I have a US bought portable 5" TV, I was wondering if it would work
with PAL and SECAM formats on batteries, and/or a power adapter
purchased locally (50Hz instead 60Hz).

"davidlaska" wrote in message
ups.com...
I have a US bought portable 5" TV, I was wondering if it would work
with PAL and SECAM formats on batteries, and/or a power adapter
purchased locally (50Hz instead 60Hz).


Unless it's a multisystem TV then no, it won't work with PAL or SECAM, it
needs an NTSC signal. Powering it is not the issue, the video formats are
different.

On Oct 15, 5:47 pm, "James Sweet" wrote:
"davidlaska" wrote in message

ups.com...

I have a US bought portable 5" TV, I was wondering if it would work
with PAL and SECAM formats on batteries, and/or a power adapter
purchased locally (50Hz instead 60Hz).

Unless it's a multisystem TV then no, it won't work with PAL or SECAM, it
needs an NTSC signal. Powering it is not the issue, the video formats are
different.

You didn't answer his other question and yes, if he purchases a power
adapter then locally then yes, it will power on the t.v.

On Oct 15, 5:27 pm, davidlaska wrote:
I have a US bought portable 5" TV, I was wondering if it would work
with PAL and SECAM formats on batteries, and/or a power adapter
purchased locally (50Hz instead 60Hz).

Since you're using Google Groups you should get familiar with their
web search engine as well. This is for techs asking other techs about
repair that the are currently performing. Your question WAS NOT a
repair question it was a general electronics question.

Do it again and I will send a complant to like
I have done with several other posters today.

On Oct 15, 5:47 pm, "James Sweet" wrote:
"davidlaska" wrote in message

ups.com...

I have a US bought portable 5" TV, I was wondering if it would work
with PAL and SECAM formats on batteries, and/or a power adapter
purchased locally (50Hz instead 60Hz).

Unless it's a multisystem TV then no, it won't work with PAL or SECAM, it
needs an NTSC signal. Powering it is not the issue, the video formats are
different.

I got it. Older TV will not work unless it is an uncommon multisystem.

On Oct 15, 6:03 pm, Lynn wrote:
snip
Since you're using Google Groups you should get familiar with their
web search engine as well. This is for techs asking other techs
about
repair that the are currently performing. Your question WAS NOT a
repair question it was a general electronics question.

Do it again and I will send a complant to
like
I have done with several other posters today.

Hey self appointed usenet cop. Does your complaining include foul
language? This is a quote from YOU on October 14

"""
"Y'all"

I guess I can forget about my theory of you living in your mother's
basement jerking off to fat bitches on Flickr.

Apparently you live in a trailer and **** your fat cousin.

"""

Try reporting yourself ya blowhard.

GG

James Sweet wrote:

"davidlaska" wrote in message
ups.com...
I have a US bought portable 5" TV, I was wondering if it would work
with PAL and SECAM formats on batteries, and/or a power adapter
purchased locally (50Hz instead 60Hz).


Unless it's a multisystem TV then no, it won't work with PAL or SECAM, it
needs an NTSC signal. Powering it is not the issue, the video formats are
different.

There are other issues too. PAL and SECAM are color encoding systems,
tranmissions systems vary also. For example, here in Israel we use PAL
G, which is the UHF version of PAL B. Germany also uses PAL B and G.
England, South Africa and Oz, use PAL-I (if they have analog television
at all), which uses different channel frequencies and different audio
carrier frequencies within the channel.

France's SECAM system is unqiue in that they used different channel
spacings and their audio carrier is AM instead of FM (the rest of the
world uses FM). Many countires use SECAM with PAL B/G transmission
standards, such as the Soviet Union (which means that Russia and the
other former Soviet states still do), and the PRC.

Tiawan I think uses NTSC. This form of SECAM was informally called
MESECAM (Middle East SECAM) and was on available on 2 and 3 system
multisysem VCR's and TV sets from the 1980's.

Note that some countries have a TV tax, and that bringing a TV
set into the country may be restricted.

Geoff.

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davidlaska wrote:

I got it. Older TV will not work unless it is an uncommon multisystem.

They are uncommon in the U.S. In the rest of the world they are very common.
I don't know about Canada and Mexico, but my guess is that since France is
SECAM, the French part of Canada has some in stores, and that since Spain
is PAL, Mexico is the same way.

When I lived in the U.S. I was able find them in stores that catered to
saliors and other travelers (taxes are higher in many parts of the world)
and Indian groceries.

Last year when we bought our children a new TV set, we got them a Hitachi
21" (glasss tube) set that was multivoltage and multisystem. It was about
the same price here as you could mail order it in the U.S. with U.S.
shipping costs. It has a "universal" tuner, but I'm not sure that it
will work in the U.K. or France.

Since it has composite, S-video and YBCR inputs, it will connect to
just about any vcr, DVD, cable or satellite box.

Most people don't know this, but DVD's are encoded in either PAL
(24 or 25 FPS) or NTSC (24/1001 or or 30/10001 FPS), but not SECAM.
This has nothing to do with zones. U.S. DVD players always convert
the frame rate to NTSC (30/1001), ones made for sale elsewhere have
an option for multisystem, NTSC or PAL. An early one of mine had a
mutisystem/PAL switch on the back, new ones have it as a setup option.

I assume DVD players sold in FRANCE have SECAM as an output option,
possibly replacing PAL. If your TV has NTSC only playback, you can
get a cheap DVD player with the multisystem option and watch DVDs.
If it has a SECAM baseband input, then you can use a cable/sat
box or VCR to drive it.

Note that terrestrial analog TV is a dying thing. It will be gone in
a year from the U.S. and in some places never went far. Here in Israel,
we have the government channel 1 (with 2 other channels on satellite
and cable) and a second commercial channel. Besides imported programing,
there is a second commercial channel and a local Russian language channel,
both cable/sat only.

We used to have Middle East TV from Lebanon, which was relgious
Christian TV on Sunday, and old U.S. programs but they moved to Cyprus
and went satellite only. We also had Jordan channel two, which was mixed
English and French, but it was dropped when Abdulah took over. Both were
VHF, the Israeli channels are UHF.

If you are buying the TV because you plan to move there, even for
a short time, you would IMHO be better off renting/buying one when
you get there. If you are touring around, and just want to see what's
on, you may be disapointed.

Since I assume by your name you are in Alaska, I'll speculate that you
really asked because you want to be able to watch satellite TV from other
places than the U.S. Forgive me if I'm wrong. :-)

If that's the case, feel free to email privately and I'll point you
in the right direction.

Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

On 16 oct, 10:35, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:

I don't know about Canada and Mexico, but my guess is that since France is
SECAM, the French part of Canada has some in stores, and that since Spain
is PAL, Mexico is the same way.

Sadly not the case. Mexico is NTSC; Argentina urguay and praguay
however use Pal-N - that is 50hz frame rate and 3.58 mhz colour
subcarrier (like NTSC).

Here is Spain, as in most of mainland europe bar France and UK, it is
PAL BG - 50hz frame rate 4.43 colour subcarrier.

If you are buying the TV because you plan to move there, even for
a short time, you would IMHO be better off renting/buying one when
you get there. If you are touring around, and just want to see what's
on, you may be disapointed.

that is good advice. Tvs these days are easy to find and relatively
inexpensive especially used ones.
-B

b wrote:
Here is Spain, as in most of mainland europe bar France and UK, it is
PAL BG - 50hz frame rate 4.43 colour subcarrier.


PAL B is VHF, PAL G is UHF. Does anyone in Spain still use PAL B?

Geoff.


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

On 16 oct, 15:54, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
b wrote:
Here is Spain, as in most of mainland europe bar France and UK, it is
PAL BG - 50hz frame rate 4.43 colour subcarrier.

PAL B is VHF, PAL G is UHF. Does anyone in Spain still use PAL B?

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog athttp://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

Hi Geoff

Pal B (VHF 2-4 and 5-12) is used here for some local stations (canal
sur Andalucia amongst others) and sometimes in internal communal
antenna distribution systems in blocks of flats. But not for anything
national. it is not widely used probably as it's more prone to
interference than UHF,.

B

On Oct 15, 9:48 pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 6:03 pm, Lynn wrote:
snip
Since you're using Google Groups you should get familiar with their
web search engine as well. This is for techs asking other techs
about
repair that the are currently performing. Your question WAS NOT a
repair question it was a general electronics question.

Do it again and I will send a complant to
like
I have done with several other posters today.

Hey self appointed usenet cop. Does your complaining include foul
language? This is a quote from YOU on October 14

"""
"Y'all"

I guess I can forget about my theory of you living in your mother's
basement jerking off to fat bitches on Flickr.

Apparently you live in a trailer and **** your fat cousin.

"""

Try reporting yourself ya blowhard.

GG

How about I just report you, pig.

On Oct 16, 5:12 pm, Lynn wrote:
On Oct 15, 9:48 pm, wrote:





On Oct 15, 6:03 pm, Lynn wrote:
snip
Since you're using Google Groups you should get familiar with their
web search engine as well. This is for techs asking other techs
about
repair that the are currently performing. Your question WAS NOT a
repair question it was a general electronics question.

Do it again and I will send a complant to
like
I have done with several other posters today.

Hey self appointed usenet cop. Does your complaining include foul
language? This is a quote from YOU on October 14

"""
"Y'all"

I guess I can forget about my theory of you living in your mother's
basement jerking off to fat bitches on Flickr.

Apparently you live in a trailer and **** your fat cousin.

"""

Try reporting yourself ya blowhard.

GG

How about I just report you, pig.- Hide quoted text -

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Its really a shame that low lifes like this one pollute usenet. how
about we report YOU pig.

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On Oct 16, 5:12 pm, Lynn wrote:





On Oct 15, 9:48 pm, wrote:

On Oct 15, 6:03 pm, Lynn wrote:
snip
Since you're using Google Groups you should get familiar with their
web search engine as well. This is for techs asking other techs
about
repair that the are currently performing. Your question WAS NOT a
repair question it was a general electronics question.

Do it again and I will send a complant to
like
I have done with several other posters today.

Hey self appointed usenet cop. Does your complaining include foul
language? This is a quote from YOU on October 14

"""
"Y'all"

I guess I can forget about my theory of you living in your mother's
basement jerking off to fat bitches on Flickr.

Apparently you live in a trailer and **** your fat cousin.

"""

Try reporting yourself ya blowhard.

GG

How about I just report you, pig.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Its really a shame that low lifes like this one pollute usenet. how
about we report YOU pig.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can do that.

But, you will not eat and you're not going to play your wretched Glen
Houston ****.