My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up. Unfortunately he is
around 100 miles away so I do not have more information. There were no
changes made to the PC that might have caused this.
At first glance it is easy to blame the P/S itself, but a new replacement
did not help.

A detail: He reports that with either supply there is a single LED on the
M/B that lights up. What controls this light?
On either P/S there is no other sign of life. No fans turn on.

What are the likely causes?

I have considered some. The power switch may have failed. Or the mechanical
link from the front panel to the switch.

IIRC there is a pin on the M/B-P/S connector that provides an input to the
supply so that the supply turns on.. Is that a set level? What controls it?

I am considering having him drive down with it. I can repair electronic
devices, but I have never come across this situation.

Is there a likelihood that the fault is in the M/B?


Thanks,

Charlie

"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up. Unfortunately he is
around 100 miles away so I do not have more information. There were no
changes made to the PC that might have caused this.
At first glance it is easy to blame the P/S itself, but a new replacement
did not help.

A detail: He reports that with either supply there is a single LED on the
M/B that lights up. What controls this light?
On either P/S there is no other sign of life. No fans turn on.

What are the likely causes?

I have considered some. The power switch may have failed. Or the
mechanical
link from the front panel to the switch.

IIRC there is a pin on the M/B-P/S connector that provides an input to the
supply so that the supply turns on.. Is that a set level? What controls
it?

I am considering having him drive down with it. I can repair electronic
devices, but I have never come across this situation.

Is there a likelihood that the fault is in the M/B?


Thanks,

Charlie



The light is simply wired to the standby output of the PSU.

I've seen bad motherboards cause this, could also be the power button or the
wiring between that and the motherboard. The other time I saw this the
graphics card was not fully inserted in the slot.

In article 2FoQj.7$1m3.5@trndny02, says...


"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up. Unfortunately he is
around 100 miles away so I do not have more information. There were no
changes made to the PC that might have caused this.
At first glance it is easy to blame the P/S itself, but a new replacement
did not help.

A detail: He reports that with either supply there is a single LED on the
M/B that lights up. What controls this light?
On either P/S there is no other sign of life. No fans turn on.

What are the likely causes?

I have considered some. The power switch may have failed. Or the
mechanical
link from the front panel to the switch.

IIRC there is a pin on the M/B-P/S connector that provides an input to the
supply so that the supply turns on.. Is that a set level? What controls
it?

I am considering having him drive down with it. I can repair electronic
devices, but I have never come across this situation.

Is there a likelihood that the fault is in the M/B?


Thanks,

Charlie



The light is simply wired to the standby output of the PSU.

I've seen bad motherboards cause this, could also be the power button or the
wiring between that and the motherboard. The other time I saw this the
graphics card was not fully inserted in the slot.



I have seen that symptom caused by bad RAM, overclocking the CPU,
corrupt BIOS. Sometimes a bad PSU will pop the MB's regulation system
too. You will find that most E-machines are considered disposable due to
the their low cost. Make sure the replacement PSU is pin compatible with
the old one. Just because the connectors are the same, doesn't mean the
the pins are carrying the same voltages.

I would remove all cards (not RAM) so the system is bare bones, and see
if it generates a no video card error. At least you know the system is
doing POST (Pre Operating System Tests) at that point. You can also try
to move the RAM to a different slot, as failure with ram in the first 64
megs or so will cause the system to refuse to do POST. Sometimes moving
it will clean flaky contacts. The ram should run in any slot, providing
it meets the specs for that slot. Some MBs have 2 different kinds of
slots on the same board. Of course if the ram is bad, then it may not
boot at all.

I had one guy complain that the system he built would come on then
immediately go off, so it *had* to be defective cpu or the like. It
turned out that he had not mounted the CPU heatsink and fan properly,
and it was up on one side. The cpu heated up very quickly, and shut the
system down to protect itself. Gotta love those AMD CPU safeguards. Once
the problem was rectified, the computer ran like a charm, and he is
still using it today.

- Tim -

Charlie Bress wrote:

My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up. Unfortunately
he is around 100 miles away so I do not have more information. There
were no changes made to the PC that might have caused this.
At first glance it is easy to blame the P/S itself, but a new
replacement did not help.

A detail: He reports that with either supply there is a single LED on
the M/B that lights up. What controls this light?
On either P/S there is no other sign of life. No fans turn on.

What are the likely causes?

I have considered some. The power switch may have failed. Or the
mechanical link from the front panel to the switch.

IIRC there is a pin on the M/B-P/S connector that provides an input to
the supply so that the supply turns on.. Is that a set level? What
controls it?

I am considering having him drive down with it. I can repair
electronic devices, but I have never come across this situation.

Is there a likelihood that the fault is in the M/B?


Thanks,

Charlie

This is a very common Emachines failure mode ! About three years old ?
M/b CPU, PSU usually. Very often other items are taken out as well.
Unfortunately the little led only means the the sb power is there.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

"Tim" wrote in message
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In article 2FoQj.7$1m3.5@trndny02, says...


"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up. Unfortunately he
is
around 100 miles away so I do not have more information. There were no
changes made to the PC that might have caused this.
At first glance it is easy to blame the P/S itself, but a new
replacement
did not help.

A detail: He reports that with either supply there is a single LED on
the
M/B that lights up. What controls this light?
On either P/S there is no other sign of life. No fans turn on.

What are the likely causes?

I have considered some. The power switch may have failed. Or the
mechanical
link from the front panel to the switch.

IIRC there is a pin on the M/B-P/S connector that provides an input to
the
supply so that the supply turns on.. Is that a set level? What controls
it?

I am considering having him drive down with it. I can repair electronic
devices, but I have never come across this situation.

Is there a likelihood that the fault is in the M/B?


Thanks,

Charlie



The light is simply wired to the standby output of the PSU.

I've seen bad motherboards cause this, could also be the power button or
the
wiring between that and the motherboard. The other time I saw this the
graphics card was not fully inserted in the slot.



I have seen that symptom caused by bad RAM, overclocking the CPU,
corrupt BIOS. Sometimes a bad PSU will pop the MB's regulation system
too. You will find that most E-machines are considered disposable due to
the their low cost. Make sure the replacement PSU is pin compatible with
the old one. Just because the connectors are the same, doesn't mean the
the pins are carrying the same voltages.

I would remove all cards (not RAM) so the system is bare bones, and see
if it generates a no video card error. At least you know the system is
doing POST (Pre Operating System Tests) at that point. You can also try
to move the RAM to a different slot, as failure with ram in the first 64
megs or so will cause the system to refuse to do POST. Sometimes moving
it will clean flaky contacts. The ram should run in any slot, providing
it meets the specs for that slot. Some MBs have 2 different kinds of
slots on the same board. Of course if the ram is bad, then it may not
boot at all.

I had one guy complain that the system he built would come on then
immediately go off, so it *had* to be defective cpu or the like. It
turned out that he had not mounted the CPU heatsink and fan properly,
and it was up on one side. The cpu heated up very quickly, and shut the
system down to protect itself. Gotta love those AMD CPU safeguards. Once
the problem was rectified, the computer ran like a charm, and he is
still using it today.

- Tim -

Sounds like a plan. Thanks.

BTW when I was growing up with the PC-AT, POST was Power On Self Test.

Charlie

Baron wrote:


This is a very common Emachines failure mode ! About three years old ?
M/b CPU, PSU usually. Very often other items are taken out as well.
Unfortunately the little led only means the the sb power is there.


Agreed. I don't recall the model no. but I had to deal with an
emachines pc with the same issue. Change the motherboard AND the PSU.
If you don't you'll probably find the original PSU kills the new board
as well. The cpu will probably be ok.

I used an Asrock board for no particular reason other than the job
needed doing quickly and it was what the local computer shop had in
stock. You will find that when you boot up the computer Windows XP (I
assume that is what you have) will not be happy because the motherboard
and therefore lots of onboard hardware has changed. All you need to do
to fix this is get your XP installation cd, boot up with it and do a
repair install.

--
Tim Phipps

replace "invalid" with "uk" to reply by email

Baron wrote:

This is a very common Emachines failure mode ! About three years old ?
M/b CPU, PSU usually. Very often other items are taken out as well.
Unfortunately the little led only means the the sb power is there.


Yup. Do a Google on 'Bestec' and 'Emachines'. Many tales of woe.

--
Adrian C

Greetings Charlie & others..

Regarding:
"My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up.
Unfortunately he is around 100 miles away so I do not have more
information."

In spite of a good deal of speculation here which VERY well may
be right on the mark with the anomaly, until which time that
someone (you) can put your hands in that PC to isolate what is
causing the issues - it's guess work at best. Especially at 100
miles of distance.

Something to consider, what is your time worth to fuss with it
vs. doing what Baron, Tim & Adrian suggest in just replacing the
motherboard & CPU. This is presupposing that this system is not
under warranty. Now days, with mail-order and fast delivery what
it is, it usually doesn't cost that much to remove and replace
the entire inside of the system. You've already got a new power
supply, consider the cost of going ahead with the rest of the
repair/upgrade. Regardless, as indicated, until it can be put on
the repair bench, it won't 'compute' on several fronts.

Cheers,
Mr. Mentor



"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
| My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up.
Unfortunately he is
| around 100 miles away so I do not have more information. There
were no
| changes made to the PC that might have caused this.
| At first glance it is easy to blame the P/S itself, but a new
replacement
| did not help.
|
| A detail: He reports that with either supply there is a single
LED on the
| M/B that lights up. What controls this light?
| On either P/S there is no other sign of life. No fans turn on.
|
| What are the likely causes?
|
| I have considered some. The power switch may have failed. Or
the mechanical
| link from the front panel to the switch.
|
| IIRC there is a pin on the M/B-P/S connector that provides an
input to the
| supply so that the supply turns on.. Is that a set level? What
controls it?
|
| I am considering having him drive down with it. I can repair
electronic
| devices, but I have never come across this situation.
|
| Is there a likelihood that the fault is in the M/B?
|
|
| Thanks,
|
| Charlie
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
news

"Tim" wrote in message
...
In article 2FoQj.7$1m3.5@trndny02, says...


"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up. Unfortunately
he is
around 100 miles away so I do not have more information. There were no
changes made to the PC that might have caused this.
At first glance it is easy to blame the P/S itself, but a new
replacement
did not help.

A detail: He reports that with either supply there is a single LED on
the
M/B that lights up. What controls this light?
On either P/S there is no other sign of life. No fans turn on.

What are the likely causes?

I have considered some. The power switch may have failed. Or the
mechanical
link from the front panel to the switch.

IIRC there is a pin on the M/B-P/S connector that provides an input to
the
supply so that the supply turns on.. Is that a set level? What
controls
it?

I am considering having him drive down with it. I can repair
electronic
devices, but I have never come across this situation.

Is there a likelihood that the fault is in the M/B?


Thanks,

Charlie



The light is simply wired to the standby output of the PSU.

I've seen bad motherboards cause this, could also be the power button or
the
wiring between that and the motherboard. The other time I saw this the
graphics card was not fully inserted in the slot.



I have seen that symptom caused by bad RAM, overclocking the CPU,
corrupt BIOS. Sometimes a bad PSU will pop the MB's regulation system
too. You will find that most E-machines are considered disposable due to
the their low cost. Make sure the replacement PSU is pin compatible with
the old one. Just because the connectors are the same, doesn't mean the
the pins are carrying the same voltages.

I would remove all cards (not RAM) so the system is bare bones, and see
if it generates a no video card error. At least you know the system is
doing POST (Pre Operating System Tests) at that point. You can also try
to move the RAM to a different slot, as failure with ram in the first 64
megs or so will cause the system to refuse to do POST. Sometimes moving
it will clean flaky contacts. The ram should run in any slot, providing
it meets the specs for that slot. Some MBs have 2 different kinds of
slots on the same board. Of course if the ram is bad, then it may not
boot at all.

I had one guy complain that the system he built would come on then
immediately go off, so it *had* to be defective cpu or the like. It
turned out that he had not mounted the CPU heatsink and fan properly,
and it was up on one side. The cpu heated up very quickly, and shut the
system down to protect itself. Gotta love those AMD CPU safeguards. Once
the problem was rectified, the computer ran like a charm, and he is
still using it today.

- Tim -

Sounds like a plan. Thanks.

BTW when I was growing up with the PC-AT, POST was Power On Self Test.

Charlie


To the best of my knowledge it is still Power On Self Test.

Mike

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:22:02 -0400, "Charlie Bress"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up. Unfortunately he is
around 100 miles away so I do not have more information. There were no
changes made to the PC that might have caused this.
At first glance it is easy to blame the P/S itself, but a new replacement
did not help.

A detail: He reports that with either supply there is a single LED on the
M/B that lights up. What controls this light?
On either P/S there is no other sign of life. No fans turn on.

What are the likely causes?

I have considered some. The power switch may have failed. Or the mechanical
link from the front panel to the switch.

Use a multimeter to monitor the PS_ON pin (pin 14, green) in the ATX
PS connector. It should go low when you press the front panel power
switch. The +5VSB pin (pin 9, purple) should measure +5V.

See http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml

If PS_ON doesn't go low, then something is wrong with the motherboard.
In this case it won't be the CPU or the RAM because neither are
powered in standby mode.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

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"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
news

"Tim" wrote in message
...
In article 2FoQj.7$1m3.5@trndny02, says...


"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
...
My son has an E-Machine T3828 that will not power up. Unfortunately
he is
around 100 miles away so I do not have more information. There were no
changes made to the PC that might have caused this.
At first glance it is easy to blame the P/S itself, but a new
replacement
did not help.

A detail: He reports that with either supply there is a single LED on
the
M/B that lights up. What controls this light?
On either P/S there is no other sign of life. No fans turn on.

What are the likely causes?

I have considered some. The power switch may have failed. Or the
mechanical
link from the front panel to the switch.

IIRC there is a pin on the M/B-P/S connector that provides an input to
the
supply so that the supply turns on.. Is that a set level? What
controls
it?

I am considering having him drive down with it. I can repair
electronic
devices, but I have never come across this situation.

Is there a likelihood that the fault is in the M/B?


Thanks,

Charlie



The light is simply wired to the standby output of the PSU.

I've seen bad motherboards cause this, could also be the power button or
the
wiring between that and the motherboard. The other time I saw this the
graphics card was not fully inserted in the slot.



I have seen that symptom caused by bad RAM, overclocking the CPU,
corrupt BIOS. Sometimes a bad PSU will pop the MB's regulation system
too. You will find that most E-machines are considered disposable due to
the their low cost. Make sure the replacement PSU is pin compatible with
the old one. Just because the connectors are the same, doesn't mean the
the pins are carrying the same voltages.

I would remove all cards (not RAM) so the system is bare bones, and see
if it generates a no video card error. At least you know the system is
doing POST (Pre Operating System Tests) at that point. You can also try
to move the RAM to a different slot, as failure with ram in the first 64
megs or so will cause the system to refuse to do POST. Sometimes moving
it will clean flaky contacts. The ram should run in any slot, providing
it meets the specs for that slot. Some MBs have 2 different kinds of
slots on the same board. Of course if the ram is bad, then it may not
boot at all.

I had one guy complain that the system he built would come on then
immediately go off, so it *had* to be defective cpu or the like. It
turned out that he had not mounted the CPU heatsink and fan properly,
and it was up on one side. The cpu heated up very quickly, and shut the
system down to protect itself. Gotta love those AMD CPU safeguards. Once
the problem was rectified, the computer ran like a charm, and he is
still using it today.

- Tim -

Sounds like a plan. Thanks.

BTW when I was growing up with the PC-AT, POST was Power On Self Test.

Charlie


To the best of my knowledge it is still Power On Self Test.

Mike


To avoid any more remarks, let me say that I looked up POST in my Winn
Rosch Hardware Manual, (circa 1989), which was a key reference book for
many techs. It states that the term POST is indeed "Power On Self Test".

My POST description came from years of talking to newbies about when the
system checked it's status. They could not comprehend that it happened
right after the power on, but they could understand that it happened
before the operating system loaded, hence the phrase "Pre Operating
System Test".

I guess I just got too used to using it.

- Tim -