Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

In article , To-
says...
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson

There used to be a .22 rimfire round with #11 shot
available, should be a lot quieter

Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson

You can shoot vermin with a pellet gun.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
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Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:59:06 -0400, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson

You can shoot vermin with a pellet gun.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Certainly. But something that's running is easier to hit with
bird-shot. "Kill" isn't necessary, I just want the varmints to
recognize an "unfriendly zone" ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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Gourmet Puzzles:

What part of the fish are the "sticks"?

Likewise where are the chicken "fingers" located?

In message , Jim Thompson
writes

Gourmet Puzzles:

What part of the fish are the "sticks"?

Likewise where are the chicken "fingers" located?

I'd be more worried about where the chicken's nuggets are!

--
Clint Sharp

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:26:33 +0100, Clint Sharp
wrote:

In message , Jim Thompson
writes

Gourmet Puzzles:

What part of the fish are the "sticks"?

Likewise where are the chicken "fingers" located?

I'd be more worried about where the chicken's nuggets are!


You're not very 'sharp', Clint.

Jim Thompson writes:
"Kill" isn't necessary, I just want the varmints to recognize an
"unfriendly zone" ;-)

Buy an outdoor-compatible large dog?

(Given the newsgroup topic, "large robot dog" would be appropriate

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:59:06 -0400, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson
You can shoot vermin with a pellet gun.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Certainly. But something that's running is easier to hit with
bird-shot. "Kill" isn't necessary, I just want the varmints to
recognize an "unfriendly zone" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Get a paintball gun. Discourages the deer too, if you hit them while
they're running away.

Cheers,

Phil

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:59:06 -0400, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from
the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson
You can shoot vermin with a pellet gun.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Certainly. But something that's running is easier to hit with
bird-shot. "Kill" isn't necessary, I just want the varmints to
recognize an "unfriendly zone" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Get a paintball gun. Discourages the deer too, if you hit them while
they're running away.

Cheers,

Phil

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

At Camp Wolfboro Boy Scout Camp two years ago, they tried discouraging a
bear from raiding the camp. You can't legally shoot them because it is
Forest Service land. They got permission from the FS to use paint balls.
Paint balls weren't very effective until they tried freezing them first -
the balls, not the bears. Scouts on the staff had some fun and the bears
got the message.
Ken Fowler, KO6NO
--

In message , Ken Fowler
writes


At Camp Wolfboro Boy Scout Camp two years ago, they tried discouraging a
bear from raiding the camp. You can't legally shoot them because it is
Forest Service land. They got permission from the FS to use paint balls.
Paint balls weren't very effective until they tried freezing them first -
the balls, not the bears. Scouts on the staff had some fun and the bears
got the message.
Ken Fowler, KO6NO
--
What sort of scout camp has facilities for freezing? Do they also have
feather beds, and electric or gas cookers? They sound like a right load
of sissies to me!
--
Ian

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:43:59 -0400, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:59:06 -0400, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson
You can shoot vermin with a pellet gun.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Certainly. But something that's running is easier to hit with
bird-shot. "Kill" isn't necessary, I just want the varmints to
recognize an "unfriendly zone" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Get a paintball gun. Discourages the deer too, if you hit them while
they're running away.

Cheers,

Phil

Ewwwwwh!

I can just see how SWMBO will react to paint-ball marks on the walls
:-(

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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Gourmet Puzzles:

What part of the fish are the "sticks"?

Likewise where are the chicken "fingers" located?

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message
I can just see how SWMBO will react to paint-ball marks on the walls
:-(

Good excuse to get or upgrade a pressure washer?

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:43:59 -0400, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:59:06 -0400, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson
You can shoot vermin with a pellet gun.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Certainly. But something that's running is easier to hit with
bird-shot. "Kill" isn't necessary, I just want the varmints to
recognize an "unfriendly zone" ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Get a paintball gun. Discourages the deer too, if you hit them while
they're running away.

Cheers,

Phil

Ewwwwwh!

I can just see how SWMBO will react to paint-ball marks on the walls
:-(

...Jim Thompson

No problem--it washes off when it rains.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:57:20 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

Ewwwwwh!

I can just see how SWMBO will react to paint-ball marks on the walls
:-(

It isn't paint, idiot. It is 100% water soluble, non-toxic media.

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Ewwwwwh!

I can just see how SWMBO will react to paint-ball marks on the walls
:-(

...Jim Thompson

http://www.cabelas.com/hprod-1/0040376.shtml

I typed "air shotgun" into bing

Looks like s.e.d. has become your search engine, Jim!

------snip----------

Certainly. But something that's running is easier to hit with
bird-shot. "Kill" isn't necessary, I just want the varmints to
recognize an "unfriendly zone" ;-)


Large Tesla coil?

JB

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:19:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:59:06 -0400, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson

You can shoot vermin with a pellet gun.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Certainly. But something that's running is easier to hit with
bird-shot. "Kill" isn't necessary, I just want the varmints to
recognize an "unfriendly zone" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Pellets do that just fine. So do BBs. At the range of a yard (front
yard, back yard), even a pistol would be sufficient. Paint ball guns
would give them alarm to the territory as well.

Jim Thompson wrote:
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

Sounds like a perfect application for a LASER.

Maybe a 100W YAG would do it.

As for air rifles with bird shot, it seems impossible since the air needs a
tighter seal than a cluster of shot would provide. Maybe you can get one of
those rapid firing air guns that they use in arcades.

Or just get a dog with longer legs. Just as a cat makes mice disappear.


--

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zero, and remove the last word.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:34:47 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:


Sounds like a perfect application for a LASER.

Maybe a 100W YAG would do it.

The 200 mW pointers that there are instructions for making out there
will burn hair and flesh. They would feel it, no problem.

Lighting off 100W lasers in an open, public area, is likely not even
legal in most cities.

Capt. Cave Man wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:34:47 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:


Sounds like a perfect application for a LASER.

Maybe a 100W YAG would do it.

The 200 mW pointers that there are instructions for making out there
will burn hair and flesh. They would feel it, no problem.

Lighting off 100W lasers in an open, public area, is likely not even
legal in most cities.

I should have put a winky there, or if I'd said 1000W it would have been
more obvious.


--

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zero, and remove the last word.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:34:47 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:


As for air rifles with bird shot, it seems impossible since the air needs a
tighter seal than a cluster of shot would provide.


Not really. If one blows a wad of air past such a wad of pellets, they
WILL get moving, and no seal is required. If the seal was all it took,
then me "sealing" the top of the barrel on a single pump should stop the
pellet or bb from rising up the barrel. That is not the case. It still
goes, full force.

The low pressure in front of the projectile compresses as the high
pressure behind it expands. The bb moves, and if the air is sealed, the
inertia is enough to keep it going..

This was with a rifled barrel, and both BBs and pellets.

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson


Yes !! ( a wimpy 320 fps )
http://www.airgundepot.com/tsd-tactical-3-burst-assault-stock-shotgun.html

But this looks like more fun...
http://www.airgundepot.com/tactical-force-tf11-airsoft.html

BTW, 22 cal is more effective against small game. look for PCP, pump em
up and shoot multiple times.
http://www.airgundepot.com/22caliber-air-rifles.html

Cheers

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:16:50 -0400, "Martin Riddle"
wrote:



"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson


Yes !! ( a wimpy 320 fps )
http://www.airgundepot.com/tsd-tactical-3-burst-assault-stock-shotgun.html

But this looks like more fun...
http://www.airgundepot.com/tactical-force-tf11-airsoft.html

BTW, 22 cal is more effective against small game. look for PCP, pump em
up and shoot multiple times.
http://www.airgundepot.com/22caliber-air-rifles.html

Cheers



http://www.airgundepot.com/gamo-whisper.html

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yes, Gamo now makes an air shotgun. Shoots pellets or shot shells at 750
fps.

http://www.cabelas.com/hprod-1/0040376.shtml

Other air rifles of interest might be the Gamo varmint hunter or the whisper
(a muffled air rifle).

If you want more serious air rifle power:
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/bandit_1.html

I live out of city limits and occasionally have varmint (skunks, raccoons,
possums, etc.) problems. I've been considering using a wireless camera,
radio control, and some kind of "gun" to chase them away. I have a lot of
R/C equipment, might try a CO2 pistol mounted to R/C car.

So far all I've done is use a wireless network camera in the car port. We
had skunks coming up to steal the cat food. I shot at a skunk with a 22,
missed, the skunk ran away, came back less than a minute later. Shot at it
again, missed, found out the red dot sight was out of adjustment. Anyway,
the skunk kept coming back until I shot it. I monitored the camera from my
PC and usually cracking the door open slowly didn't scare off the varmint.

Back to the other solutions. You can mount a camera to a rifle scope or
even get IR laser sights that can only be seen with a camera or night vision
equipment. There are some videos on youtube of cameras on rifle scopes and
laser sights being used to shoot rats in the dark and so forth. Anyway, the
problem seems to be that the varmints run when I come around and they come
back as soon as I'm back inside. So to me the solution seems to be some
sort of R/C vehicle that can fire and be operated remotely using a wireless
camera and R/C equipment. Removing the IR filter from the camera plus IR
illumination gives it the ability to operate in the dark.

For the R/C camera stuff search for FPV (first person view) R/C (they drive
cars, fly planes, and heli's this way). Searching for camera to rifle scope
will lead to some interesting varmint control night vision solutions on
youtube.

I still haven't decided on the "gun", I would like to be able to choose the
power at time of firing, maybe a solenoid fired air rifle and adjust the
valve ON time, time to get a chronograph :-) The idea is if a "scare" shot
doesn't keep them away, turn up the power until they get the point.

RogerN

"RogerN" wrote in message
...

snip

Yes, Gamo now makes an air shotgun. Shoots pellets or shot shells at 750
fps.

http://www.cabelas.com/hprod-1/0040376.shtml

Other air rifles of interest might be the Gamo varmint hunter or the
whisper (a muffled air rifle).

If you want more serious air rifle power:
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/bandit_1.html

I live out of city limits and occasionally have varmint (skunks, raccoons,
possums, etc.) problems. I've been considering using a wireless camera,
radio control, and some kind of "gun" to chase them away. I have a lot of
R/C equipment, might try a CO2 pistol mounted to R/C car.

So far all I've done is use a wireless network camera in the car port. We
had skunks coming up to steal the cat food. I shot at a skunk with a 22,
missed, the skunk ran away, came back less than a minute later. Shot at
it again, missed, found out the red dot sight was out of adjustment.
Anyway, the skunk kept coming back until I shot it. I monitored the
camera from my PC and usually cracking the door open slowly didn't scare
off the varmint.

Back to the other solutions. You can mount a camera to a rifle scope or
even get IR laser sights that can only be seen with a camera or night
vision equipment. There are some videos on youtube of cameras on rifle
scopes and laser sights being used to shoot rats in the dark and so forth.
Anyway, the problem seems to be that the varmints run when I come around
and they come back as soon as I'm back inside. So to me the solution
seems to be some sort of R/C vehicle that can fire and be operated
remotely using a wireless camera and R/C equipment. Removing the IR
filter from the camera plus IR illumination gives it the ability to
operate in the dark.

For the R/C camera stuff search for FPV (first person view) R/C (they
drive cars, fly planes, and heli's this way). Searching for camera to
rifle scope will lead to some interesting varmint control night vision
solutions on youtube.

I still haven't decided on the "gun", I would like to be able to choose
the power at time of firing, maybe a solenoid fired air rifle and adjust
the valve ON time, time to get a chronograph :-) The idea is if a "scare"
shot doesn't keep them away, turn up the power until they get the point.

RogerN

Found some videos

Camera using night vision for shooting rats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxMlR...eature=related


Here's a video with a camera mounted on a 4X4 R/C monster truck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKiSS...eature=related

And a radio control tank that shoots airsoft pellets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwuV0RGpnjA

Need a bigger tank?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvE6Ku4W_4Q

Combine R/C model tank, working gun (air pistol?), wireless camera, and an
IR laser pointer to make fun and effective varmint control. :-)

Or for lower cost, I've gotten good results with at wireless camera and a
rifle. Usually gently opening the door and sticking the gun out doesn't
scare off the varmints.

RogerN

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

"RogerN" wrote in message
...

snip

Yes, Gamo now makes an air shotgun. Shoots pellets or shot shells at 750
fps.

http://www.cabelas.com/hprod-1/0040376.shtml

Other air rifles of interest might be the Gamo varmint hunter or the
whisper (a muffled air rifle).

If you want more serious air rifle power:
http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/bandit_1.html

I live out of city limits and occasionally have varmint (skunks,
raccoons, possums, etc.) problems. I've been considering using a
wireless camera, radio control, and some kind of "gun" to chase them
away. I have a lot of R/C equipment, might try a CO2 pistol mounted to
R/C car.

So far all I've done is use a wireless network camera in the car port.
We had skunks coming up to steal the cat food. I shot at a skunk with a
22, missed, the skunk ran away, came back less than a minute later. Shot
at it again, missed, found out the red dot sight was out of adjustment.
Anyway, the skunk kept coming back until I shot it. I monitored the
camera from my PC and usually cracking the door open slowly didn't scare
off the varmint.

Back to the other solutions. You can mount a camera to a rifle scope or
even get IR laser sights that can only be seen with a camera or night
vision equipment. There are some videos on youtube of cameras on rifle
scopes and laser sights being used to shoot rats in the dark and so
forth. Anyway, the problem seems to be that the varmints run when I come
around and they come back as soon as I'm back inside. So to me the
solution seems to be some sort of R/C vehicle that can fire and be
operated remotely using a wireless camera and R/C equipment. Removing
the IR filter from the camera plus IR illumination gives it the ability
to operate in the dark.

For the R/C camera stuff search for FPV (first person view) R/C (they
drive cars, fly planes, and heli's this way). Searching for camera to
rifle scope will lead to some interesting varmint control night vision
solutions on youtube.

I still haven't decided on the "gun", I would like to be able to choose
the power at time of firing, maybe a solenoid fired air rifle and adjust
the valve ON time, time to get a chronograph :-) The idea is if a
"scare" shot doesn't keep them away, turn up the power until they get the
point.

RogerN

Found some videos


Sent too soon, found some even more interesting.

R/C machine gun for those stubborn varmints

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra03l...eature=related


USB Missle launcher with webcam, doesn't appear effective but the idea is
similar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLPVQ...eature=related

USB gun turret with R/C servos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCOJA6ps-7s&NR=1

Cat hunting with R/C tank with camera

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpA1...eature=related

Tank with camera firing at targets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tsgq...eature=related

RogerN

In article ,
Jim Thompson wrote:

Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson

Bird shot (without a shotun to drive it) is not going to be an
improvement over pellets for those things - you want a serious pellet
gun and practice enough to hit what you aim at. Use the larger caliber
(.22 or .25) subsonic versions rather than the smaller caliber (.17)
supersonic (or nearer-sonic) versions. However, a pellet gun with enough
power to be useful hunting may still get the neighbors excited - they
are not silent by any means.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:24:54 -0400, Ecnerwal
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Thompson wrote:

Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson

Bird shot (without a shotun to drive it) is not going to be an
improvement over pellets for those things - you want a serious pellet
gun and practice enough to hit what you aim at. Use the larger caliber
(.22 or .25) subsonic versions rather than the smaller caliber (.17)
supersonic (or nearer-sonic) versions. However, a pellet gun with enough
power to be useful hunting may still get the neighbors excited - they
are not silent by any means.

I may just go into training for dealing with leftist weenies... trap a
rabbit, then leave in the sun as an example for those yet to be
trapped ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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Gourmet Puzzles:

What part of the fish are the "sticks"?

Likewise where are the chicken "fingers" located?

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:47:25 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:24:54 -0400, Ecnerwal
wrote:

In article ,
Jim Thompson wrote:

Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson

Bird shot (without a shotun to drive it) is not going to be an
improvement over pellets for those things - you want a serious pellet
gun and practice enough to hit what you aim at. Use the larger caliber
(.22 or .25) subsonic versions rather than the smaller caliber (.17)
supersonic (or nearer-sonic) versions. However, a pellet gun with enough
power to be useful hunting may still get the neighbors excited - they
are not silent by any means.

I may just go into training for dealing with leftist weenies... trap a
rabbit, then leave in the sun as an example for those yet to be
trapped ;-)

...Jim Thompson

How is it you manage to turn every thread into a retarded, adolescent
brained "bad joke" forum for your bent cracks, which only you think are
funny?

Hopfully old idiots like you will be joining MJ for tea soon.

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(


Potato cannon anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpAJOPzKK-M

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a Paslode
cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet instead of
pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get sufficient velocity that
way. If my understanding is correct, the military propels artillery that
way.

RogerN

On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:

..
..
..
I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet
instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get
sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct, the
military propels artillery that way.

RogerN

A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and disposed
of.

--
John B

On 03 Jul 2009 20:33:24 GMT, "John B"
wrote:

On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:

.
.
.
I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet
instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get
sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct, the
military propels artillery that way.

RogerN

A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and disposed
of.


Except that it would not 'pin them to the ground'.

On 03/07/2009 Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On 03 Jul 2009 20:33:24 GMT, "John B"
wrote:

On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:

.
.
.
I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a
pellet instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could
get sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct,
the military propels artillery that way.

RogerN

A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and
disposed of.


Except that it would not 'pin them to the ground'.

Well, I guess that depends on how many nails you fire and how big they
are!

--
John B

On 04 Jul 2009 16:37:34 GMT, "John B"
wrote:

On 03/07/2009 Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On 03 Jul 2009 20:33:24 GMT, "John B"
wrote:

On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:

.
.
.
I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a
pellet instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could
get sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct,
the military propels artillery that way.

RogerN

A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and
disposed of.


Except that it would not 'pin them to the ground'.

Well, I guess that depends on how many nails you fire and how big they
are!


Pretty stupid when the solution is to do it in one shot, and also a
projectile from a proper gun can be projected several tens of feet
accurately. The nail driver would have to be right up against the prey.
They have virtually zero accuracy after a couple feet, and even those
couple feet are hit and miss.

You have been watching to many movies.
The pellet gun acts juts like a real gun. It goes in small, and comes
out the other side big and carrying a lot of flesh with it. The critter
will not likely run off, and if it does, you will not be seeing that
particular critter again.

On 04 Jul 2009 16:37:34 GMT, "John B"
wrote:

On 03/07/2009 Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On 03 Jul 2009 20:33:24 GMT, "John B"
wrote:

On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:

.
.
.
I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a
pellet instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could
get sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct,
the military propels artillery that way.

RogerN

A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and
disposed of.


Except that it would not 'pin them to the ground'.

Well, I guess that depends on how many nails you fire and how big they
are!


Pretty stupid when the solution is to do it in one shot, and also a
projectile from a proper gun can be projected several tens of feet
accurately. The nail driver would have to be right up against the prey.
They have virtually zero accuracy after a couple feet, and even those
couple feet are hit and miss.

You have been watching to many movies.
The pellet gun acts juts like a real gun. It goes in small, and comes
out the other side big and carrying a lot of flesh with it. The critter
will not likely run off, and if it does, you will not be seeing that
particular critter again.

On 03/07/2009 Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On 03 Jul 2009 20:33:24 GMT, "John B"
wrote:

On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:

.
.
.
I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a
pellet instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could
get sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct,
the military propels artillery that way.

RogerN

A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and
disposed of.


Except that it would not 'pin them to the ground'.

Well, I guess that depends on how many nails you fire and how big they
are!

--
John B

On 03 Jul 2009 20:33:24 GMT, "John B"
wrote:

On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:

.
.
.
I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet
instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get
sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct, the
military propels artillery that way.

RogerN

A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and disposed
of.


Except that it would not 'pin them to the ground'.

On 03/07/2009 RogerN wrote:

..
..
..
I wonder if it would be very good to cross an air rifle with a
Paslode cordless nailer. Use an air/fuel mixture to propel a pellet
instead of pumping air. Seems like a winner if you could get
sufficient velocity that way. If my understanding is correct, the
military propels artillery that way.

RogerN

A great idea, but why not go the other way and fire nails. That will
pin the critters to the ground until they can be harvested and disposed
of.

--
John B

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:50:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

Is there such a thing as an air rifle that shoots bird-shot?

We're getting over-run with rabbits, some kind of chipmunk-looking
thingy and a raccoon greeted me on the patio a few days ago... trying
to come in the doggie door!!

If I fired a shot gun in this neighborhood the resulting echo from the
surrounding hills would bring the cops in five seconds, plus knock
holes in fences :-(

...Jim Thompson

Looks like nature possibly took its own course...

FOUR, COUNT 'EM, FOUR big owls seen on the hillside last night.

Number of rabbits seen today... ZERO ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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Liberals are so cute. *Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.