Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama, salary
paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

These letter carriers are the primary source of the picketers outside
of McCain/Palin campaign headquarter locations.

The worst is yet to come :-(

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Jim Thompson wrote:

Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama, salary
paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

I'd guess they could take LWOP to campaign for McCain/Palin if they
wanted to. Any cites to indicate that this is not the case would be
interesting reading indeed.

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On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:44:44 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama, salary
paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

I'd guess they could take LWOP to campaign for McCain/Palin if they
wanted to. Any cites to indicate that this is not the case would be
interesting reading indeed.

What is LWOP?

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:44:44 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama,
salary paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

I'd guess they could take LWOP to campaign for McCain/Palin if they
wanted to. Any cites to indicate that this is not the case would be
interesting reading indeed.

What is LWOP?

Leave With-Out Pay

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:56:43 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:44:44 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama,
salary paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

I'd guess they could take LWOP to campaign for McCain/Palin if they
wanted to. Any cites to indicate that this is not the case would be
interesting reading indeed.

What is LWOP?

Leave With-Out Pay


Oh! But would the union make up their pay like they do for Obama
campaigners? I think not.

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Viewed from afar, even whores and Democrats seem reputable

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:56:43 -0500, "Anthony Fremont"
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:44:44 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama,
salary paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

I'd guess they could take LWOP to campaign for McCain/Palin if they
wanted to. Any cites to indicate that this is not the case would be
interesting reading indeed.

What is LWOP?

Leave With-Out Pay


Oh! But would the union make up their pay like they do for Obama
campaigners? I think not.

No. But the union is hiring workers that have been made available to
work for its political action group. If a worker took leave, nothing
would stop them from taking a temp job with a GOP PAC.

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Anthony Fremont wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:44:44 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama,
salary paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?
I'd guess they could take LWOP to campaign for McCain/Palin if they
wanted to. Any cites to indicate that this is not the case would be
interesting reading indeed.
What is LWOP?

Leave With-Out Pay



I have no doubt that there are campaigners of both parties who are being
compensated either knowingly or unknowingly by their employers. Many are
probably govt employees being compensated by the taxpayer. If you extend
this back the last couple of years and consider that this happens every
4 years, that amounts to a lot of lost productivity.

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:13:02 -0400, RFI-EMI-GUY
wrote:

Anthony Fremont wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:44:44 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama,
salary paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?
I'd guess they could take LWOP to campaign for McCain/Palin if they
wanted to. Any cites to indicate that this is not the case would be
interesting reading indeed.
What is LWOP?

Leave With-Out Pay



I have no doubt that there are campaigners of both parties who are being
compensated either knowingly or unknowingly by their employers. Many are
probably govt employees being compensated by the taxpayer. If you extend
this back the last couple of years and consider that this happens every
4 years, that amounts to a lot of lost productivity.

Maybe.

As I used the joke about our infamous Governor Ev Mecham...

He was our best governor ever because...

He was good for at least one laugh per day, "Pickaninnies, etc."

He couldn't get any of his ideas passed by the legislature.

The legislature couldn't get anything past Ev's veto.

Government at its finest... at a total standstill.

Unfortunately they finally impeached him and found him guilty :-(

...Jim Thompson
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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil
is that good men do nothing.
-Edmund Burke

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:33:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:


Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama, salary
paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

These letter carriers are the primary source of the picketers outside
of McCain/Palin campaign headquarter locations.

The worst is yet to come :-(

...Jim Thompson

Where'd you find this info?

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On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:21:20 -0400, default
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:33:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:


Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama, salary
paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

These letter carriers are the primary source of the picketers outside
of McCain/Palin campaign headquarter locations.

The worst is yet to come :-(

...Jim Thompson

Where'd you find this info?

A postal union steward here in Phoenix called into a talk radio show
to complain about it.

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama, salary
paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

I didn't know that, but in general I'd hope that most businesses would allow
their employees to go and campaign for their favorite politicians so long as
their absence doesn't impact productivity (i.e., they get someone else to
cover for their shift or, when viable, make up the time later) or cost the
business money.

I bet John Larkin would let his guys go to a McCain rally under similar
circumstances... :-)

The employees getting reimbursed by their union is between them and the union,
I'd think...

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:51:52 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Did you know that the USPS allows letter carriers to take leave w/o
pay (but with no chance of job loss) to go campaign for Obama, salary
paid for completely by the Letter Carriers Union?

I didn't know that, but in general I'd hope that most businesses would allow
their employees to go and campaign for their favorite politicians so long as
their absence doesn't impact productivity (i.e., they get someone else to
cover for their shift or, when viable, make up the time later) or cost the
business money.

I bet John Larkin would let his guys go to a McCain rally under similar
circumstances... :-)

The employees getting reimbursed by their union is between them and the union,
I'd think...


USPS? Or do you leftist weenies just simply gloss over facts?

...Jim Thompson
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"It isn't that democrats are ignorant. Far from it... it's just that
they know so much that just isn't so" -Ronald Reagan

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
USPS?

You can't ding the USPS employees if the deal is just that the government is a
poor negotiator with the employees' union...

In most cases any business with a union ends up that way because of poor
management. The various attempts to unionize, e.g., fast food workers or
Wal*Mart workers tend to fail, IMO, because in general the employees are
reasonably happy with their terms of employment.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:06:13 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
USPS?

You can't ding the USPS employees if the deal is just that the government is a
poor negotiator with the employees' union...

In most cases any business with a union ends up that way because of poor
management. The various attempts to unionize, e.g., fast food workers or
Wal*Mart workers tend to fail, IMO, because in general the employees are
reasonably happy with their terms of employment.



USPS is, for some time, actually a GSE. We ought to privatize it, and
allow competition.

...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so cute. Â*Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:57:41 -0500, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:06:13 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
USPS?

You can't ding the USPS employees if the deal is just that the government is a
poor negotiator with the employees' union...

In most cases any business with a union ends up that way because of poor
management. The various attempts to unionize, e.g., fast food workers or
Wal*Mart workers tend to fail, IMO, because in general the employees are
reasonably happy with their terms of employment.

Now you sound like a 'Republican' but liberals don't work that way.
Unions are 'good', period, regardless of how good anything else is and
they write laws to make it so, some Federal and some State. Like, for
example, 'closed shop' states where it's flat illegal to work in a
unionized professions unless you join the union, so it doesn't matter
one whit how good 'management' is.

And our Union loving friends have proposed a law banning secret ballot
voting (precisely because of the 'problem' you describe) so union
thugs, who, as the saying goes, 'know where you live', can 'observe'
whether you vote the 'proper' way.

And, of all people, even George McGovern has come out against it,
which gives you an idea of what has become of, so called,
'liberalism'.

Frankly, I am loath to call 'liberals' liberals because they are
anything but. They have simply usurped the word but none of the
meaning.

Yep. I'M a Liberal in the full Libertarian sense. Today's "liberals"
are leftist weenie socialist bums/thieves/leaches.

...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so cute. Â*Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.

"flipper" wrote in message
...
Now you sound like a 'Republican' but liberals don't work that way.
Unions are 'good', period, regardless of how good anything else is and
they write laws to make it so, some Federal and some State.

Yeah, I certainly don't agree with that. Historically, many unions were
good... these days, it's very much a mixed bag, with plenty of unions doing
more to hurt the company they're with than helping their workers.

Like, for
example, 'closed shop' states where it's flat illegal to work in a
unionized professions unless you join the union, so it doesn't matter
one whit how good 'management' is.

If I ran such a company I'd be looking the for means to legally dissolve it on
a Friday & re-open it on a Monday as a new company... without a union. Anyone
who didn't want their old job back -- sans union -- could go and find another
one...

And our Union loving friends have proposed a law banning secret ballot
voting (precisely because of the 'problem' you describe) so union
thugs, who, as the saying goes, 'know where you live', can 'observe'
whether you vote the 'proper' way.

That's ridiculous.

---Joel

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:29:37 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"flipper" wrote in message
.. .
Now you sound like a 'Republican' but liberals don't work that way.
Unions are 'good', period, regardless of how good anything else is and
they write laws to make it so, some Federal and some State.

Yeah, I certainly don't agree with that. Historically, many unions were
good... these days, it's very much a mixed bag, with plenty of unions doing
more to hurt the company they're with than helping their workers.

Like, for
example, 'closed shop' states where it's flat illegal to work in a
unionized professions unless you join the union, so it doesn't matter
one whit how good 'management' is.

If I ran such a company I'd be looking the for means to legally dissolve it on
a Friday & re-open it on a Monday as a new company... without a union. Anyone
who didn't want their old job back -- sans union -- could go and find another
one...

That's basically what happened with INCO in Huntington, WV, though it
took about a year for the facility to be sold and resurrect as
Specialty Metals, sans union and at 1/5 the hourly pay and with no
benefits ;-)


And our Union loving friends have proposed a law banning secret ballot
voting (precisely because of the 'problem' you describe) so union
thugs, who, as the saying goes, 'know where you live', can 'observe'
whether you vote the 'proper' way.

That's ridiculous.

---Joel


Except it's true... one of our queer Democrat Congressmen, Mitchell of
Arizona, is a co-sponsor of the bill. But there's a fair chance he'll
get bounced on his ass this election.

...Jim Thompson
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flipper wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:29:37 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"flipper" wrote in message
...
Now you sound like a 'Republican' but liberals don't work that way.
Unions are 'good', period, regardless of how good anything else is and
they write laws to make it so, some Federal and some State.
Yeah, I certainly don't agree with that. Historically, many unions were
good... these days, it's very much a mixed bag, with plenty of unions doing
more to hurt the company they're with than helping their workers.

Like, for
example, 'closed shop' states where it's flat illegal to work in a
unionized professions unless you join the union, so it doesn't matter
one whit how good 'management' is.
If I ran such a company I'd be looking the for means to legally dissolve it on
a Friday & re-open it on a Monday as a new company... without a union. Anyone
who didn't want their old job back -- sans union -- could go and find another
one...

There ya got me because I don't live in a closed shop state so I don't
know the finer points of how well that would work.


And our Union loving friends have proposed a law banning secret ballot
voting (precisely because of the 'problem' you describe) so union
thugs, who, as the saying goes, 'know where you live', can 'observe'
whether you vote the 'proper' way.
That's ridiculous.

Well, I think it goes past ridiculous but it does seem to be typical
of modern 'liberals' who are 'outcome based', and to hell with
principles.


---Joel

Obama gets in it's a done deal. He supports that bit of insanity.