the market, from a quality POV.

Regular flush cutters are cheap steel, don't last long, and only cost
about $8 each, so they get bought by the case in boxes of ten.

The angled pair are usually single sales items though. The bottom end
has them for about $5 more each, and the top end has them at a similar
price to all the others because they are all expensive at that level.

They are also worth it.

If you want a pair that will last decades, and is fully serviceable,
and uses the hardest steel and tightest tolerances, Lindstrom shares no
equal. Well worth the typical $35 - $55 a pair.

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:29:29 -0800, DaveC wrote:

I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave


Lindstrom Precision seems to have some choices:
http://www.restockit.com/4-Angled-Fc... 1&Bvar7=100F1

perhaps model 7280 or model 7285
Expensive: I found US$73 for 7280, US$110 for 7285,

http://rocky.digikey.com/weblib/Coop...%20Catalog.pdf
449 (54 of 122) Xcelite Diagonal End Cutter Pliers
Angled Diagonal End Cutter, GA54J and GA5A4JV
(packaging difference only) maybe US$23

450 (55 of 122) has
Angled Head Cutter EGA54J,
Transverse End Cutter EC54{J,JV} - may not be shape you want.
Maybe $US36
Angled Tip Cutter LC665{J,JV} maybe US$27

All cost estimates from www.froogle.com; all price estimates are
probably exclusive of handling, shipping, taxes, etc.

One big difference in these types of tools, is whether they are made from
sheet steel stampings, or forged steel.
The forged steel versions typically last for decades, but cost more.

I have some miniature forged steel flush cutting pliers sold by Snap-On
which have handles that are nearly 90 degrees to the cutting edges. The
cutting jaws are fairly small, and project outward to one side. The reach of
the cutting edges allows them to reach under obstructions by about 1/4".
Some other forged steel flush cutting models I have were made by Hunter.
Several are the typical cutters which have the cutting edges in a straight
line to the handles, but a couple pair have the cutting edges at nearly 45
degrees, which make it possible to reach slightly under certain
obstructions.

I think that flush cutting is always better than the common beveled cutting
edges. Cutting requires less effort, and there's less distortion of the
material that's just "pinched off" by common beveled jaws.

--
Cheers,
WB
..............


"DaveC" wrote in message
...
I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut
desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:09:30 -0500, "Wild_Bill"
wrote:

One big difference in these types of tools, is whether they are made from
sheet steel stampings, or forged steel.
The forged steel versions typically last for decades, but cost more.

The lindstroms are not forged. They are fully machined from ball
bearing steel.

AwlSome Auger wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:09:30 -0500, "Wild_Bill"
wrote:

One big difference in these types of tools, is whether they are made from
sheet steel stampings, or forged steel.
The forged steel versions typically last for decades, but cost more.

The lindstroms are not forged. They are fully machined from ball
bearing steel.


Just like the steel plate in your head?


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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:57:04 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


AwlSome Auger wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:09:30 -0500, "Wild_Bill"
wrote:

One big difference in these types of tools, is whether they are made from
sheet steel stampings, or forged steel.
The forged steel versions typically last for decades, but cost more.

The lindstroms are not forged. They are fully machined from ball
bearing steel.


Just like the steel plate in your head?


Yeah, it is so steely that it stole away any hope you ever had of being
considered an intelligent individual in this group.

AwlSome Auger wrote:

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:57:04 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


AwlSome Auger wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:09:30 -0500, "Wild_Bill"
wrote:

One big difference in these types of tools, is whether they are made from
sheet steel stampings, or forged steel.
The forged steel versions typically last for decades, but cost more.

The lindstroms are not forged. They are fully machined from ball
bearing steel.


Just like the steel plate in your head?

Yeah, it is so steely that it stole away any hope you ever had of being
considered an intelligent individual in this group.


Yawn. Another lame dimbulb attempt at a putdown.

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AwlSome Auger wrote:
AA The lindstroms are not forged. They are
AA fully machined from ball bearing steel.

That's a strange way to pretend you have balls.

Did anybody else get the feeling that "life imitates life"
is somehow getting a kickback from lindstrom?

LOL

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:53:56 -0800 (PST), Greegor
wrote:

AwlSome Auger wrote:
AA The lindstroms are not forged. They are
AA fully machined from ball bearing steel.

That's a strange way to pretend you have balls.

Did anybody else get the feeling that "life imitates life"
is somehow getting a kickback from lindstrom?

Nah, no one would actually pay someone to be AlwaysWrong.

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:53:56 -0800 (PST), Greegor
wrote:

AwlSome Auger wrote:
AA The lindstroms are not forged. They are
AA fully machined from ball bearing steel.

That's a strange way to pretend you have balls.

Grow the **** up, retard boy.

Did anybody else get the feeling that "life imitates life"
is somehow getting a kickback from lindstrom?

LOL

Dude, you are a ****ing idiot. They are not forged.

One does not have to get a kickback to simply iterate facts.

You could use a bath, however, ****tard.

On 2/10/2010 12:29 PM, DaveC wrote:
I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

I picked up a barely used set of Lindstrom (Sweden)Model Rx 8142. I am
not sure if the angle is more than 30 degrees, but very well balanced
and cushioned. I have forbidden the family to use them! My other cutters
look like they have been used for cutting iron nails!

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On 2/14/2010 8:14 PM, RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
On 2/10/2010 12:29 PM, DaveC wrote:
I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles
met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut
desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

I picked up a barely used set of Lindstrom (Sweden)Model Rx 8142. I am
not sure if the angle is more than 30 degrees, but very well balanced
and cushioned. I have forbidden the family to use them! My other cutters
look like they have been used for cutting iron nails!


I guess the $6 at Skycrafters was well spent given the furor being
raised over US industry buying these Commie Rolls Royce tools versus
buying puke smelling Xcelite junk. Nothin' like the smell of Xcelite in
the morning to go with your coffee!

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"Use only Genuine Interocitor Parts" Tom Servo ;-P

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:14:38 -0500, RFI-EMI-GUY
wrote:

On 2/10/2010 12:29 PM, DaveC wrote:
I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

I picked up a barely used set of Lindstrom (Sweden)Model Rx 8142. I am
not sure if the angle is more than 30 degrees, but very well balanced
and cushioned. I have forbidden the family to use them! My other cutters
look like they have been used for cutting iron nails!


Does that say something about you, or are you saying that the other
members of your family were never properly educated on tool care? :-)

On 2/14/2010 11:46 PM, life imitates life wrote:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:14:38 -0500,
wrote:

On 2/10/2010 12:29 PM, DaveC wrote:
I used to own a pair of flush cutters where the jaws and the handles met at
about a 45-degree angle. Made for a nice tool for getting in between
components when you needed to nip something off flush with the PCB.

I think they were Xcelite.

I can't find anything like those Xcelites anymore. Everything is either
straight (no angle between the jaws and handles) or maybe a slight angle.

Anyone know of a good cutter that has a 45-degree angle? Flush-cut desirable
but not critical. A 1/2" (12 mm) jaw opening would be nice, though.

Thanks,
Dave

I picked up a barely used set of Lindstrom (Sweden)Model Rx 8142. I am
not sure if the angle is more than 30 degrees, but very well balanced
and cushioned. I have forbidden the family to use them! My other cutters
look like they have been used for cutting iron nails!


Does that say something about you, or are you saying that the other
members of your family were never properly educated on tool care? :-)

I think the concept of returning tools to the toolbox and using proper
tools for the job is lost on certain other members of the family. I have
given up training them.

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In article om,
RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
I picked up a barely used set of Lindstrom (Sweden)Model Rx 8142. I am
not sure if the angle is more than 30 degrees, but very well balanced
and cushioned. I have forbidden the family to use them! My other cutters
look like they have been used for cutting iron nails!

Cutting nails shouldn't worry a decent pair of cutters. But obviously
smaller ones could bend if trying to cut a large nail. Small electronic
cutters should only be used for that purpose. Larger electrician's type
will survive lots of abuse if of good quality.

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:02:09 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article om,
RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
I picked up a barely used set of Lindstrom (Sweden)Model Rx 8142. I am
not sure if the angle is more than 30 degrees, but very well balanced
and cushioned. I have forbidden the family to use them! My other cutters
look like they have been used for cutting iron nails!

Cutting nails shouldn't worry a decent pair of cutters.


Nice try, troll.

But obviously
smaller ones could bend if trying to cut a large nail. Small electronic
cutters should only be used for that purpose. Larger electrician's type
will survive lots of abuse if of good quality.

There are no cutters that should be used on ANY ****ing steel wire,
much less nails.

Your ****ing name fits, Plowtard.

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Cutting nails shouldn't worry a decent pair of cutters.


Nice try, troll.

But obviously
smaller ones could bend if trying to cut a large nail. Small electronic
cutters should only be used for that purpose. Larger electrician's type
will survive lots of abuse if of good quality.

There are no cutters that should be used on ANY ****ing steel wire,
much less nails.

If like you, they're bought from the pound shop, yes.

A test for *any* decent cutter is piano wire. Properly hardened jaws won't
be damaged by this.

Your ****ing name fits, Plowtard.

Very witty. From one who hides behind a pseudonym.

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On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:16:28 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:


A test for *any* decent cutter is piano wire. Properly hardened jaws won't
be damaged by this.

You are an idiot, and a troll.

Piano wire is cut with a heavy shear, not a nip cutter. There are no
nip style cutters made meant for steel with the exception of bolt cutters
and they are a completely different animal. That is why a block shear
cutter is used.

I'm not playing this game, but you're entirely incorrect that there are no
hand tool cutters that are capable of, or intended to withstand the cutting
forces of steel.

Cotter pins, safety lockwire, steel fence wire and various other steel wire
products are routinely cut with hand tool diagonal cutters or wire cutters
that are not specifically made for copper or aluminum only.
Many quality wiring pliers/crimpers/strippers include screw cutters, that
cut steel screws without any damage to the tool.

The cutters don't have to be big Channelock, Klein or other industrial duty
models.
I have miniature cutters that I've cut steel wire with for many years
without damage, and have also been used to cut small springs. The cutting
edges are unharmed.

My Channelock side cutters and several other wire cutters I own have cut
lots of nails, been used to pull nails and large steel staples, even at the
tips of the cutting edges, without damage to the tools.
I don't try to cut drywall screws with them, or twist drills, or endmills.
They still cut stranded or solid copper wire and cables just fine, and nylon
cord or steel coat hanger wire or any other materials that I need them to
cut, essentially like they were still new.

The only attention that these cutters and pliers have needed in many years
of use, is an occasional 1 or 2 drops of oil at the hinge, and proper
storage.

There's no need, or point for any typical hostile anarchist replies. I don't
play these games.

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WB
..............



There are no cutters that should be used on ANY ****ing steel wire,
much less nails.

In article ,
Wild_Bill wrote:
My Channelock side cutters and several other wire cutters I own have cut
lots of nails, been used to pull nails and large steel staples, even at
the tips of the cutting edges, without damage to the tools. I don't try
to cut drywall screws with them, or twist drills, or endmills. They
still cut stranded or solid copper wire and cables just fine, and nylon
cord or steel coat hanger wire or any other materials that I need them
to cut, essentially like they were still new.

The only attention that these cutters and pliers have needed in many
years of use, is an occasional 1 or 2 drops of oil at the hinge, and
proper storage.

There's no need, or point for any typical hostile anarchist replies. I
don't play these games.

Shear type cutters would have to be vastly heavier to cut wire etc - they
have a tendency to spring open when doing this. Bolt cutters are simply a
heavy duty version of side cutters.

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On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:13:30 -0500, "Wild_Bill"
wrote:

Cotter pins, safety lockwire, steel fence wire and various other steel wire
products are routinely cut with hand tool diagonal cutters or wire cutters
that are not specifically made for copper or aluminum only.
Many quality wiring pliers/crimpers/strippers include screw cutters, that
cut steel screws without any damage to the tool.


I have a pair of twister pliers for lock wire. They are not actually
meant to be use to CUT the wire either, even though they have side
cutters incorporated into them. Any monkey knows how to flex fracture
wire that uses a medium that work hardens. That is the right way to
"cut" lock wire. In fact, one is supposed to use the side cutter to
simply score the wire a bit, and then the number of flexes is reduced to
just a few.

Wild_Bill wrote:
I'm not playing this game, but you're entirely incorrect that there
are no hand tool cutters that are capable of, or intended to
withstand the cutting forces of steel.

Cotter pins, safety lockwire, steel fence wire and various other
steel wire products are routinely cut with hand tool diagonal cutters
or wire cutters that are not specifically made for copper or aluminum
only. Many quality wiring pliers/crimpers/strippers include screw cutters,
that cut steel screws without any damage to the tool.

The cutters don't have to be big Channelock, Klein or other
industrial duty models.
I have miniature cutters that I've cut steel wire with for many years
without damage, and have also been used to cut small springs. The
cutting edges are unharmed.

My Channelock side cutters and several other wire cutters I own have
cut lots of nails, been used to pull nails and large steel staples,
even at the tips of the cutting edges, without damage to the tools.
I don't try to cut drywall screws with them, or twist drills, or
endmills. They still cut stranded or solid copper wire and cables
just fine, and nylon cord or steel coat hanger wire or any other
materials that I need them to cut, essentially like they were still
new.
The only attention that these cutters and pliers have needed in many
years of use, is an occasional 1 or 2 drops of oil at the hinge, and
proper storage.


right, I have here a pair of wirecutters made by Belzer (Titan2000) which I
bought in '86. Sill perfect with a small spring that keeps the cut wires
from flying into your eyes.
ciao Ban

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article om,
RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:
I picked up a barely used set of Lindstrom (Sweden)Model Rx 8142. I am
not sure if the angle is more than 30 degrees, but very well balanced
and cushioned. I have forbidden the family to use them! My other cutters
look like they have been used for cutting iron nails!

Cutting nails shouldn't worry a decent pair of cutters. But obviously
smaller ones could bend if trying to cut a large nail. Small electronic
cutters should only be used for that purpose. Larger electrician's type
will survive lots of abuse if of good quality.


A small pair of bolt cutters would be better for nails. Especially
cut nails, made for masonry work.


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On Feb 16, 7:13 am, "Wild_Bill" wrote:
WB [...] There's no need, or point for any typical
WB hostile anarchist replies. I don't play these games.

That's an interesting take on this "life imitates life" nym shifter.
It would explain the "Always Wrong" moniker though!

I wonder if in real life he's really the
angry radicalized sociopathic misfit
he appears to be on usenet...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wire+nipper

"wire nipper" just gives me millions of hits. Adding "45 degree" is what I
need. And already did. Hence my question here.

I have a newer pair of Xcelite nippers. If the above link does you no
good I'll grab them when I get back to the shop and post the part
number.

Are they 45-degree type? Yes, I'd appreciate a pn.

Thanks!

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:24:22 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:37:15 -0800, DaveC wrote:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wire+nipper

"wire nipper" just gives me millions of hits. Adding "45 degree" is what I
need. And already did. Hence my question here.

Most nippers are 45, diag cutters are a totally different animal.

Not true. "nippers" are various, and there "norm" varies from USER to
USER, and no, the industry does not "usually use 45 degree" as was
inferred by your remark. Most were.... AT the ******** you were at at
the time.

Most at two of the places I have been were the other variety. You
probably knew that was an incorrect statement, the moment you hit the
period key.

I have a newer pair of Xcelite nippers. If the above link does you no
good I'll grab them when I get back to the shop and post the part
number.

Are they 45-degree type? Yes, I'd appreciate a pn.

Thanks!

Xcelite 170M

:http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/xc...3900?ref=gbase

The Lindstroms are worth the extra outlay if a long term, personal tool
is desired. For a production level, multi-user tool, the lower quality
steel, shorter life span brands are cheaper and are the better value for
such a setting. It just depends on who the tool is for, how well they
take care of their tools, and the term you wish the tool to last for.

Fred Abse wrote:

Golden rule: Never, under any circumstances, lend cutters to *anyone*.
Never let them out of your sight / control.

That in my humble opionion is just plain silly. If you refuse to lend people
tools when they ask, they wait until you are not looking and borrow them
anyway.

The best thing to do, IMHO is to buy several sets of medium grade tools, i.e.
cheap but not the best. Still capable of doing the job, but nothing you would
worry about if it came back unusable.

Then you leave one set around for people to borrow and lend them
out agressively.

The good tools you keep locked up and never even let them know you have them.

:-)

I used to have a guy who worked for me part time who was constantly having
his tools stolen. From screwdrivers to floor pullers. I just bought a bunch of
screwdrivers for him and on his days off, I went around and collected them
from where he left them.

Geoff.

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i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia.

Fred Abse wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:49:03 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

That in my humble opionion is just plain silly. If you refuse to lend people
tools when they ask, they wait until you are not looking and borrow them
anyway.

They get fired!

That only works if:

1. You are high enough up the food chain to do anything about it.

2. Have less invested in them than the tools.

Maybe a small company with a few employees of no particular skills, but
in the real world?

Geoff.


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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:04:03 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
wrote:

Fred Abse wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:49:03 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

That in my humble opionion is just plain silly. If you refuse to lend people
tools when they ask, they wait until you are not looking and borrow them
anyway.

They get fired!

That only works if:

1. You are high enough up the food chain to do anything about it.

I can relate to that. I arrived at work one day, and went upstairs
down at the other end of the building. The new tech we hired started the
previous week. As I came to the end of the building my lab is at, and
looked out over the balcony, I saw him down at my bench, digging in my
personal tools/parts cabinets for whatever he felt like "he might need".

They did not do anything about it. Maybe because I was so mad about
the fact that such a low life ****tard had just been hired by our company
and was being considered a capable employee.

I think character flaws like that are grounds for instantaneous firing.

Not if it was a true colleague, looking for something he needed. This
was a new asshole, trying to get at my things, thinking he was getting in
before everyone else.

I only wish that the huge scare I filled him with when I hollered at
him when it happened had given him a heart attack.

He is ****ing lucky I did not load up one of our BIG HV caps and dump
the ****er in his ass while saying, "Now go near my **** again, ****er,
and I'll dump one of these into your chest!"

I hate that the ****tards in the world cause me to compromise my
character just to put the stupid *******s in their place. I hate ****ers
that make me hate.

I am so glad that the scrutiny used where I work now, means that I can
trust every soul there implicitly.

I could be a ****-up and they would keep me because I am part of the
family now.

But I am not a ****-up. That asshole digging in my parts and tools
was.

Fred Abse wrote:
Not *that* small. Many longtime employees with irreplaceable skills who
know better than to borrow tools without asking. They have their own
tools. If they want more, we buy them. They wouldn't lend me theirs,
not that I'd ask.

It's called discipline and commitment.


It's also a cultural thing. Here there is a much more socialist attitude
where the company owns the tools, and not the employees. Everything is
shared among the workers.

****es (angers for you UK types) the hell out of me, but it's the way
everyone thinks. People would even unlock my desk to get to my tools.

Note that until the mid 1990's no one was paid enough money to own their
own tools, and to this day very few are.

I recently resarched this because someone asked me about starting business
here that they had in the US. They have a tool franchise and drive around
in a van selling tools to craftsmen, mechanincs, etc.

It does not translate well, the workers can't afford the tools, and the
employers would rather buy a high end chinese tool than a high end
US/EU made tool because it is likely to get broken, lost or stolen.

Geoff.

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In article ,
Meat Plow wrote:
The Lindstroms are worth the extra outlay if a long term, personal tool
is desired. For a production level, multi-user tool, the lower quality
steel, shorter life span brands are cheaper and are the better value for
such a setting. It just depends on who the tool is for, how well they
take care of their tools, and the term you wish the tool to last for.

Never heard of Lindstrom

Fairly well known as the 'Rolls Royce' of cutters etc. But debatable if
they are worth the cost. If you're only doing the things those cutters
were designed for, like snipping copper leads, cheaper ones treated as
disposable can be fine. And use a 'disposed' of pair for the things that
could damage the good ones.

But I do have some Lindstrom tools.

--
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On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:23:51 -0500, Meat Plow . wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:39:44 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Meat Plow wrote:
The Lindstroms are worth the extra outlay if a long term, personal tool
is desired. For a production level, multi-user tool, the lower quality
steel, shorter life span brands are cheaper and are the better value for
such a setting. It just depends on who the tool is for, how well they
take care of their tools, and the term you wish the tool to last for.

Never heard of Lindstrom

Fairly well known as the 'Rolls Royce' of cutters etc. But debatable if
they are worth the cost. If you're only doing the things those cutters
were designed for, like snipping copper leads, cheaper ones treated as
disposable can be fine. And use a 'disposed' of pair for the things that
could damage the good ones.

But I do have some Lindstrom tools.

I don't doubt they are the cat's meow. I use a pair of side cuts for
anything less larger than 20. My nippers were always for nipping leads
from caps, diodes, etc.... The shearing edges are just too soft.



Not on Lindstrom steel, it isn't. They use ball bearing steel. The
"shearing edges" are flawless.

BTW, side cutters perform NO shearing action whatsoever. They are not
shears. They are snips. Blades and seats strike into each other. On a
shear, the blades cross each other.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:35:22 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

That's nice YMMV

How retarded of you. Most of the industry does NOT use oblique cutters.
Pretty simple ****. Run your plow over it and see what springs up.

I have a newer pair of Xcelite nippers. If the above link does you no
good I'll grab them when I get back to the shop and post the part
number.

Are they 45-degree type? Yes, I'd appreciate a pn.

Thanks!

Xcelite 170M

:http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/xc...3900?ref=gbase

The Lindstroms are worth the extra outlay if a long term, personal tool
is desired. For a production level, multi-user tool, the lower quality
steel, shorter life span brands are cheaper and are the better value for
such a setting. It just depends on who the tool is for, how well they
take care of their tools, and the term you wish the tool to last for.

Never heard of Lindstrom

How uninformed of you.