On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:18:27 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:26:44 -0500, msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200

snip

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net. Also, a public
access machine or a shared machine in a residence may conceivably be used
by different posters. Combining the weight of circumstantial evidence such as
posting IP address, user agent, bang path, etc. together with an analysis
of lexical style may result in a more cogent argument for a poster's identity.

Michael


Yes and unless and until a crime has been committed, which it hasn't,
you can all **** off and die.

Yes, Roy. We know you're off your meds, again.

msg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200

snip

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses
automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net.

That isn't an RFC-1918 address. It belongs to Cox Communications, Inc.

Also, a public
access machine or a shared machine in a residence may conceivably be used
by different posters.

True, but DimBulb is infamous for sock-puppetry.


--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:26:44 -0500, msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200
snip

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net. Also, a public
access machine or a shared machine in a residence may conceivably be used
by different posters. Combining the weight of circumstantial evidence such as
posting IP address, user agent, bang path, etc. together with an analysis
of lexical style may result in a more cogent argument for a poster's identity.

Michael


Yes and unless and until a crime has been committed, which it hasn't,
you can all **** off and die.

http://ww2.cox.com/aboutus/policies.cox
---
Acceptable Use Policy

Prohibited Activities. You may not use the Service in a manner that
violates any applicable local, state, federal or international law,
order or regulation. Additionally, You may not use the Service to:
*Conduct, participate in, or otherwise facilitate pyramid or other
illegal soliciting schemes.
*Take part in any fraudulent activities, including impersonating
any person or entity or forging anyone else's digital or manual signature.
*Invade another person's privacy, stalk, harass, or otherwise
violate the rights of others.
*Post, transmit, or disseminate content that is illegal,
threatening, abusive, libelous, slanderous, defamatory, promotes
violence, or is otherwise offensive or objectionable.
[...]
---



--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200


snip

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I
caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses
automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net.


That isn't an RFC-1918 address. It belongs to Cox Communications, Inc.

Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to a single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.

Michael

wrote:

If there's a verb to use to refer specifically to turning an element
into its oxide, to eliminate confusion with the generalized oxidation
process, please let me know what it is

I used to use the terms 'oxidised' to refer to the production of the
oxide, and 'oxidation product' for the general case other than
oxides.. Context should anyway make it clear which is which.
--

from
Aero Spike

On Apr 20, 9:18*am, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:26:44 -0500, msg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip
* *Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

* *If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200

snip

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net. Also, a public
access machine or a shared machine in a residence may conceivably be used
by different posters. Combining the weight of circumstantial evidence such as
posting IP address, user agent, bang path, etc. together with an analysis
of lexical style may result in a more cogent argument for a poster's identity.

Michael

* Yes and unless and until a crime has been committed, which it hasn't,
you can all **** off and die.


YOU ARE THE SCUM FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE TANK

AND STILL GOOD LUBRICANT FOR THE PROSECUTION
I WILL PROCEED TO DEEP PROBE YOU AND YOUR CO-WHORST UNTIL YOU ALL
WITHDRAW AND PROVIDE COMPENSATION FOR THE LOSS YOU'VE COST THIS GROUP
WITH YOUR BACK ALLEY ANTICS AND DISRESPECT

YOU SHAMELESS HOMOPHOBIC TWITTER

I AM PROTEUS

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:45 -0700, spamtrap1888 wrote:

Silver does not oxidize so much as it tarnishes, by picking up sulfur from
the air.

I once watched a guy build a 1KW linear out of surplus parts. He had this
beautiful silver-plated tank coil, and this idiot SAMDPAPERED the tarnish
off!

Can you say "skin effect", boys and girls? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:52:19 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

http://ww2.cox.com/aboutus/policies.cox
---
Acceptable Use Policy

Prohibited Activities. You may not use the Service in a manner that
violates any applicable local, state, federal or international law,
order or regulation. Additionally, You may not use the Service to:
*Conduct, participate in, or otherwise facilitate pyramid or other
illegal soliciting schemes.
*Take part in any fraudulent activities, including impersonating
any person or entity or forging anyone else's digital or manual signature.
*Invade another person's privacy, stalk, harass, or otherwise
violate the rights of others.
*Post, transmit, or disseminate content that is illegal,
threatening, abusive, libelous, slanderous, defamatory, promotes
violence, or is otherwise offensive or objectionable.
[...]
---


Yes, ****head. Now show me a state or federal statute, you stupid ****.
Then go back and read what I said.

Cox will send you information about using your filters.

If I were to commit a crime, they would forward any pertinent
information on to whichever authority necessary.

Until a crime is committed, idiots like you can **** off and die.

You got that, you stupid ****?

I find you retarded *******s offensive and objectionable.

That makes my case as strong, if not stronger than you your retarded
case.

No go find something real to involve yourselves in, you petty little
E-1 grade *******s.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:48:03 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:


W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

This is the only thing that keeps retarded ****s like you alive.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:43:31 -0500, krw wrote:


Yes, Roy. We know you're off your meds, again.


Not Roy, dumb**** krw. You are so demented that you have forgotten how
to track the people that you attack. Typical troll retardation.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:35:18 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:45 -0700, spamtrap1888 wrote:

Silver does not oxidize so much as it tarnishes, by picking up sulfur from
the air.

I once watched a guy build a 1KW linear out of surplus parts. He had this
beautiful silver-plated tank coil, and this idiot SAMDPAPERED the tarnish
off!

Can you say "skin effect", boys and girls? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

It could have been solid Silver.

Also, Silver plated wire DOES have favorable skin effect, sanded or
not. Tarnished Silver wire would not be as favorable.

Can you say get a grip on what skin effect is?

The coil will do the job it is designed for in either case.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:13:16 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:43:31 -0500, krw wrote:


Yes, Roy. We know you're off your meds, again.


Not Roy, dumb**** krw.

Yes, Roy. We know you're off your meds.

You are so demented that you have forgotten how
to track the people that you attack. Typical troll retardation.

No, Roy. I've not forgotten you.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:26:10 -0500, krw wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:13:16 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:43:31 -0500, krw wrote:


Yes, Roy. We know you're off your meds, again.


Not Roy, dumb**** krw.

Yes, Roy. We know you're off your meds.

You are so demented that you have forgotten how
to track the people that you attack. Typical troll retardation.

No, Roy. I've not forgotten you.


**** off, KeithTard.

msg wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

snip

Dimbulb is replying to himself again, in the hope no one will notice
what an idiot he is.

If you look at the headers for both they will have the same IP
address:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.197.142.200


snip

I have no knowledge of these particular posters or their ISPs but I
caution
readers not to assume that identical NNTP-Posting-Host addresses
automatically
mean the same user; some small ISPs assign RFC 1918 addresses to clients
and have a small block of public IPs exposed to the 'Net.


That isn't an RFC-1918 address. It belongs to Cox Communications, Inc.

Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but some
ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to a
single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.

True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in businesses,
rather than at ISPs.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:48:03 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

This is the only thing that keeps retarded ****s like you alive.

You think your impotent threats bother anyone DimBulb?


--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:28:45 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:48:03 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

This is the only thing that keeps retarded ****s like you alive.

You think your impotent threats bother anyone DimBulb?


It takes a true retard like you to imagine that such a remark is a
threat, when it was obviously merely a statement of fact.

You are only one of the impotent, retarded dip****s in this group,
Larter. Your mommy is calling, bobby. Run home now, retard boy.

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:28:45 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:48:03 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:
This is the only thing that keeps retarded ****s like you alive.
You think your impotent threats bother anyone DimBulb?

It takes a true retard like you to imagine that such a remark is a
threat, when it was obviously merely a statement of fact.

You are only one of the impotent, retarded dip****s in this group,
Larter. Your mommy is calling, bobby. Run home now, retard boy.

Go **** yourself, DimBulb.


--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:

snip
Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but
some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to a
single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.


True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in businesses,
rather than at ISPs.


From time to time (for many years now) I deal with issues involving H.323
and RTP connectivity (payload contains IP information) and I am always
surprised by the number of ISPs I encounter that NAT their clients. These
are mostly small operators and often rural. I too run a neighborhood WISP
that NATs the clients, many of whom use the same O/S and NNTP user agents,
and I would be quite distressed if newsgroup readers assumed that IP
addresses and message headers uniquely identify the poster who just happened
to be a neighbor and not myself.

Michael

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:19:59 -0700, Dr.Heywood wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:35:18 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:45 -0700, spamtrap1888 wrote:

Silver does not oxidize so much as it tarnishes, by picking up sulfur
from the air.

I once watched a guy build a 1KW linear out of surplus parts. He had this
beautiful silver-plated tank coil, and this idiot SAMDPAPERED the tarnish
off!

Can you say "skin effect", boys and girls? ;-)

It could have been solid Silver.

Also, Silver plated wire DOES have favorable skin effect, sanded or
not. Tarnished Silver wire would not be as favorable.

Can you say get a grip on what skin effect is?

Ever heard of "surface area"?

The coil will do the job it is designed for in either case.

At 100% of its original efficiancy?

Thanks,
Rich

On Apr 22, 3:14*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:19:59 -0700, Dr.Heywood wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:35:18 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:45 -0700, spamtrap1888 wrote:

Silver does not oxidize so much as it tarnishes, by picking up sulfur
from the air.

I once watched a guy build a 1KW linear out of surplus parts. He had this
beautiful silver-plated tank coil, and this idiot SAMDPAPERED the tarnish
off!

Can you say "skin effect", boys and girls? ;-)

* It could have been solid Silver.

* Also, Silver plated wire DOES have favorable skin effect, sanded or
not. *Tarnished Silver wire would not be as favorable.

*Can you say get a grip on what skin effect is?

Ever heard of "surface area"?

* The coil will do the job it is designed for in either case.

At 100% of its original efficiancy?

Thanks,
Rich- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
THAT DEPENDS ON OTHER FACTORS NOT RE3LATED TO THE CHARACTERISTICS
YOU'VE DESCRIBED

SURFACE AREA VS COMPRESION CONNECTORS

WITH TEEETH GRIPS THAT ACTUALLY SINK INTO THE WIRE ANY SPECULATION
CAN BE SAFELY CANCLELED DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE WIRE IS PIERCED AND
MECHANICALLY GRIPPED INTERNALLY NOT EXTERNALLY

THOUGH THIS TYPE OFCONNECTION IS HARDLY USED WHEN SPLICING CABLES THE
SERRATED TOOTH CONNECTORS ARE FAR BETTER OF COURSE BOLTS AND OTHER
FASTENING DEVICES SHOULD BITE INTO TYHE CABLE FOR A SOLID AND SOUND
CONDUCTIVE CONNECTION...TARNISHSED WIRE DOES NOT WELD WELL AND SHOULD
BE CLEANED THOROUGHLY AND PREPARED BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO ATTACH WITH
SOLDER

ALL TROLLS STINK AND SHOULD BE DECAPTIVATED FROM THIS USENET PROCEED
AND EXECUTE KILLFILE OF ALL COX.NET USERS AND YAHOO HOMOEROTIC
DIRTBAGS

OR THE RETURN OF THEE MIGHTY WONT VOLT IS EMMINENT

I AM PROTEUS

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:04:26 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:26:10 -0500, krw wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:13:16 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:43:31 -0500, krw wrote:


Yes, Roy. We know you're off your meds, again.


Not Roy, dumb**** krw.

Yes, Roy. We know you're off your meds.

You are so demented that you have forgotten how
to track the people that you attack. Typical troll retardation.

No, Roy. I've not forgotten you.


**** off, KeithTard.

If I've told you one, I've told you a thousand times. You are not my
type. If you're that hard up go raid your mommy's hamper again.

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:00:46 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:


Go **** yourself, DimBulb.


--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------


Siad the total retard with the totally retarded and immature sig for
all to see. That places your mental age at no more than 14, you retarded
BlownBulb dumb****.

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:56:20 -0500, msg wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:

snip
Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but
some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to a
single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.


True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in businesses,
rather than at ISPs.


From time to time (for many years now) I deal with issues involving H.323
and RTP connectivity (payload contains IP information) and I am always
surprised by the number of ISPs I encounter that NAT their clients. These
are mostly small operators and often rural. I too run a neighborhood WISP
that NATs the clients, many of whom use the same O/S and NNTP user agents,
and I would be quite distressed if newsgroup readers assumed that IP
addresses and message headers uniquely identify the poster who just happened
to be a neighbor and not myself.

Michael


The idiot that made the remark that "many NNTP users may all originate
from a single IP" is about as dumb as it gets.

For one thing, they are required by law to uniquely ID ALL of their
subscribers.

So to that idiotic asswipe... show us an example of your "several
users, same IP" claim, jerk.

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:14:48 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:19:59 -0700, Dr.Heywood wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:35:18 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:45 -0700, spamtrap1888 wrote:

Silver does not oxidize so much as it tarnishes, by picking up sulfur
from the air.

I once watched a guy build a 1KW linear out of surplus parts. He had this
beautiful silver-plated tank coil, and this idiot SAMDPAPERED the tarnish
off!

Can you say "skin effect", boys and girls? ;-)

It could have been solid Silver.

Also, Silver plated wire DOES have favorable skin effect, sanded or
not. Tarnished Silver wire would not be as favorable.

Can you say get a grip on what skin effect is?

Ever heard of "surface area"?

Him abrading the less than 1/10th of one mil tarnish off with an
abrasive does NOT reduce the size of the wire by ANY amount that would be
measurable in the setting it was being used in.

The coil will do the job it is designed for in either case.

At 100% of its original efficiancy?

At most "hand made radio" frequencies... yes. And the term is
efficiency. It comes from the word efficient. There is no word
"efficiant".

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:34:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 22, 3:14*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:19:59 -0700, Dr.Heywood wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:35:18 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:45 -0700, spamtrap1888 wrote:

Silver does not oxidize so much as it tarnishes, by picking up sulfur
from the air.

I once watched a guy build a 1KW linear out of surplus parts. He had this
beautiful silver-plated tank coil, and this idiot SAMDPAPERED the tarnish
off!

Can you say "skin effect", boys and girls? ;-)

* It could have been solid Silver.

* Also, Silver plated wire DOES have favorable skin effect, sanded or
not. *Tarnished Silver wire would not be as favorable.

*Can you say get a grip on what skin effect is?

Ever heard of "surface area"?

* The coil will do the job it is designed for in either case.

At 100% of its original efficiancy?

Thanks,
Rich- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
THAT DEPENDS ON OTHER FACTORS NOT RE3LATED TO THE CHARACTERISTICS
YOU'VE DESCRIBED

You're an idiot, Roy.

SURFACE AREA VS COMPRESION CONNECTORS

Wrong, Roy... again... as usual.

WITH TEEETH GRIPS THAT ACTUALLY SINK INTO THE WIRE ANY SPECULATION
CAN BE SAFELY CANCLELED DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE WIRE IS PIERCED AND
MECHANICALLY GRIPPED INTERNALLY NOT EXTERNALLY

Proof that you have no clue as to what skin effect is, much less how a
cinch type connection functions.

THOUGH THIS TYPE OFCONNECTION IS HARDLY USED WHEN SPLICING CABLES THE

You wouldn't know.

SERRATED TOOTH CONNECTORS ARE FAR BETTER OF COURSE BOLTS AND OTHER
FASTENING DEVICES SHOULD BITE INTO TYHE CABLE FOR A SOLID AND SOUND
CONDUCTIVE CONNECTION.

You're a babbling idiot, Roy.

..TARNISHSED WIRE DOES NOT WELD WELL AND SHOULD
BE CLEANED THOROUGHLY AND PREPARED BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO ATTACH WITH
SOLDER

Solderoing and welding are two different things, Roy. I wouldn't expect
you to know that, however.

ALL TROLLS STINK

Go take a shower, dumb**** troll.

AND SHOULD BE DECAPTIVATED FROM THIS USENET PROCEED
AND EXECUTE KILLFILE OF ALL COX.NET USERS AND YAHOO HOMOEROTIC
DIRTBAGS

Go fall on a sword then, idiot.

OR THE RETURN OF THEE MIGHTY WONT VOLT IS EMMINENT

Just leave, Roy. And STAY the **** OUT! You stupid troll ****!

This thread has gone on along time without seeming to go anywhere. In a
hope to end it and move on, I did a Google search. My best immediate hit
was: http://www.cardinalproaudio.com/main/instrume.htm,

It gave my reason first--it is easier to solder. The second one was also
commonly posted. The tin protects against copper getting oxidized if it
sits on the shelf for a long time.

What this site did not say was that the coating is not actually tin. But
I as well as many other posters use the term tin instead of solder.

Can we move on now?

Bill

--
Private Profit; Public Poop! Avoid collateral windfall!

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:39:16 -0700, Salmon Egg
wrote:

This thread has gone on along time without seeming to go anywhere. In a
hope to end it and move on, I did a Google search. My best immediate hit
was: http://www.cardinalproaudio.com/main/instrume.htm,

It gave my reason first--it is easier to solder. The second one was also
commonly posted. The tin protects against copper getting oxidized if it
sits on the shelf for a long time.

What this site did not say was that the coating is not actually tin. But
I as well as many other posters use the term tin instead of solder.

Can we move on now?

Bill


Tinning, in soldering nomenclature refers to dipping the stripped ends
of a stranded wire into a solder pot after applying flux to it.
"Pre-tinned wire" is a stranded wire where the entire length of the wire
has been "tinned" (read solder impregnated) during manufacture, before
the sheath (insulation) is added.

It is entirely different than TPC, which IS TIN plated copper wire.

Pre-tinned wire is made for manufacturing processes where labor costs
have been pared down. It has nothing to do with shelf life other than
how it relates to manufacturers and THEIR shelf life during a production
cycle. It would oxidize at the same rate that a solder joint does, which
is near NONE.

I doubt seriously that you will ever find RoHS "pre-tinned wire"
anywhere as it is likely a very poor wire being tinned with RoHS solders.

PVC wire is more porous than tfe is, so it will allow oxygen to attack
the wire, even though it is sheathed. TFE allows NO oxygen into the wire
via the sheath, so it has a long shelf life regardless of the wire type
inside.

So, TPC and SPC are true plated wire assemblies, and "pre-tinned wire"
is a cheap way for a manufacturer to cut costs and give a cheaper product
as well.

Pre-tinned wire is MORE susceptible to fracture due to flexing of the
wire as it is actually a single strand as a result of the way it is made.
TPC and SPC are true stranded designs and allow flexure without work
hardening the copper inside.

Essentially pre-tinned wire sucks and is a lame choice for ANYONE
trying to build a nice piece of equipment. The difference in cost is not
enough to say that economizing by using it yields any benefit other than
to expose the designer as a cheap, stupid *******, at best.

msg wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:

snip
Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but
some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to
a single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.


True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in
businesses, rather than at ISPs.


From time to time (for many years now) I deal with issues involving H.323
and RTP connectivity (payload contains IP information) and I am always
surprised by the number of ISPs I encounter that NAT their clients. These
are mostly small operators and often rural. I too run a neighborhood WISP
that NATs the clients, many of whom use the same O/S and NNTP user agents,
and I would be quite distressed if newsgroup readers assumed that IP
addresses and message headers uniquely identify the poster who just
happened
to be a neighbor and not myself.

On the bright side, DimBulb clearly isn't on a NATed IP, so one can
confidently filter him out with it.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:00:46 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

Go **** yourself, DimBulb.


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. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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Siad the total retard with the totally retarded and immature sig for
all to see. That places your mental age at no more than 14, you retarded
BlownBulb dumb****.

*yawn*

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. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:50:21 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

msg wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:

snip
Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but
some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to
a single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.


True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in
businesses, rather than at ISPs.


From time to time (for many years now) I deal with issues involving H.323
and RTP connectivity (payload contains IP information) and I am always
surprised by the number of ISPs I encounter that NAT their clients. These
are mostly small operators and often rural. I too run a neighborhood WISP
that NATs the clients, many of whom use the same O/S and NNTP user agents,
and I would be quite distressed if newsgroup readers assumed that IP
addresses and message headers uniquely identify the poster who just
happened
to be a neighbor and not myself.

On the bright side, DimBulb clearly isn't on a NATed IP, so one can
confidently filter him out with it.


You're an idiot. I can obtain a new IP ANY time I wish, you retarded
piece of ****.

You dumb****s are so goddamned stupid that you do not even know how an
ISP operates anymore... if you ever did.

Just so you know, I work with HAIPE v3 IP encryption gear every day.

You ain't "all that", Larter. You are "all of nothing".

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:50:21 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

msg wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:

snip
Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but
some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to
a single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.


True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in
businesses, rather than at ISPs.


From time to time (for many years now) I deal with issues involving H.323
and RTP connectivity (payload contains IP information) and I am always
surprised by the number of ISPs I encounter that NAT their clients. These
are mostly small operators and often rural. I too run a neighborhood WISP
that NATs the clients, many of whom use the same O/S and NNTP user agents,
and I would be quite distressed if newsgroup readers assumed that IP
addresses and message headers uniquely identify the poster who just
happened
to be a neighbor and not myself.

On the bright side, DimBulb clearly isn't on a NATed IP, so one can
confidently filter him out with it.


Bwuahahahahahah! Filter boy doesn't have a clue.

Just so you know, idiot, this is all on the same cable modem.

I *could* also get on the wireless and simply grab up any number of
currently unsecured networks in the local area, but that *would* be
illegal, as opposed to the fact that I have done nothing illegal on my
computer.

Om the bright side, I can prod you upside da haed ANY TIME I want to,
idiot.

Dr. Heywood R. Floyd wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:50:21 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

msg wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:
snip
Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but
some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to
a single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.

True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in
businesses, rather than at ISPs.

From time to time (for many years now) I deal with issues involving H.323
and RTP connectivity (payload contains IP information) and I am always
surprised by the number of ISPs I encounter that NAT their clients. These
are mostly small operators and often rural. I too run a neighborhood WISP
that NATs the clients, many of whom use the same O/S and NNTP user agents,
and I would be quite distressed if newsgroup readers assumed that IP
addresses and message headers uniquely identify the poster who just
happened
to be a neighbor and not myself.
On the bright side, DimBulb clearly isn't on a NATed IP, so one can
confidently filter him out with it.


You're an idiot. I can obtain a new IP ANY time I wish, you retarded
piece of ****.

You dumb****s are so goddamned stupid that you do not even know how an
ISP operates anymore... if you ever did.

Just so you know, I work with HAIPE v3 IP encryption gear every day.

You ain't "all that", Larter. You are "all of nothing".

Wahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!11!!!!! Poor baby!


--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Heywood R. Floyd wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:50:21 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

msg wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:
snip
Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but
some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to
a single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.

True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in
businesses, rather than at ISPs.

From time to time (for many years now) I deal with issues involving H.323
and RTP connectivity (payload contains IP information) and I am always
surprised by the number of ISPs I encounter that NAT their clients. These
are mostly small operators and often rural. I too run a neighborhood WISP
that NATs the clients, many of whom use the same O/S and NNTP user agents,
and I would be quite distressed if newsgroup readers assumed that IP
addresses and message headers uniquely identify the poster who just
happened
to be a neighbor and not myself.
On the bright side, DimBulb clearly isn't on a NATed IP, so one can
confidently filter him out with it.


Bwuahahahahahah! Filter boy doesn't have a clue.

Just so you know, idiot, this is all on the same cable modem.

Gee, I never would've guessed, genius.

I *could* also get on the wireless and simply grab up any number of
currently unsecured networks in the local area, but that *would* be
illegal, as opposed to the fact that I have done nothing illegal on my
computer.

You should learn to speak English.

Om the bright side, I can prod you upside da haed ANY TIME I want to,
idiot.

Can you? - I don't think so.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

"Rich Grise" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:45 -0700, spamtrap1888 wrote:

Silver does not oxidize so much as it tarnishes, by picking up sulfur
from
the air.

I once watched a guy build a 1KW linear out of surplus parts. He had this
beautiful silver-plated tank coil, and this idiot SAMDPAPERED the tarnish
off!
Can you say "skin effect", boys and girls? ;-)
Cheers!
Rich


I polished the roller coaster ATU in my 62 set with Brasso many years ago,
but i think that was solid silver wire?
My concern was to get a low resistance contact with the pick up wheel,
rather than any surface effect.

Steve Terry

On Apr 23, 4:12*am, Bob Larter wrote:
Dr. Heywood R. Floyd wrote:



On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:50:21 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:

msg wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:
snip
Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but
some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to
a single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP..

True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in
businesses, rather than at ISPs.

*From time to time (for many years now) I deal with issues involving H.323
and RTP connectivity (payload contains IP information) and I am always
surprised by the number of ISPs I encounter that NAT their clients. These
are mostly small operators and often rural. I too run a neighborhood WISP
that NATs the clients, many of whom use the same O/S and NNTP user agents,
and I would be quite distressed if newsgroup readers assumed that IP
addresses and message headers uniquely identify the poster who just
happened
to be a neighbor and not myself.
On the bright side, DimBulb clearly isn't on a NATed IP, so one can
confidently filter him out with it.

* Bwuahahahahahah! *Filter boy doesn't have a clue.

*Just so you know, idiot, this is all on the same cable modem.

Gee, I never would've guessed, genius.

* I *could* also get on the wireless and simply grab up any number of
currently unsecured networks in the local area, but that *would* be
illegal, as opposed to the fact that I have done nothing illegal on my
computer.

You should learn to speak English.

* Om the bright side, I can prod you upside da haed ANY TIME I want to,
idiot.

Can you? - I don't think so.

--
* * W
* . | ,. w , * "Some people are alive only because
* *\|/ *\|/ * * it is illegal to kill them." * *Perna condita delenda est
---^----^--------------------------------------------------------------

THIS GROUP IS DISGUSTING SUCKING COX ON SCREEN FOR A LL TO SEE
WHEN DID THIS GET RELATED TO PRETINNED WIRE

I AM PROTEUS

On Apr 21, 6:13*pm, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:43:31 -0500, krw wrote:

Yes, Roy. *We know you're off your meds, again.

* Not Roy, dumb**** krw. *You are so demented that you have forgotten how
to track the people that you attack. Typical troll retardation.

CLEAN MY PROBE

YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO ATTACKS OTHERS POST HERE YOU SICK HOMOSEXUAL
****TARD
OR ARE YOU CLAIMING THE INSANITY DEFENSE IT WON'T WORK FAGGOT
I WILL STILL DEEP PROBE YOUR ANAL APERTURE CLOSET BOY

I AM PROTEUS

On Apr 22, 1:04*am, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:26:10 -0500, krw wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:13:16 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:43:31 -0500, krw wrote:

Yes, Roy. *We know you're off your meds, again.

*Not Roy, dumb**** krw. *

Yes, Roy. *We know you're off your meds.

You are so demented that you have forgotten how
to track the people that you attack. Typical troll retardation.

No, Roy. *I've not forgotten you.

* **** off, KeithTard.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

YOU ARE BOTH PSYCHOTIC

AT LEAST ROY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN ON LEGALLY PRESCRIBED MEDS
YOU TWO ARE SO HOOKED ON CRACK COCAINUM AND ILLEGAL DRUGS YOU HAVE
LOST ALL SENSE OF REALITY I WILL DEEP PROBE BOTH YOUR ANUSES AND
RETURN YOU TO A COMFORTABLE IF NOT DECENT LEVEL OF REALITY

I AM PROTEUS

On Apr 22, 7:41*pm, Mr. Haney
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:34:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 22, 3:14*pm, Rich Grise wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:19:59 -0700, Dr.Heywood wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:35:18 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:45 -0700, spamtrap1888 wrote:

Silver does not oxidize so much as it tarnishes, by picking up sulfur
from the air.

I once watched a guy build a 1KW linear out of surplus parts. He had this
beautiful silver-plated tank coil, and this idiot SAMDPAPERED the tarnish
off!

Can you say "skin effect", boys and girls? ;-)

* It could have been solid Silver.

* Also, Silver plated wire DOES have favorable skin effect, sanded or
not. *Tarnished Silver wire would not be as favorable.

*Can you say get a grip on what skin effect is?

Ever heard of "surface area"?

* The coil will do the job it is designed for in either case.

At 100% of its original efficiancy?

Thanks,
Rich- Hide quoted text -

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THAT DEPENDS ON OTHER FACTORS NOT RE3LATED TO THE CHARACTERISTICS
YOU'VE DESCRIBED

* You're an idiot, Roy.

SURFACE AREA VS COMPRESION CONNECTORS

* Wrong, Roy... *again... *as usual.

WITH TEEETH GRIPS THAT ACTUALLY SINK INTO THE WIRE ANY SPECULATION
CAN BE SAFELY CANCLELED DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE WIRE IS PIERCED AND
MECHANICALLY GRIPPED INTERNALLY NOT EXTERNALLY

* Proof that you have no clue as to what skin effect is, much less how a
cinch type connection functions.

THOUGH THIS TYPE OFCONNECTION IS HARDLY USED WHEN SPLICING CABLES THE

* You wouldn't know.

SERRATED TOOTH CONNECTORS ARE FAR BETTER OF COURSE BOLTS AND OTHER
FASTENING DEVICES SHOULD BITE INTO TYHE CABLE FOR A SOLID AND SOUND
CONDUCTIVE CONNECTION.

* You're a babbling idiot, Roy.

..TARNISHSED WIRE DOES NOT WELD WELL AND SHOULD
BE CLEANED THOROUGHLY AND PREPARED BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO ATTACH WITH
SOLDER

* Solderoing and welding are two different things, Roy. I wouldn't expect
you to know that, however.

ALL TROLLS STINK

* Go take a shower, dumb**** troll.

AND SHOULD BE DECAPTIVATED FROM THIS USENET PROCEED
AND EXECUTE KILLFILE OF ALL COX.NET USERS AND YAHOO HOMOEROTIC
DIRTBAGS

* Go fall on a sword then, idiot.

OR THE RETURN OF THEE MIGHTY WONT VOLT IS EMMINENT

* Just leave, Roy. And STAY the **** OUT! You stupid troll ****!- Hide quoted text -

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MR. HANKEY GO DEEP PROBE YOURSELF

I AM NOT ROY AND I DO NOT RECALL ANY EXCHANGE BETWEEN YOU AND USER ROY
WHEN HE WAS HERE THERE IS NO ONLINE RECORD OF ROY EVER CONTACTING YOU
EIITHER YOU FAGGOTY ****TARDY TROLL YOU MUST BE A FAGGOT LIKE THE
OTHERS LONGING FOR A DEEP PROBING MEAT STCIK REFER YOUR QUERIES TO ME
FROM NOW ON AND AVOID ANY FURTHER EMBARRASMENT

IF YOU CANNOT REACH YOUR ANUS FOR A DEEP PROBING
BEND OVER I WILL TEAR YOU A NEW ANUS FOR YOU AND PROBE YOU ALL THE WAY
UP TO YOUR PEWNY GAYTARD BRAIN

I AM PROTEUS

On Apr 23, 12:38*am, Dr. Heywood R. Floyd
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:50:21 +1000, Bob Larter
wrote:





msg wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:

msg wrote:

snip
Indeed, and I don't expect a large operator like Cox to do it, but
some ISPs
NAT their clients with RFC-1918 addresses, all of which translate to
a single
public IP, ergo, many NNTP users may all originate from a single IP.

True, but it's quite rare at ISPs. NATing is usually done in
businesses, rather than at ISPs.

*From time to time (for many years now) I deal with issues involving H.323
and RTP connectivity (payload contains IP information) and I am always
surprised by the number of ISPs I encounter that NAT their clients. These
are mostly small operators and often rural. I too run a neighborhood WISP
that NATs the clients, many of whom use the same O/S and NNTP user agents,
and I would be quite distressed if newsgroup readers assumed that IP
addresses and message headers uniquely identify the poster who just
happened
to be a neighbor and not myself.

On the bright side, DimBulb clearly isn't on a NATed IP, so one can
confidently filter him out with it.

* Bwuahahahahahah! *Filter boy doesn't have a clue.

*Just so you know, idiot, this is all on the same cable modem.

* I *could* also get on the wireless and simply grab up any number of
currently unsecured networks in the local area, but that *would* be
illegal, as opposed to the fact that I have done nothing illegal on my
computer.

* Om the bright side, I can prod you upside da haed ANY TIME I want to,
idiot.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

TUWAHAHAHAHA

CLOSET BOY FINALLY COMING OUT ?

SPREAD WIDE

I WANT TO TRY THIS NEW TITANIUM BASED LUBRICANT I FOUND AT NASA ON YOU

I AM PROTEUS

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:01:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I WILL DEEP


Shut up, Roy, you absolute retard.