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Hi John. Is pin 11 of U1 supposed to go anywhere, only it's not connected in
the diagram and the circuit doesn't work.

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Hi John. Is pin 11 of U1 supposed to go anywhere, only it's not connected in
the diagram and the circuit doesn't work.


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U1-11 is a spare, so its output is supposed to float.

In which way does it not work?

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Hi John. Is pin 11 of U1 supposed to go anywhere, only it's not connected in
the diagram and the circuit doesn't work.


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U1-11 is a spare, so its output is supposed to float.

In which way does it not work?

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Hi John. Is pin 11 of U1 supposed to go anywhere, only it's not connected
in
the diagram and the circuit doesn't work.


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U1-11 is a spare, so its output is supposed to float.

In which way does it not work?


It doesn't light up at all. I better check the wiring though as with all
those diodes the wiring on the breadboard got a bit fiddly!

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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:46:46 -0000, "IanW" wrote:

"John Fields" wrote in message
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Hi John. Is pin 11 of U1 supposed to go anywhere, only it's not connected
in
the diagram and the circuit doesn't work.


---
U1-11 is a spare, so its output is supposed to float.

In which way does it not work?


It doesn't light up at all. I better check the wiring though as with all
those diodes the wiring on the breadboard got a bit fiddly!


---
A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.

BTW, with the pot set at midpoint, the thing ought to shift at about a
1Hz rate.

Also, here's a simulation of both ways (sink and source and 8 bits,
only, but you'll get the point, I'm sure.)

Version 4
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TEXT 104 8 Left 0 !.tran 20 uic
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:17:04 -0000, "IanW" wrote:


"John Fields" wrote in message
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:46:46 -0000, "IanW" wrote:

"John Fields" wrote in message
m...
Just for fun...

Hi John. Is pin 11 of U1 supposed to go anywhere, only it's not connected
in
the diagram and the circuit doesn't work.

---
U1-11 is a spare, so its output is supposed to float.

In which way does it not work?


It doesn't light up at all. I better check the wiring though as with all
those diodes the wiring on the breadboard got a bit fiddly!


---
A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.

BTW, with the pot set at midpoint, the thing ought to shift at about a
1Hz rate.

Also, here's a simulation of both ways (sink and source and 8 bits,
only, but you'll get the point, I'm sure.)



The twentieth LED does not have a 1N4148 compliment to it like the
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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.


---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:

JF


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On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:17:04 -0000, "IanW" wrote:


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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:46:46 -0000, "IanW" wrote:

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Just for fun...

Hi John. Is pin 11 of U1 supposed to go anywhere, only it's not connected
in
the diagram and the circuit doesn't work.

---
U1-11 is a spare, so its output is supposed to float.

In which way does it not work?

It doesn't light up at all. I better check the wiring though as with all
those diodes the wiring on the breadboard got a bit fiddly!


---
A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.

BTW, with the pot set at midpoint, the thing ought to shift at about a
1Hz rate.

Also, here's a simulation of both ways (sink and source and 8 bits,
only, but you'll get the point, I'm sure.)



The twentieth LED does not have a 1N4148 compliment to it like the
others.


---
It's not supposed to since, if it did, the 20th LED would go out, then
the array would remain dark for one clock cycle before #1 would come on.

With 19 diodes, (a 19 input OR) as soon as #20 goes out #1 comes on.


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Nice. Wouldn't that fit on a B size?
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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.


---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:


I'm struggling to spot the difference between rev A & this one but I've got
a new breadboard together with REV A but it still doesn't work. No lights up
at all. Here's a pic of the circuit. I know you wont be able to tell much
but just in case!

Regards
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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.

---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:


I'm struggling to spot the difference between rev A & this one but I've got
a new breadboard together with REV A but it still doesn't work. No lights up
at all. Here's a pic of the circuit. I know you wont be able to tell much
but just in case!


I do not see any power or ground connections to the ICs. The 74HC194s should
have ground on pin 8 and Vcc on pin 16. The 74HC00 should have ground on pin 7
and Vcc on pin 14.
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Nice. Wouldn't that fit on a B size?


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Thanks! :-)

Yeah, but it would've been squished.

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IanW wrote:
"John Fields" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
wrote:


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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.
---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:


I'm struggling to spot the difference between rev A & this one but I've got
a new breadboard together with REV A but it still doesn't work. No lights up
at all. Here's a pic of the circuit. I know you wont be able to tell much
but just in case!


I do not see any power or ground connections to the ICs. The 74HC194s should
have ground on pin 8 and Vcc on pin 16. The 74HC00 should have ground on pin 7
and Vcc on pin 14.


---
Good catch.

'HC164s, BTW and, for Ian, Vcc is 5V.

JF
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:24:22 -0800, Dan Coby
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IanW wrote:
"John Fields" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
wrote:


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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.
---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:
I'm struggling to spot the difference between rev A & this one but I've got
a new breadboard together with REV A but it still doesn't work. No lights up
at all. Here's a pic of the circuit. I know you wont be able to tell much
but just in case!

I do not see any power or ground connections to the ICs. The 74HC194s should
have ground on pin 8 and Vcc on pin 16. The 74HC00 should have ground on pin 7
and Vcc on pin 14.


---
Good catch.

'HC164s,


Yes, the circuit does have 74HC164s. A mental slip on my part.
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I do not see any power or ground connections to the ICs. The 74HC194s
should
have ground on pin 8 and Vcc on pin 16. The 74HC00 should have ground on
pin 7
and Vcc on pin 14.


---
Good catch.

'HC164s, BTW and, for Ian, Vcc is 5V.


So I need to step the voltage down from the 9V source, ie: about a 220ohm
resistor from the positive rail to pin 16 on each 164 and the 00?

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wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.


---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:

JF


John, Hate to be a party-pooper, but I believe, unless this starts
just right it doesn't work :-(

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:46:14 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.


---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:

JF


John, Hate to be a party-pooper, but I believe, unless this starts
just right it doesn't work :-(

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wrote:


On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:46:14 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
wrote:


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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.


---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:

JF


John, Hate to be a party-pooper, but I believe, unless this starts
just right it doesn't work :-(


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How so?

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On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:34:52 -0000, "IanW" wrote:


"John Fields" wrote in message
.. .

I do not see any power or ground connections to the ICs. The 74HC194s
should
have ground on pin 8 and Vcc on pin 16. The 74HC00 should have ground on
pin 7
and Vcc on pin 14.


---
Good catch.

'HC164s, BTW and, for Ian, Vcc is 5V.


So I need to step the voltage down from the 9V source, ie: about a 220ohm
resistor from the positive rail to pin 16 on each 164 and the 00?


---
I'd feel more comfortable with something like an LM78L05 in the


+----[78L05]---+---Vcc
|+ | |
BAT | [100nF]
| | |
+-------+------+---GND


But if you want to use just a resistor, then it'll need to drop about 4V
with 20mA going through it, (neglecting the current drawn by the logic
and the drop across its output) so it'll need to have a resistance of:

Vin - Vcc 4V
R = ----------- = ------- = 200 ohms
It 0.02A

so 220 is a pretty good idea.


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On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:34:52 -0000, "IanW" wrote:


"John Fields" wrote in message
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I do not see any power or ground connections to the ICs. The 74HC194s
should
have ground on pin 8 and Vcc on pin 16. The 74HC00 should have ground on
pin 7
and Vcc on pin 14.

---
Good catch.

'HC164s, BTW and, for Ian, Vcc is 5V.


So I need to step the voltage down from the 9V source, ie: about a 220ohm
resistor from the positive rail to pin 16 on each 164 and the 00?


---
I'd feel more comfortable with something like an LM78L05 in the


+----[78L05]---+---Vcc
|+ | |
BAT | [100nF]
| | |
+-------+------+---GND


But if you want to use just a resistor, then it'll need to drop about 4V
with 20mA going through it, (neglecting the current drawn by the logic
and the drop across its output) so it'll need to have a resistance of:

Vin - Vcc 4V
R = ----------- = ------- = 200 ohms
It 0.02A

so 220 is a pretty good idea.


---
I just noticed that you wanted to use one resistor per chip.

That won't work.

You need to connect all of the chips' Vcc's to one end of the resistor
and connect the other end of the resistor to +9V.

But there's a more serious problem, and that's that anytime there isn't
a 20mA load on one of the shift register outputs, Vcc will rise to ~ 9V,
which isn't a good thing.

Go with a 78L05...

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:31:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:46:14 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
wrote:


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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.

---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:

JF


John, Hate to be a party-pooper, but I believe, unless this starts
just right it doesn't work :-(


---
How so?

JF


Too many R/C's ?:-)

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On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:12:58 -0600, John Fields
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:31:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:46:14 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
wrote:


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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.

---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:

JF

John, Hate to be a party-pooper, but I believe, unless this starts
just right it doesn't work :-(


---
How so?

JF


Too many R/C's ?:-)



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Maybe, but I don't see it.

Where do you see a problem?

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On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:12:58 -0600, John Fields
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:31:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:46:14 -0600, John Fields
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:45:43 -0600, John Fields
wrote:


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A "gotcha" I noticed yesterday, or the day before is that, wired the way
it's shown, (with the register outputs sinking current) if all the
register outputs come up reset on power-on, then there won't be enough
current to turn on all the LEDs and you'll have to wait for an entire
cycle before the thing starts to chase properly. If you've got the pot
set to "full slow" that could take about 30 seconds, so it might be
working, but since nothing was appearing to happen it looked like it
wasn't working.

In order have it start right away the shift register outputs should
_source_ current, so I fixed the circuit and attached a copy of the new
schematic.

---
Dotting the 'i's and crossing the 't's yields rev b:

JF

John, Hate to be a party-pooper, but I believe, unless this starts
just right it doesn't work :-(


---
How so?

JF


Too many R/C's ?:-)


---
No, just enough, but you tease...

Still pushing buttons, eh?

The only thing I can come up with, which you might be referring to, is
the floating cap in the astable pushing nasty transients into the input
diodes which might foment lockup.

The solution?

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