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Need to convert this Phone from 3 wire to 2..

Any one have any clues or a Schematic..

Its only the Ring circuit that needs to be change..


question is why? Do you not want it to ring? assuming you want it on 1 pair
...remove all wires except red and green or pins 3 and 4.

The original query is not precise enough.

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:39:21 +1200, "Jo" wrote:


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Need to convert this Phone from 3 wire to 2..

Any one have any clues or a Schematic..

Its only the Ring circuit that needs to be change..


question is why? Do you not want it to ring? assuming you want it on 1
pair
..remove all wires except red and green or pins 3 and 4.

The original query is not precise enough.




As its connected to a 2 wire answer machine it does not Ring, as its a NZ
model setup or 3 wires..


Why not just connect the phone in parallel with the TAM via a two way
splitter ? That way, the TAM will be happy on its two wires, and the phone
on its three.

Arfa

On 2006-06-12, Jo wrote:

Any one have any clues or a Schematic..

Its only the Ring circuit that needs to be change..

question is why? Do you not want it to ring? assuming you want it on 1 pair
..remove all wires except red and green or pins 3 and 4.

most new installs are 2 wire. old phones are 3-wire and won't ring on a
2-wire setup.

Bye.
Jasen

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:27:38 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:39:21 +1200, "Jo" wrote:


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Need to convert this Phone from 3 wire to 2..

Any one have any clues or a Schematic..

Its only the Ring circuit that needs to be change..


question is why? Do you not want it to ring? assuming you want it on 1
pair
..remove all wires except red and green or pins 3 and 4.

The original query is not precise enough.




As its connected to a 2 wire answer machine it does not Ring, as its a
NZ
model setup or 3 wires..


Why not just connect the phone in parallel with the TAM via a two way
splitter ? That way, the TAM will be happy on its two wires, and the phone
on its three.

Arfa






Yes but far to messy


OK then, I'm guessing that the TAM is connected to the wall via a 2 wire
lead, terminated at the equipment end in a 4 way Western Electric jack. Swap
it for a standard 4 wire lead, then just wire the ring return lead from the
( previously unused ) pin of the 4 way input jack, to the corresponding pin
on the output jack for the phone. You then have the same scenario, without
having both leads going back to a splitter, and without having to graft caps
into the phone, although I still think that this would be the easiest way to
do it. I have put caps in on a number of occasions, to make three wire
phones ring on a two wire circuit. I can't understand why everyone's getting
so complicated with this - it's hardly rocket science ...

Arfa

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On 2006-06-12, Jo wrote:

Any one have any clues or a Schematic..

Its only the Ring circuit that needs to be change..

question is why? Do you not want it to ring? assuming you want it on 1 pair
..remove all wires except red and green or pins 3 and 4.

most new installs are 2 wire. old phones are 3-wire and won't ring on a
2-wire setup.


Yes they will.

In the two wire setup, all the sockets are masters, with a cap between
pins 2 & 3.

In the old three wire system, there was only a single master socket
witch had the cap, resistor between pins 2 & 3, which provided ringing
over the third wire.

The ringing in still on pin 3, it's just diverted off in every socket
now.

Makes no difference to the phone plugged into it where it happens.

D.

d wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 2006-06-12, Jo wrote:

Any one have any clues or a Schematic..

Its only the Ring circuit that needs to be change..

question is why? Do you not want it to ring? assuming you want it on 1
pair ..remove all wires except red and green or pins 3 and 4.

most new installs are 2 wire. old phones are 3-wire and won't ring on a
2-wire setup.


Yes they will


Balls we have both in this house and two phonelines coming in. The older
phones will not work on the second line but will on the first. The later
phones will work on both ....ringing that is they work fine otherwise

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d wrote:

In article ,
says...
On 2006-06-12, Jo wrote:

Any one have any clues or a Schematic..

Its only the Ring circuit that needs to be change..

question is why? Do you not want it to ring? assuming you want it on 1
pair ..remove all wires except red and green or pins 3 and 4.

most new installs are 2 wire. old phones are 3-wire and won't ring on a
2-wire setup.


Yes they will

Balls we have both in this house and two phonelines coming in. The older
phones will not work on the second line but will on the first. The later
phones will work on both ....ringing that is they work fine otherwise


Yes, and if you open the socket up, you'll find that you've incorrectly
used a secondary socket. If you replace it with the CORRECT socket,
your fault will be rectified.

Amateurs. Sigh.

D.

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:45:57 +1200, wrote in
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:00:09 +1200, (Don Hills)
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In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:
... I can't understand why everyone's getting
so complicated with this - it's hardly rocket science ...

It's been proven time and again here that Roger's no rocket scientist.
Just be patient, he'll get it working eventually.

Funny I was a development Eng for many many Years, 11 with DataBank and had
my name posted in the DOM..

Probably nobody is impressed by that except your conceited self. It's
hardly a major achievement - lots of people get their name in the paper
for various reasons, both good and bad. Do you want a medal, or a chest
to pin it on?

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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:00:09 +1200, (Don
Hills)
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In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:
... I can't understand why everyone's getting
so complicated with this - it's hardly rocket science ...

It's been proven time and again here that Roger's no rocket scientist.
Just be patient, he'll get it working eventually.



Funny I was a development Eng for many many Years, 11 with DataBank and
had
my name posted in the DOM..


That being the case, why is this simple, simple problem, which has had the
solution posted now about 140 times, causing you so much grief ???

Arfa

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What I have seen No Solutions posted that meats my regiments..

That's not our problem then. Go away and solve it yourself.

I do not bodge things..

Hey, a new nick for you - Bodger.

--
Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
"New interface closely resembles Presentation Manager,
preparing you for the wonders of OS/2!"
-- Advertisement on the box for Microsoft Windows 2.11 for 286

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:20:42 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:00:09 +1200, (Don
Hills)
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In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:
... I can't understand why everyone's getting
so complicated with this - it's hardly rocket science ...

It's been proven time and again here that Roger's no rocket scientist.
Just be patient, he'll get it working eventually.



Funny I was a development Eng for many many Years, 11 with DataBank and
had
my name posted in the DOM..


That being the case, why is this simple, simple problem, which has had the
solution posted now about 140 times, causing you so much grief ???

Arfa




What I have seen No Solutions posted that meats my regiments..

I do not bodge things..


Nobody is asking you to bodge anything - although it has to be questioned,
if you believe that they are, if what you want to do is a ' bodge ' in the
first place ...

There have been a number of solutions posted, with methods of implementation
that no proper engineer would consider to be bodging, so sadly, I have to
conclude that we are all wasting our time with you, as you clearly don't
have the necessary expertise or understanding of what you are trying to do,
to carry out the work successfully.

And it's " meet " not " meats ".

And " regimen " not " regiments ". And that's not a good word in this
context anyway, as it normally refers to medical treatment programs.

Arfa

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:34:33 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:20:42 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:00:09 +1200, (Don
Hills)
wrote:

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:
... I can't understand why everyone's getting
so complicated with this - it's hardly rocket science ...

It's been proven time and again here that Roger's no rocket scientist.
Just be patient, he'll get it working eventually.



Funny I was a development Eng for many many Years, 11 with DataBank
and
had
my name posted in the DOM..


That being the case, why is this simple, simple problem, which has had
the
solution posted now about 140 times, causing you so much grief ???

Arfa




What I have seen No Solutions posted that meats my regiments..

I do not bodge things..


Nobody is asking you to bodge anything - although it has to be questioned,
if you believe that they are, if what you want to do is a ' bodge ' in the
first place ...

There have been a number of solutions posted, with methods of
implementation
that no proper engineer would consider to be bodging, so sadly, I have to
conclude that we are all wasting our time with you, as you clearly don't
have the necessary expertise or understanding of what you are trying to
do,
to carry out the work successfully.




So how long have you been in the Trade, I have been in it for some 40
years
or more.

What I was after is the Correct way to make this phone into a 2 wire
device,
no one seems to know..

Plus were do I get a Small 1uF 250V cap from...?

Seems that this was way over peoples heads here..

So Please make some useful comments when you know ALL the FACTS..



I too have been involved in the trade for the better part of 40 years, and
made a living for a considerable time fixing phones, so please don't
question my credentials. You have been told how to accomplish what you want
to do, in at least 3 totally correct and practical ways. If you have really
been in the trade for 40 years, and yet don't know where to buy perfectly
standard components, I can only assume that you have had your head tucked
somewhere that the sun doesn't shine, for most of that time.

The only " correct way " that I can see left for you to reach your goal of
having a two wire phone, is to stop ****ing about, throw the 3 wire phone
away, and just buy a new two wire.

That's now ALL the FACTS ( sheesh ... ) that I'm interested in, and anything
else you say will certainly go over // my // head, because that it precisely
where I will // let // it go. Get a life and stop wasting good people's
time, who have tried and tried to help you.

Arfa

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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:34:33 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:20:42 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:00:09 +1200, (Don
Hills)
wrote:

In article ,
"Arfa Daily" wrote:
... I can't understand why everyone's getting
so complicated with this - it's hardly rocket science ...

It's been proven time and again here that Roger's no rocket scientist.
Just be patient, he'll get it working eventually.



Funny I was a development Eng for many many Years, 11 with DataBank
and
had
my name posted in the DOM..


That being the case, why is this simple, simple problem, which has had
the
solution posted now about 140 times, causing you so much grief ???

Arfa




What I have seen No Solutions posted that meats my regiments..

I do not bodge things..


Nobody is asking you to bodge anything - although it has to be questioned,
if you believe that they are, if what you want to do is a ' bodge ' in the
first place ...

There have been a number of solutions posted, with methods of
implementation
that no proper engineer would consider to be bodging, so sadly, I have to
conclude that we are all wasting our time with you, as you clearly don't
have the necessary expertise or understanding of what you are trying to
do,
to carry out the work successfully.




So how long have you been in the Trade, I have been in it for some 40
years
or more.

What I was after is the Correct way to make this phone into a 2 wire
device,
no one seems to know..

Plus were do I get a Small 1uF 250V cap from...?

Seems that this was way over peoples heads here..

So Please make some useful comments when you know ALL the FACTS..

I too have been involved in the trade for the better part of 40 years, and
made a living for a considerable time fixing phones, so please don't
question my credentials. You have been told how to accomplish what you want
to do, in at least 3 totally correct and practical ways. If you have really
been in the trade for 40 years, and yet don't know where to buy perfectly
standard components, I can only assume that you have had your head tucked
somewhere that the sun doesn't shine, for most of that time.

The only " correct way " that I can see left for you to reach your goal of
having a two wire phone, is to stop ****ing about, throw the 3 wire phone
away, and just buy a new two wire.

That's now ALL the FACTS ( sheesh ... ) that I'm interested in, and anything
else you say will certainly go over // my // head, because that it precisely
where I will // let // it go. Get a life and stop wasting good people's
time, who have tried and tried to help you.

Arfa

It's what he does.

--
Nicolaas

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No one has, they should have looked at the Device data sheet first, before
they Ramble on, a BA8205 from memory..

I did. That's how I knew the advice I gave you was valid. You can take that
advice or not, it's up to you. But as several other people have pointed out,
trying for perfection in this phone is not the most important thing you
could be doing with the (probably quite few) years remaining to you,
regardless of how much "bodging" it offends your sense of craftsmanship.

For example, stowing a capacitor somewhere in the body of the phone with
flyleads to the circuit board is not "bodging", manufacturers of highly
regarded equipment do it too. Hardware bugs requiring such patches are no
less common than software bugs. Provided you take the usual precautions to
prevent vibration flexing the leads, it's a perfectly valid fix.
Splicing the capacitor into the phone cord and covering it with matching
(white) heatshrink is valid, too. It'll look just like the ferrite cores
added to many leads nowadays.

Before you reply, ask yourself this question: If you were paying someone
else to convert this phone from 3 wire to 2 wire for you, how much would
you be prepared to pay?

--
Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
"New interface closely resembles Presentation Manager,
preparing you for the wonders of OS/2!"
-- Advertisement on the box for Microsoft Windows 2.11 for 286

Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2006-06-12, Jo wrote:

Any one have any clues or a Schematic..

Its only the Ring circuit that needs to be change..
question is why? Do you not want it to ring? assuming you want it on 1 pair
..remove all wires except red and green or pins 3 and 4.

most new installs are 2 wire. old phones are 3-wire and won't ring on a
2-wire setup.

Bye.
Jasen

But the Telecom socket converts 2 wires into 3
So it only matters if they're not plugging into a Telecom socket.

SchoolTech wrote:


But the Telecom socket converts 2 wires into 3
So it only matters if they're not plugging into a Telecom socket.

Not anymore they dont, go read the telepermit site. They were talking about a
new distinction on the front of them of 2C for 2 contacts. I havent bought any
BT sockets in close to 8 years because its all RJ45 here and I just chop the
plug off the phone and change it.

SchoolTech wrote:

But the Telecom socket converts 2 wires into 3
So it only matters if they're not plugging into a Telecom socket.


Not anymore they dont, go read the telepermit site. They were talking
about a new distinction on the front of them of 2C for 2 contacts.


There's still enough 3 wire phones around they have to provide them

I looked for that phone online, and it seems to be a but ugly 90s styled
business deskphone.

I would chuck it and replace it with something nice looking like a doro or similar.

How many hours have you wasted trying to sort out what should simply be
soldering a capacitor across 2 pins of the rj12 inside the phone?

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How many hours have you wasted trying to sort out what should simply be
soldering a capacitor across 2 pins of the rj12 inside the phone?

And ware does one get a Small 1uF 250V cap, plus the line loading, that does
not follow the IC data sheet.

Whys it need to be small? That phone is huge. I would start by scavanging one
from a master socket, failing that another dead phone. Doesnt need to be 1µF
either. any size less then that should do, the ringer may just be weaker.

Plus every one has there tastes, I like this style of phone and its used in
the Kitchen as a Wall phone , I do have two modern DECT type phones also, not
to easy to use when your hands are full.



Also Please define Ugly..?

Something beige with square corners where half the front of it is taken up with
a sticker for you to write names on would be right up there.

Does it even do caller id or is it one of these phones with a screen on it for
no particular reason other then to tell you what buttons you have pressed?

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:10:58 +1200, Richard wrote:

Also Please define Ugly..?

Since you asked...

http://www.bit-e-byte.com/superstore...ts/picture/kx-
t2365.jpg


D.

In article SchoolTech says...
There's still enough 3 wire phones around they have to provide them


The expected answer is an adapter. See link I provided on 13th

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Yes but what is ones mans meat tis another man poison..

Plus Caller ID is not on by default and most firms have it disabled..

So?? Still seems a complete waste of an LCD if they arent going to give you
caller ID on it. I've got a doro that has an LCD that only tells you what you
have dialed and how long you have been talking for, largly useless.

If a business chooses not to equip its staff with a tool to make there
communications easier then thats their loss IMO

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Yes but what is ones mans meat tis another man poison..

Plus Caller ID is not on by default and most firms have it disabled..

So?? Still seems a complete waste of an LCD if they arent going to give
you caller ID on it. I've got a doro that has an LCD that only tells you
what you have dialed and how long you have been talking for, largly
useless.

you make the kids use it, you use it for toll calls. Me? It has a
plantronics headset and extra cable attached as well as using the
speakerphone. It doesnt ring though, which isnt really a loss as the base
set for the cordless sits beside it anyway.