I have a used 1993 RCA/GE CTC177 tv set that says PIP on the front
case that I picked up junking. The set works great once I fixed the
tuner solder problem. I only have a universal remote and am wondering
how to get into the PIP mode. I know there is a service mode by
holding down the menu and the power and volume buttons, but don't want
to screw things up. I tried finding the owners manual, but didn't
conme up with anything.

Suggestions....., TIA

Bob Hofmann

You need a remote control with the PIP function.

It's interesting you brought this up, because I was just about to discuss
the fact that many remotes lack critical functions. For example, I've never
found a universal remote that accesses the fancy features of my Toshiba
CZ-3299K. (Indeed, none of them support the 0 button!) It appears this is
because Toshiba failed or refused to supply these codes to Sony, GE, etc.

I will be contacting Toshiba shortly.

Good luck finding the remote you need. You probably won't.

William Sommerwerck wrote in message
. ..
You need a remote control with the PIP function.

It's interesting you brought this up, because I was just about to discuss
the fact that many remotes lack critical functions. For example, I've
never
found a universal remote that accesses the fancy features of my Toshiba
CZ-3299K. (Indeed, none of them support the 0 button!) It appears this is
because Toshiba failed or refused to supply these codes to Sony, GE, etc.

I will be contacting Toshiba shortly.

Good luck finding the remote you need. You probably won't.




How easy would it be to do something like the following for these too common
situations

IR detector reading the shrouded output of the non-universal remote, set up
with some of the main operational codes for the kit in question.
Gate out the function codes, leaving the ident code and gate in a fully
pre-settable pulse sequence instead.
Buffer and output the recombination to another IR diode until you hit on a
functional auxiliary code and save that on a learing "universal" remote.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

William Sommerwerck wrote in message
. ..
You need a remote control with the PIP function.

It's interesting you brought this up, because I was just about to discuss
the fact that many remotes lack critical functions. For example, I've
never
found a universal remote that accesses the fancy features of my Toshiba
CZ-3299K. (Indeed, none of them support the 0 button!) It appears this is
because Toshiba failed or refused to supply these codes to Sony, GE, etc.

I will be contacting Toshiba shortly.

Good luck finding the remote you need. You probably won't.




How easy would it be to do something like the following for these too common
situations

IR detector reading the shrouded output of the non-universal remote, set up
with some of the main operational codes for the kit in question.
Gate out the function codes, leaving the ident code and gate in a fully
pre-settable pulse sequence instead.
Buffer and output the recombination to another IR diode until you hit on a
functional auxiliary code and save that on a learing "universal" remote.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

William Sommerwerck wrote in message
. ..
You need a remote control with the PIP function.

It's interesting you brought this up, because I was just about to discuss
the fact that many remotes lack critical functions. For example, I've
never
found a universal remote that accesses the fancy features of my Toshiba
CZ-3299K. (Indeed, none of them support the 0 button!) It appears this is
because Toshiba failed or refused to supply these codes to Sony, GE, etc.

I will be contacting Toshiba shortly.

Good luck finding the remote you need. You probably won't.




How easy would it be to do something like the following for these too common
situations

IR detector reading the shrouded output of the non-universal remote, set up
with one of the main operational codes for the kit in question.
Gate out the function coding, leaving the ident code and gate in a fully
variable
pre-settable pulse sequence instead.
Buffer and output the recombination to another IR diode until you hit on a
functional auxiliary code and save that on a learing "universal" remote.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

William Sommerwerck wrote:

Good luck finding the remote you need. You probably won't.


The news is not that grim....

There are plenty of companies that distribute compatible remotes for
sets that are not covered by the dollar shop universals, say for strange
additional button requirements.

http://www.classic-serviceparts.com is one such company here in the UK.
There must be equivalents where the OP is.

There are also companies that make universal remotes like 'One 4 all'
that can have buttons custom programmed using phone services or even
connection to a PC.

There are infra red learning remotes that, if you can get access to
another handset, can be programmed similary with the matching codeset of
the original. Finally, a PDA or mobile phone with infra red can be
programmed likewise to act as a remote.

--
Adrian C

On Jun 30, 12:32*pm, "N Cook" wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote in message

. ..

You need a remote control with the PIP function.

It's interesting you brought this up, because I was just about to discuss
the fact that many remotes lack critical functions. For example, I've
never
found a universal remote that accesses the fancy features of my Toshiba
CZ-3299K. (Indeed, none of them support the 0 button!) It appears this is
because Toshiba failed or refused to supply these codes to Sony, GE, etc.

I will be contacting Toshiba shortly.

Good luck finding the remote you need. You probably won't.

How easy would it be to do something like the following for these too common
situations

IR detector reading the shrouded output of the non-universal remote, set up
with one of the main operational codes for the kit in question.
Gate out the function coding, leaving the ident code and gate in a fully
variable
pre-settable pulse sequence instead.
Buffer and output the recombination to another IR diode until you hit on a
functional auxiliary code and save that on a learing "universal" remote.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list onhttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

But, I think behind the fancy terminology, you mean to say I should
copy the signal from a "factory" remote to get into the PIP mode. I
would do that if I had the factory remote, but I don't have it so your
scheme is not good for me. Any other ideas?

Bob Hofmann

Adrian C wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Good luck finding the remote you need. You probably won't.


The news is not that grim....

There are plenty of companies that distribute compatible remotes for
sets that are not covered by the dollar shop universals, say for strange
additional button requirements.


Try MCM Electronics. They claim ...

"MCM is an authorized distributor for Thomson Consumer Electronics. We
have access to virtually every remote they offer. Please contact your
salesperson"

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/search.aspx?M=01005369

--
Adrian C

On Jul 1, 6:01*am, Adrian C wrote:
Adrian C wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Good luck finding the remote you need. You probably won't.

The news is not that grim....

There are plenty of companies that distribute compatible remotes for
sets that are not covered by the dollar shop universals, say for strange
additional button requirements.

Try MCM Electronics. They claim ...

"MCM is an authorized distributor for Thomson Consumer Electronics. We
have access to virtually every remote they offer. Please contact your
salesperson"

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/search.aspx?M=01005369

--
Adrian C

Thanks!!

"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
On Jul 1, 6:01 am, Adrian C wrote:
Adrian C wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Good luck finding the remote you need. You probably won't.

The news is not that grim....
There are plenty of companies that distribute compatible remotes for
sets that are not covered by the dollar shop universals, say for strange
additional button requirements.

Try MCM Electronics. They claim ...

"MCM is an authorized distributor for Thomson Consumer Electronics. We
have access to virtually every remote they offer. Please contact your
salesperson"

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/search.aspx?M=01005369

Adrian C

Thanks!!


I don't think those who replied got the point I was making. You'll have no
trouble finding a remote labelled as being right for your TV. The "catch" is
that the advanced functions MIGHT NOT BE SUPPORTED.

I'll contact MCM today. I bet they won't have the remotest idea what I'm
talking about.

I just purchased a GE remote that includes a locator device (principally for
that). * I ran through every one of the dozen codes supplied for Toshiba
TVs -- and not one of them had either the 0, or anything beyond displaying
the PIP. (You can't select what the PIP displays.)

* You won't believe this, but Home Despot had the lowest price, including
anyone on the Web.

William Sommerwerck wrote:

I don't think those who replied got the point I was making. You'll have no
trouble finding a remote labelled as being right for your TV. The "catch" is
that the advanced functions MIGHT NOT BE SUPPORTED.

Some closer that others. The manufacturer's original right on!!! This
isn't the toughest chore on the planet. Do you run a TV shop?

--
Adrian C

On Jul 2, 2:43*pm, Adrian C wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:

I don't think those who replied got the point I was making. You'll have no
trouble finding a remote labelled as being right for your TV. The "catch" is
that the advanced functions MIGHT NOT BE SUPPORTED.

Some closer that others. The manufacturer's original right on!!! This
isn't the toughest chore on the planet. Do you run a TV shop?

--
Adrian C

I contacted MCM and they said tht a remote with the PIP functions is
not available (thru them at least).

Bob Hofmann

"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
On Jul 2, 2:43 pm, Adrian C wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:

I don't think those who replied got the point I was making. You'll have
no
trouble finding a remote labelled as being right for your TV. The
"catch" is
that the advanced functions MIGHT NOT BE SUPPORTED.

Some closer that others. The manufacturer's original right on!!! This
isn't the toughest chore on the planet. Do you run a TV shop?

I contacted MCM and they said tht a remote with the PIP functions is
not available (thru them at least).

Thanks. I was rather busy today.

Is that true for any and all brands? Or just some?

"hr(bob) " wrote:

I contacted MCM and they said tht a remote with the PIP functions is
not available (thru them at least).


Have you tried http://www.remotes.com/


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"hr(bob) " wrote in message
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I have a used 1993 RCA/GE CTC177 tv set that says PIP on the front
case that I picked up junking. The set works great once I fixed the
tuner solder problem. I only have a universal remote and am wondering
how to get into the PIP mode. I know there is a service mode by
holding down the menu and the power and volume buttons, but don't want
to screw things up. I tried finding the owners manual, but didn't
conme up with anything.

Suggestions....., TIA

Bob Hofmann

www.replacementremotes.com