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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an
electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- no voice coil rub. Just putting my hand near the speaker causes a slight humming, however. The gain of the unit seems OK, it gets pretty loud, but the louder you turn it the louder the distortion gets. I've taken to turning the unit off because even when it's getting no signal it will start to hum and buzz sometimes. Not a 60 cycle sounding hum, a buzzy distortion. Any troubleshooting ideas? Thanks and Happy Holidays! Paul |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
Lovguitar wrote:
I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- no voice coil rub. Just putting my hand near the speaker causes a slight humming, however. The gain of the unit seems OK, it gets pretty loud, but the louder you turn it the louder the distortion gets. I've taken to turning the unit off because even when it's getting no signal it will start to hum and buzz sometimes. Not a 60 cycle sounding hum, a buzzy distortion. Any troubleshooting ideas? Thanks and Happy Holidays! Paul Bad (intermittent oscilation ) powersupply triggered by 60(120)Hz ripple current? Or the same somewhere in the amplifiers? |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar
wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... no voice coil rub. Just putting my hand near the speaker causes a slight humming, however. The gain of the unit seems OK, it gets pretty loud, but the louder you turn it the louder the distortion gets. I've taken to turning the unit off because even when it's getting no signal it will start to hum and buzz sometimes. Not a 60 cycle sounding hum, a buzzy distortion. Any troubleshooting ideas? Properly test the speaker. Monitor the power supply rails while increasing the volume. Thanks and Happy Holidays! Paul |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:10:39 -0500, PeterD wrote:
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Wow that's a really idiotic reply seeing the OP is a guitar player and not a scientist. In reality the mechanical manipulation of the speaker cone is a valid fundamental test. Next test would be to subsitute the amp. The result should be obvious. |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
"PeterD" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Just goes to show what you know about service work then ... Arfa |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
"Peter Dope" I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... ** It's a valid test procedure and perfectly "scientific". Like the majority of test procedures, it is not *absolute* - but if the device fails the test you have your culprit. However, it passes the test, there are other tests that may need doing. It is possible to perform a very large number of tests on a loudspeaker, not one of which conclusively proves it has no faults. But if the OPs test is failed, then none of them need doing. ...... Phil |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
"Lovguitar" I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- no voice coil rub. Just putting my hand near the speaker causes a slight humming, however. The gain of the unit seems OK, it gets pretty loud, but the louder you turn it the louder the distortion gets. I've taken to turning the unit off because even when it's getting no signal it will start to hum and buzz sometimes. Not a 60 cycle sounding hum, a buzzy distortion. Any troubleshooting ideas? **Yep - remove the woofer and connect the leads from the amp to another ( known good) speaker. Also try the woofer with another amplifier - even a guitar amp will do. Leads with alligator clips at each end are very handy for this. ..... Phil |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:33:45 -0500, Lawrence Livermore
wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:10:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Wow that's a really idiotic reply seeing the OP is a guitar player and not a scientist. **** off then. If he's a guitar player, he should not be trying to fix electronics, right? In reality the mechanical manipulation of the speaker cone is a valid fundamental test. Next test would be to subsitute the amp. The result should be obvious. It's obvious that you have contributed NOTHING to this thread, and I did give him good advice. |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:02:22 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Just goes to show what you know about service work then ... Arfa Clearly more than some people (I'll exclude you, since you do know what you are doing.) bottom line is that that test is very limited, and won't show the problem that he's experiencing which is distortion at higher volume levels... |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:29:01 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote: "Peter Dope" I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... ** It's a valid test procedure and perfectly "scientific". Like the majority of test procedures, it is not *absolute* - but if the device fails the test you have your culprit. However, it passes the test, there are other tests that may need doing. It is possible to perform a very large number of tests on a loudspeaker, not one of which conclusively proves it has no faults. But if the OPs test is failed, then none of them need doing. ..... Phil Agreed. |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
"PeterD" wrote in message ... On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:02:22 -0000, "Arfa Daily" wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Just goes to show what you know about service work then ... Arfa Clearly more than some people (I'll exclude you, since you do know what you are doing.) bottom line is that that test is very limited, and won't show the problem that he's experiencing which is distortion at higher volume levels... OK, I'll give you that, but the test will pick up most raspy distortion problems that are to do with the speaker itself. Sometimes, however, the problem can be due to mechanical resonances which only show up at high drive levels, in which case the push - pull test will, as you rightly say, reveal absolutely nuffink ... :-) Arfa |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
"PeterDope" Clearly more than some people (I'll exclude you, since you do know what you are doing.) bottom line is that that test is very limited, and won't show the problem that he's experiencing which is distortion at higher volume levels... ** On the contrary - the OP spoke of a " buzzy distortion " with NO signal going through the unit. Given that the speaker is not poling against the magnet structure nor has loose turns on the voice coil ( his tap and pull test shows that) the odds are very high that the problem is with the driving amp. ..... Phil |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
"Phil Allison" wrote in message ... "PeterDope" Clearly more than some people (I'll exclude you, since you do know what you are doing.) bottom line is that that test is very limited, and won't show the problem that he's experiencing which is distortion at higher volume levels... ** On the contrary - the OP spoke of a " buzzy distortion " with NO signal going through the unit. Given that the speaker is not poling against the magnet structure nor has loose turns on the voice coil ( his tap and pull test shows that) the odds are very high that the problem is with the driving amp. .... Phil Agreed Arfa |
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Cerwin Vega Sub Woofer -- buzzy distortion
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:35 -0500, Meat Plow
wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:09:53 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:33:45 -0500, Lawrence Livermore wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:10:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Wow that's a really idiotic reply seeing the OP is a guitar player and not a scientist. **** off then. If he's a guitar player, he should not be trying to fix electronics, right? In reality the mechanical manipulation of the speaker cone is a valid fundamental test. Next test would be to subsitute the amp. The result should be obvious. It's obvious that you have contributed NOTHING to this thread, and I did give him good advice. You gave the OP an ear full of hateful, self-righteous spew. No, I told him his test was flawed, then suggested what he should do... The self-righteous spew wasn't mine... OF course one of the proud flamers thought it woudl be funny to snip off the helpful advice I gave, and leave what they felt was not helpful... So again: check with a known good speaker, if it still distorts monitor the power supply rails while the symptoms exist. So if people don't like that advice, and think it is hateful or self-rightous, well tuff ****. |
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:45:58 -0500, Meat Plow
wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:13:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:35 -0500, Meat Plow wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:09:53 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:33:45 -0500, Lawrence Livermore wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:10:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Wow that's a really idiotic reply seeing the OP is a guitar player and not a scientist. **** off then. If he's a guitar player, he should not be trying to fix electronics, right? In reality the mechanical manipulation of the speaker cone is a valid fundamental test. Next test would be to subsitute the amp. The result should be obvious. It's obvious that you have contributed NOTHING to this thread, and I did give him good advice. You gave the OP an ear full of hateful, self-righteous spew. No, I told him[SLAP] Be gone child. I have nearly 4 decades in pro audio so don't insult my intelligence with your mouth full of ****. I have as much experience as you do, and as long as you snip the valid advice I give, leave your flames and ****, you look like one big **** head. So your advice back to you: be gone, you are acting like a child, altering my text in quoted sections to suit your childish attitudes and basically just ****-off, you are trolling, and poorly at that. Now for the last time: test with a known good speaker, and monitor the power supply rails as a starting point. And, meathead, don't bother replying, and if you do reply DONOT alter my comments as you did above. Now, **** off. |
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On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:51:39 -0500, Meat Plow
wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:39:36 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:45:58 -0500, Meat Plow wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:13:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:35 -0500, Meat Plow wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:09:53 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:33:45 -0500, Lawrence Livermore wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:10:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Wow that's a really idiotic reply seeing the OP is a guitar player and not a scientist. **** off then. If he's a guitar player, he should not be trying to fix electronics, right? In reality the mechanical manipulation of the speaker cone is a valid fundamental test. Next test would be to subsitute the amp. The result should be obvious. It's obvious that you have contributed NOTHING to this thread, and I did give him good advice. You gave the OP an ear full of hateful, self-righteous spew. No, I told him[SLAP] Be gone child. I have nearly 4 decades in pro audio so don't insult my intelligence with your mouth full of ****. I have[SLAP] Then show your maturity you blabbering Fool. Bwa-ha-ha-ha... Yea, right like you have showm maturity... At least I don't alter other people's words in quoted sections, changing things to make a meathead post seem reasonable... I'm tired of you, kid. Go waste someone else's time. |
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"PeterD" wrote in message news On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:51:39 -0500, Meat Plow wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:39:36 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:45:58 -0500, Meat Plow wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:13:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:35 -0500, Meat Plow wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:09:53 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:33:45 -0500, Lawrence Livermore wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:10:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Wow that's a really idiotic reply seeing the OP is a guitar player and not a scientist. **** off then. If he's a guitar player, he should not be trying to fix electronics, right? In reality the mechanical manipulation of the speaker cone is a valid fundamental test. Next test would be to subsitute the amp. The result should be obvious. It's obvious that you have contributed NOTHING to this thread, and I did give him good advice. You gave the OP an ear full of hateful, self-righteous spew. No, I told him[SLAP] Be gone child. I have nearly 4 decades in pro audio so don't insult my intelligence with your mouth full of ****. I have[SLAP] Then show your maturity you blabbering Fool. Bwa-ha-ha-ha... Yea, right like you have showm maturity... At least I don't alter other people's words in quoted sections, changing things to make a meathead post seem reasonable... I'm tired of you, kid. Go waste someone else's time. Stop it boys ... d :-\ ) Arfa Arfa |
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"Meat Plow" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:13:04 -0000, "Arfa Daily" wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message news On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:51:39 -0500, Meat Plow wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:39:36 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:45:58 -0500, Meat Plow wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:13:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:35 -0500, Meat Plow wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:09:53 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:33:45 -0500, Lawrence Livermore wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:10:39 -0500, PeterD wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST), Lovguitar wrote: I have a Cerwin Vega HT-S12A subwoofer that has begun making an electronic distortion. The speaker itself seems fine when I do a push pull and tap -- Wow, that's a really good scientific test... Wow that's a really idiotic reply seeing the OP is a guitar player and not a scientist. **** off then. If he's a guitar player, he should not be trying to fix electronics, right? In reality the mechanical manipulation of the speaker cone is a valid fundamental test. Next test would be to subsitute the amp. The result should be obvious. It's obvious that you have contributed NOTHING to this thread, and I did give him good advice. You gave the OP an ear full of hateful, self-righteous spew. No, I told him[SLAP] Be gone child. I have nearly 4 decades in pro audio so don't insult my intelligence with your mouth full of ****. I have[SLAP] Then show your maturity you blabbering Fool. Bwa-ha-ha-ha... Yea, right like you have showm maturity... At least I don't alter other people's words in quoted sections, changing things to make a meathead post seem reasonable... I'm tired of you, kid. Go waste someone else's time. Stop it boys ... d :-\ ) Arfa Arfa Aw come on now Arf. I haven't had to bitch-slap one of these 'full of their own ****' posers in a long time. Funny though how it keeps replying as if some magical force compells it to press the read button when my posts are highlighted. OK sah! Carry on that man ! Arfa |
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