I would be interested in hearing a recommendation for a charger for
lead acid batteries.

I am looking for a charger that gives an indication of charging status
(no idiot lights please), capability for flooded cells, sealed lead
acid and any other options you have found useful.

Also, what do you use to charge your lead acid batteries?

Thanks

TMT

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
I would be interested in hearing a recommendation for a charger for
lead acid batteries.

I am looking for a charger that gives an indication of charging status
(no idiot lights please), capability for flooded cells, sealed lead
acid and any other options you have found useful.

Also, what do you use to charge your lead acid batteries?

Thanks

TMT


This is the one I use:

http://www.green-trust.org/photoalbu...s/charger.html

http://tinyurl.com/c7vkr


--
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

This will also depend on the application of your batteries.
Will they be deep cycled often?
Will they just sit on flaot charge except for emergencies?
Will they be a room temperature always?


"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
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I would be interested in hearing a recommendation for a charger for
lead acid batteries.

I am looking for a charger that gives an indication of charging status
(no idiot lights please), capability for flooded cells, sealed lead
acid and any other options you have found useful.

Also, what do you use to charge your lead acid batteries?

Thanks

TMT

"This will also depend on the application of your batteries.
Will they be deep cycled often?
Will they just sit on flaot charge except for emergencies?
Will they be a room temperature always? "

All of the above.

So which charger(s) do you recommend?

Thanks

TMT

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
"This will also depend on the application of your batteries.
Will they be deep cycled often?
Will they just sit on flaot charge except for emergencies?
Will they be a room temperature always? "

All of the above.

So which charger(s) do you recommend?

Thanks

TMT

Actually, those questions really don't have much bearing on what charger
you want. You want a 3 stage charger that can handle your battery type,
and ah rating.

--
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

It is impossible to all of those conditions. They can't sit on flaot all the
time and be deep cycled frequently. These situations are contrary.

If they just sit on float all the time a simple float set voltage regulated
charger with equalize (manual or peroidic) will do. Current limiting is a pretty
good safety feature to have also.

If you deep cycle you batteries you may want a charger that adds "bulk" and
"fast charge" rates as well.

If you batteries are in an uncontrolled temperature (as mine are) then you will
also need temperature voltage compensation. 0.17% per degree outside of 25 deg
C. (depending on type) This means at -30C you need to equalize your 12 volt bank
at 15.7 volts. OTOH, this voltage will boil your 12 battery dry in the summer.

I am not familiar with smaller battery charger brand names or features for
alternative energy usage.


"Steve Spence" wrote in message
...
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
"This will also depend on the application of your batteries.
Will they be deep cycled often?
Will they just sit on flaot charge except for emergencies?
Will they be a room temperature always? "

All of the above.

So which charger(s) do you recommend?

Thanks

TMT

Actually, those questions really don't have much bearing on what charger
you want. You want a 3 stage charger that can handle your battery type,
and ah rating.

--
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

On 20 Oct 2005 18:23:08 -0700, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

I would be interested in hearing a recommendation for a charger for
lead acid batteries.

I am looking for a charger that gives an indication of charging status
(no idiot lights please), capability for flooded cells, sealed lead
acid and any other options you have found useful.

Also, what do you use to charge your lead acid batteries?

You don't say what AH rating your batteries are but for my pair of
deep-cycle flooded batteries in my RV I use a homebuilt three-stage
charger.

Most (all) of the commercially available crap uses switch-mode
conversion/regulation that generates gobs of EMI/RFI.

I built a 30A, three-stage analog charger. Not wanting to reinvent
the wheel, I used an Astron RS-35M power supply

http://www.astroncorp.com/linear.shtml

for the transformer/rectifier/filter/pass trasistors and an A-A
Engineering

http://www.a-aengineering.com/

"smart charger" board that I modified, for charge control. The board
uses the Unitrode (now TI) UC3906 IC

http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/psheets/ab...ps/slua115.htm

that is specifically designed for this.

Sorry, there are a couple of idiot lights, but the supply also has
honest to goodness meters too.

It's possible to have all those conditions with different batteries for
differnet purposes.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
It's possible to have all those conditions with different batteries for
differnet purposes.

TMT


and One Charger to rule them all, One Charger to bind them.


--
Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:58:56 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote:

On 20 Oct 2005 18:23:08 -0700, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

I would be interested in hearing a recommendation for a charger for
lead acid batteries.

I am looking for a charger that gives an indication of charging status
(no idiot lights please), capability for flooded cells, sealed lead
acid and any other options you have found useful.
(snip)

"smart charger" board that I modified, for charge control. The board
uses the Unitrode (now TI) UC3906 IC

http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/psheets/ab...ps/slua115.htm

that is specifically designed for this.

I use and freely recommend the UC3906 for SLA's, but have never investigated
their use on flooded cells. Very interesting .....

Any pictures of this homemade charger?

Sounds interesting.

TMT

On 21 Oct 2005 21:25:26 -0700, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

Any pictures of this homemade charger?

Sounds interesting.

Befo http://users.triconet.org/wesandlinda/Figure_1.jpg

The circuit board has the 723 and other low power stuff and is removed
and discarded.

After: http://users.triconet.org/wesandlinda/Astron_A_A.jpg

This is not quite the final view. When I took this, I had yet to
receive the precision power resistor that I needed for the current
sampling shunt and was using the DC resistance of a piece of wire for
that.

Sorry no write-up or schematic at this time. I thought about doing it
by saw no market for an article.

Also, consider that this is set up for one max current condition that
is related to the AH rating of your battery and what fraction of same
you want to charge at. I have some ideas on how to make this
variable, but have not implemented them because this design fits my
requirements.

If you decide to use a '3906 here is a little spreadsheet I threw
together to calculate resistor values, etc. Disregard references to
"equalize voltage" as this is not a function of the IC.

http://users.triconet.org/wesandlind...eryCharger.xls

The stuff in the blue boxes is for user input.

Thanks for the information.

Frankly I am surprised by the lack of response on this question....I do
appreciate the comments I have gotten so far.

Do you think maybe some people just throw away their lead acid
batteries instead of recharging them? ;)

TMT

On 22 Oct 2005 08:49:47 -0700, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

Thanks for the information.

Frankly I am surprised by the lack of response on this question....I do
appreciate the comments I have gotten so far.

Do you think maybe some people just throw away their lead acid
batteries instead of recharging them? ;)

Another vote for a 3 stage charger. But for best lifespan I'd shallow
cycle occasionally so the battery gets a topping charge (say a 30%
discharge every 3 months). See:

http://www.allegromicro.com/techpub2/cadex/index3311.htm
http://www.buchmann.ca/Chap4-page6.asp
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&q=sla+fl oat+charging+sulfation&spell=1

cheers,
Pete.