Because of neighbours and respect for my own hearing I can only check out
combo amps, after repair, in the thermal and electrical power sense with a
dummy load.
Any thoughts on making a vibrational platform driven in range 1/5 to 5 Hz
range say via fractional HP AC or DC motor or large solenoid?
Or are mechanical component failures due more to hours and hours of various
vibration rather than excessive but short duration resonant vibrations, so
it would be a waste of time.

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Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

Meat Plow wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:31:17 +0100, N Cook wrote:

Because of neighbours and respect for my own hearing I can only check
out
combo amps, after repair, in the thermal and electrical power sense with
a
dummy load.
Any thoughts on making a vibrational platform driven in range 1/5 to 5
Hz
range say via fractional HP AC or DC motor or large solenoid?
Or are mechanical component failures due more to hours and hours of
various
vibration rather than excessive but short duration resonant vibrations,
so
it would be a waste of time.

Waste of time. Vibration failure in those amps can be from overtones and
resonates along with main frequencies that can hone in on weak spots.



Sounds a likely reason.

When fixing replacement resistors to ones that have fractured, always at or
in the board, these days I add a ceramic bead insulator near the resistor
body and then slightly compressed block of that orange silicone rubber found
on photocopier pressure rollers that abutt the fuser roller, between bead
and board to , in theory, damp any vibration.
Given a free choice of the material for such resistor leads, what would you
choose.?
Obviously the copper rich leads must work harden and then fail. What about
brass pins or multistrand copper wire swathed in solder to bulk up to rigid,
any other suggestions ?
I imagine if you placed a small solderable collar on the component side of
the pcb then the lead would fail at the top of the collar instead.
Where heat is the problem , so failed joint , rather than failed lead, I run
the lead through the pcb and along the trace for a more distributed solder
joint.


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

N Cook wrote:
Because of neighbours and respect for my own hearing I can only check out
combo amps, after repair, in the thermal and electrical power sense with a
dummy load.
Any thoughts on making a vibrational platform driven in range 1/5 to 5 Hz
range say via fractional HP AC or DC motor or large solenoid?
Or are mechanical component failures due more to hours and hours of various
vibration rather than excessive but short duration resonant vibrations, so
it would be a waste of time.

Do what musicians do.

Bounce it up a flight of cellar stairs then roll it across some block
paving on a dolly with rigid wheels, then hurl it into the back of a
Transit van. Be sure to pack it so that it`s regularly bumping against
some other item of gear, then drive it at least a couple of hundred
miles - be sure to get in some inner city potholed roads.
After carelessly unloading the van in the rain, roll the amp across some
cobbles before dragging it up three flights of the fire escape making
sure to clip a door frame or two as you enter the venue, finally balance
said amp precariously on a couple of wobbly beer crates.

you`ll naturally have to miss out the next stage out of respect for your
hearing, but normally the amp is subjected to a prolonged thrashing at
volume 11 for a good two hours with an old bar towel over any
ventilation slots - you should be sure that plenty of clipping and
distortion occurs for this to be a proper scientific test. It`s also
best if the amp is connected to a dodgy power source via a pound shop
four way extension socket. To avoid any unexpected quiet moments,
replace the fuse with silver paper from fag packet.

Repeat the above in reverse order (apart from the actual playing of
course) making sure that the amp doesn`t have time to cool down before
being left outside in the rain for a while before it`s bumpy journey
home and subsequent deposit back in the damp cellar.

Repeat three to four times a week and if the amp can withstand that,
it`ll survive anything you can throw at it in your workshop.

Hope this helps

Ron(UK)

Ron(UK) wrote in message
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N Cook wrote:
Because of neighbours and respect for my own hearing I can only check
out
combo amps, after repair, in the thermal and electrical power sense with
a
dummy load.
Any thoughts on making a vibrational platform driven in range 1/5 to 5
Hz
range say via fractional HP AC or DC motor or large solenoid?
Or are mechanical component failures due more to hours and hours of
various
vibration rather than excessive but short duration resonant vibrations,
so
it would be a waste of time.

Do what musicians do.

Bounce it up a flight of cellar stairs then roll it across some block
paving on a dolly with rigid wheels, then hurl it into the back of a
Transit van. Be sure to pack it so that it`s regularly bumping against
some other item of gear, then drive it at least a couple of hundred
miles - be sure to get in some inner city potholed roads.
After carelessly unloading the van in the rain, roll the amp across some
cobbles before dragging it up three flights of the fire escape making
sure to clip a door frame or two as you enter the venue, finally balance
said amp precariously on a couple of wobbly beer crates.

you`ll naturally have to miss out the next stage out of respect for your
hearing, but normally the amp is subjected to a prolonged thrashing at
volume 11 for a good two hours with an old bar towel over any
ventilation slots - you should be sure that plenty of clipping and
distortion occurs for this to be a proper scientific test. It`s also
best if the amp is connected to a dodgy power source via a pound shop
four way extension socket. To avoid any unexpected quiet moments,
replace the fuse with silver paper from fag packet.

Repeat the above in reverse order (apart from the actual playing of
course) making sure that the amp doesn`t have time to cool down before
being left outside in the rain for a while before it`s bumpy journey
home and subsequent deposit back in the damp cellar.

Repeat three to four times a week and if the amp can withstand that,
it`ll survive anything you can throw at it in your workshop.

Hope this helps

Ron(UK)

Didn't HH amps run ads where there were testimonials from users where one
amp had been thrown out of an upstairs window onto concrete and another
whose amp had been run over by a delivery truck and no structural damge,
only cosmetic damage sustained.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

N Cook wrote:


Didn't HH amps run ads where there were testimonials from users where one
amp had been thrown out of an upstairs window onto concrete and another
whose amp had been run over by a delivery truck and no structural damge,
only cosmetic damage sustained.

I don't remember that, but I can well believe it They were very well
put together.

Ron(UK)

Meat Plow wrote:


As far as stress related failures in combo amps goes, Peavey seems to lead
the way as far as what I've worked on. I can only imagine some of these
newer amps like Berringer and the likes made in China crap. Good luck to
you, you must be a younger man as i haven't the patience to do anything
but the oldies made in the USA and the UK. (love my AOR Laney Pro Tube 50
head)

We never used to get many stress related failures in those old point to
point hand wired valve amps despite - or maybe because of - long
component lead lengths. Even the old AC30`s despite looking as tho they
had been assembled by an enthusiastic schoolboy, were pretty reliable in
that respect. Of course in those days, we used the old technique of
making a sound mechanical joint first, then soldering it! The problems
started when PCB`s were introduced.

I cant really understand why anyone would want to vibration test a
customers amplifier, unulss it`s looking for dry joints, when a rubber
mallet or chopstick will suffice. Surely any piece of kit has a
'vibration lifetime' (MTBF thro V?) and I cant think why anyone should
want to shorten it by deliberately shaking it. Every minute spent on a
vibration table is one minute closer to failure in the field (IMO)

Ron(UK)