Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.
Thanks to all.

" writes:

Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.

In a word, BS.

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This Guy in Ghana , Most probably has a relative in Nigeria
that wishes to put $10.000.000.00 into your Bank Account.
Haven't you answered your own question ?

kip


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Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car.

My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient.

Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.
Thanks to all.

On 28 Jun 2005 12:00:30 -0700, "
wrote:

Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.
Thanks to all.

There is no free lunch.

Seriously...the only thing I know of that does "something" like this,
more output than input (in appearance) is a heat pump, and it has an
auxiliary source of heat which actually provides the heat.

Tom

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Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.

Look for "free power" - often sold in 'Jesus' magazines.

http://freeenergynews.com

N

In article om,
wrote:
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient.

And converting AC to DC to charge batteries and then back again to AC is
going to be *very* much less than 100% efficient.

Snake oil springs to mind.

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I would say unless he running a superconductor it is impossible

lid (darren) writes:

I would say unless he running a superconductor it is impossible

Doesn't matter, impossible period.

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"Sam Goldwasser" bravely wrote to "All" (28 Jun 05 15:32:03)
--- on the heady topic of " Regenerative Power supply"

SG From: Sam Goldwasser
SG Xref: aeinews sci.electronics.repair:51793

SG " writes:

Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.

SG In a word, BS.

That is 2 words... the right word to use would be: "kook"!
Similar to the idea of running a car engine on dihydrogen oxide.

A*s*i*m*o*v

.... Wasted power is current squared times the resistance.

"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message
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lid (darren) writes:

I would say unless he running a superconductor it is impossible

Doesn't matter, impossible period.

Except in the Twilight Zone!

N

"NSM" writes:

"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message
...
lid (darren) writes:

I would say unless he running a superconductor it is impossible

Doesn't matter, impossible period.

Except in the Twilight Zone!

Apparently, that's where too many people dwell these days.

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wrote:

Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.
Thanks to all.

Your college physics is correct. It is always the case that these things
either don't work or there is some unaccounted for source of energy.
Usually there is fraud involved.

Jim

On Tuesday, 28 Jun 2005 22:49:32 -500, "Asimov"
wrote:

"Sam Goldwasser" bravely wrote to "All" (28 Jun 05 15:32:03)
--- on the heady topic of " Regenerative Power supply"

SG From: Sam Goldwasser
SG Xref: aeinews sci.electronics.repair:51793

SG " writes:

Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.

SG In a word, BS.

That is 2 words... the right word to use would be: "kook"!
Similar to the idea of running a car engine on dihydrogen oxide.

A*s*i*m*o*v


"What-ur" you talking about? :-)

Tom
... Wasted power is current squared times the resistance.

Or the advertising world inhabited by scam artists

David

NSM wrote:

"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message
...
lid (darren) writes:

I would say unless he running a superconductor it is impossible

Doesn't matter, impossible period.

Except in the Twilight Zone!

N

I built the same thing the guy in Ghana built, it works great but the
batteries keep dying... ;-)

Sal

" wrote:

Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.
Thanks to all.

Sal Brisindi wrote:

I built the same thing the guy in Ghana built, it works great but the
batteries keep dying... ;-)

Sal

You've probably overlooked the fact that on this side
of the equator the polarity is reversed.

Just put the batteries in other way around and you'll
be OK

Ken

Ken,
I'll give that a shot, do I have to install the batteries upside down too?

Sal

Ken Weitzel wrote:

Sal Brisindi wrote:

I built the same thing the guy in Ghana built, it works great but the
batteries keep dying... ;-)

Sal

You've probably overlooked the fact that on this side
of the equator the polarity is reversed.

Just put the batteries in other way around and you'll
be OK

Ken

On 28 Jun 2005 12:00:30 -0700, "
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.
Thanks to all.

The best you can achieve in a car is to use the car's own kinetic
energy to partially recharge its batteries when the car is coasting,
or to use the car's kinetic energy to assist in braking.


- Franc Zabkar
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"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On 28 Jun 2005 12:00:30 -0700, "
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Hello Pals
There is this concept that I don't understand. Its all about
generating power (AC of course)from from a group of batteriers and
tapping some of the output to charge the batteries-- so it becomes a
cycle. Infact I have challenged this concept until I head it in the
news that someone has developed one in Ghana and he is actually using
it to power his house and a car. My simple college physics tells me
that this will not be possible since no machine or device is 100%
efficient. Can someone brief me on this or show me where I can get more
info on this topic.
Thanks to all.



I saw something of this nature about 10 years ago, it's an investment scam,
no machine can violate the laws of science.

In article ,
Franc Zabkar wrote:
The best you can achieve in a car is to use the car's own kinetic
energy to partially recharge its batteries when the car is coasting,

No point in that unless you're stopping.

or to use the car's kinetic energy to assist in braking.

Instead of friction brakes you use the load from the charging system to
slow the car. So instead of wasting energy in the form of heat from the
friction of the brakes, you put that energy into the batteries.

But there's nothing new about this - things like the London tube trains
have done this for years, although they don't charge batteries but dump
that energy back into the power supply which then effectively gets used by
other trains.

IC engined buses might spin up a flywheel to brake then use this stored
energy to help start off again.

IIRC, the term is regenerative braking.

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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:48:26 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

In article ,
Franc Zabkar wrote:
The best you can achieve in a car is to use the car's own kinetic
energy to partially recharge its batteries when the car is coasting,

No point in that unless you're stopping.

.... or engine braking during a downhill run.


- Franc Zabkar
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"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:48:26 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

In article ,
Franc Zabkar wrote:
The best you can achieve in a car is to use the car's own kinetic
energy to partially recharge its batteries when the car is coasting,

No point in that unless you're stopping.

... or engine braking during a downhill run.



It's certainly possible, though in a car the energy you recover is probably
less than what you'd expend hauling around all the extra weight.