Poll: Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 7 in New Hampshire" Breitbart.com Sept. 30, 2016 (3 days ago)
"Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by seven points, 42 percent to 35 percent, according to the latest WBUR/ MassINC poll..."

On 10/3/2016 5:57 AM, wrote:

IP Address 66.87.117.8
Location United States, New York, New York City
Latitude & Longitude 40.739668, -74.000765
ISP Sprint NYC Pop
237 West 15th Street
New York, NY 10011
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/23...31502808_zpid/
.... 7100 sqft cooperative

Poll: Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 7 in New Hampshire"


They're all on heroin.

Tweaker state.

On 10/3/2016 1:14 PM, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:
On 10/3/2016 5:57 AM, wrote:

IP Address 66.87.117.8
Location United States, New York, New York City
Latitude & Longitude 40.739668, -74.000765
ISP Sprint NYC Pop
237 West 15th Street
New York, NY 10011
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/23...31502808_zpid/

... 7100 sqft cooperative

Poll: Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 7 in New Hampshire"


They're all on heroin.

Tweaker state.


No they are not. It's Meth!

On 10/3/2016 12:32 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/3/2016 1:14 PM, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:
On 10/3/2016 5:57 AM, wrote:

IP Address 66.87.117.8
Location United States, New York, New York City
Latitude & Longitude 40.739668, -74.000765
ISP Sprint NYC Pop
237 West 15th Street
New York, NY 10011
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/23...31502808_zpid/


... 7100 sqft cooperative

Poll: Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 7 in New Hampshire"


They're all on heroin.

Tweaker state.


No they are not. It's Meth!

Heroin:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...n-primary.html


CRISIS COMMUNICATION
First in Heroin, First in the Nation to Vote
New Hampshires drug problem is so dire, candidates stumping in the
state have been forced to address the issue, whether theyre ready to or
not.
Tim Mak
TIM MAK

08.09.15 11:10 PM ET
A savage drug epidemic has seized New Hampshire, home of the
presidential races first primary election. And thats created a potent
2016 campaign issue€”one that top candidates cant afford to ignore.
In the past decade, the state government reports, the number of people
admitted to state-funded treatment programs rose by 90 percent for
heroin and 500 percent for prescription opiate abuse.
€œWe have in New Hampshire some of the highest per capita rates of
addiction in the United States,€� Tym Rourke, chairman of the New
Hampshire governors commission on drug abuse, told The Daily Beast. €œSo
we are very, very much at ground zero for addiction€¦ Right now, we are
having an overdose death every day.€�
If a presidential candidate hopes to have sway over the states voters,
Governor Maggie Hassan told The Daily Beast, theyre going to need to
read up on heroin addiction.
€œIts going to be really important that all presidential candidates
visiting New Hampshire be prepared on this issue, to understand how its
wreaking havoc in our state,€� she said.

lets see - 42-4 and 35+4 so with the error correction of +/- 4 points,
taking 4 error points off Clinton and moving them to Trump to fix the error.

Clinton : 38 Trump: 39.

Martin

On 10/3/2016 6:57 AM, wrote:
Poll: Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 7 in New Hampshire" Breitbart.com Sept. 30, 2016 (3 days ago)
"Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by seven points, 42 percent to 35 percent, according to the latest WBUR/ MassINC poll..."

COLORADO
Hillary Clinton holds 11-point lead over Donald Trump in Colorado: Monmouth University Poll - Washington Times
(Marijuana legal there)

On 10/4/2016 3:57 AM, wrote:
Hillary Clinton holds 11-point lead over Donald Trump in Colorado:

No she doesn't:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tein-5974.html

CNN/ORC 9/20 - 9/25 784 LV 3.5 41 42 13 3 Trump +1
Gravis 9/22 - 9/23 799 RV 3.5 37 41 6 6 Trump +4

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 02:57:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

COLORADO
Hillary Clinton holds 11-point lead over Donald Trump in Colorado: Monmouth University Poll - Washington Times
(Marijuana legal there)


At the University in a heavily stoned zone?

Dude...try harder. You keep coming up with the dumbest posts


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On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:45:11 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 02:57:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

COLORADO
Hillary Clinton holds 11-point lead over Donald Trump in Colorado: Monmouth University Poll - Washington Times
(Marijuana legal there)


At the University in a heavily stoned zone?

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You bull****ter. Once again, you weigh in on something you know
nothing about.

Monmouth is tied for the highest-rated pollster in the country. Its
538 rating is A+, with a +0.6 D bias and an 85% prediction rate:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

There are some things in life for which you can't just bull**** and
bluster your way through. This is one of them.

--
Ed Huntress

As we all know grades are often dependent on the Professor/teacher/....
curves them to. Looks bad to fail all of the deadheads so one scales up
the grades. Been there seen it. Even 50 years ago.

Martin

On 10/4/2016 6:57 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:45:11 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 02:57:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

COLORADO
Hillary Clinton holds 11-point lead over Donald Trump in Colorado: Monmouth University Poll - Washington Times
(Marijuana legal there)


At the University in a heavily stoned zone?

Dude...try harder. You keep coming up with the dumbest posts


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You bull****ter. Once again, you weigh in on something you know
nothing about.

Monmouth is tied for the highest-rated pollster in the country. Its
538 rating is A+, with a +0.6 D bias and an 85% prediction rate:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

There are some things in life for which you can't just bull**** and
bluster your way through. This is one of them.

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 20:19:20 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

As we all know grades are often dependent on the Professor/teacher/....
curves them to. Looks bad to fail all of the deadheads so one scales up
the grades. Been there seen it. Even 50 years ago.

Martin

It has nothing to do with "curves." Look into the calculations for
prediction rate. Those can't be fudged. They either got it right or
they didn't. If you looked into it further, you'd see that the bias
rates are similarly matters of objective calculation.

There is no argument with those ratings, Martin. You either understand
them and the hard facts from which they're calculated, or you don't.
Gunner was just bull****ting. He has no idea what he was talking
about.

--
Ed Huntress



On 10/4/2016 6:57 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:45:11 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 02:57:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

COLORADO
Hillary Clinton holds 11-point lead over Donald Trump in Colorado: Monmouth University Poll - Washington Times
(Marijuana legal there)


At the University in a heavily stoned zone?

Dude...try harder. You keep coming up with the dumbest posts


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You bull****ter. Once again, you weigh in on something you know
nothing about.

Monmouth is tied for the highest-rated pollster in the country. Its
538 rating is A+, with a +0.6 D bias and an 85% prediction rate:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

There are some things in life for which you can't just bull**** and
bluster your way through. This is one of them.

There is only one poll that counts.
All else is opinions, and everyone has one

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 21:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:

There is only one poll that counts.

That's true.

All else is opinions, and everyone has one

No, it's not opinions. It's sampling and statistics. Most people don't
do either. They just bloviate -- like Gunner.

Well-done polls give you a snapshot in time. That's what we're looking
at now. It won't tell you who will win, but it will tell you how the
voting public is reacting to events.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 21:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:

There is only one poll that counts.
All else is opinions, and everyone has one

I assume you are talking about the polls on Nov 7th?


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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 21:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:

There is only one poll that counts.
All else is opinions, and everyone has one

I assume you are talking about the polls on Nov 7th?

On tuesday immediately after the first monday in November.

On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:45:11 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 02:57:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

COLORADO
Hillary Clinton holds 11-point lead over Donald Trump in Colorado: Monmouth University Poll - Washington Times
(Marijuana legal there)


At the University in a heavily stoned zone?

Dude...try harder. You keep coming up with the dumbest posts

Why haven't you plonked him yet, mon? Ctrl-K, Enter, OK the number
of posts by it, Enter. Gone forever, or until someone replies to its
trolls...

--
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good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 20:19:20 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

As we all know grades are often dependent on the Professor/teacher/....
curves them to. Looks bad to fail all of the deadheads so one scales up
the grades. Been there seen it. Even 50 years ago.

My 4th grade History teacher used to bore us to death in class all day
with talks of where she'd been, which we'd quickly tune out. Then the
test would be comprised entirely on said boring lectures which had
nothing to do with the official textbook. She refused to grade on a
curve, so the highest grade in her class was a C-. The parents got
wind of this, joined together at a PTA meeting, and reamed her ass but
_good_. It seems that the Principal wasn't entirely thrilled that she
was teacher her own personal history to the kids and things got better
in a hurry.

OTOH, one of my 3rd grade teachers, Mrs. Singleton, was a stout and
strict old battleax who, once everyone got the picture, became the
sweetest, most endearing and brilliant teacher, one who got the kids
engaged enough to really want to learn. None of us ever forgot her.

--
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good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod

On 10/5/2016 3:46 AM, wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 21:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:

There is only one poll that counts.
All else is opinions, and everyone has one

I assume you are talking about the polls on Nov 7th?

On tuesday immediately after the first monday in November.



Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4

On 10/4/2016 10:13 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well-done polls give you a snapshot in time. That's what we're looking
at now. It won't tell you who will win, but it will tell you how the
voting public is reacting to events.


Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4

On 10/4/2016 10:00 PM, Rex wrote:
There is only one poll that counts.
All else is opinions, and everyone has one



Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4

On 10/4/2016 9:54 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
They either got it right or
they didn't.


Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:50:54 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/4/2016 10:13 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well-done polls give you a snapshot in time. That's what we're looking
at now. It won't tell you who will win, but it will tell you how the
voting public is reacting to events.


Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4


LA Times tracking is the outlier -- roughly 6 points under the other
professional polls for Clinton. Here's the story on it. They have an
odd weighting factor for people who voted in the 2012 election. The
consensus is that the LAT/USC level is an outlier but the trend lines
are good:

"Election Update: Leave The LA Times Poll Alone!"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...es-poll-alone/

As for Rasmussen, it's a C+ rated poll with a +2 Republican bias.
However, it tends to call elections correctly (79%) *in the last week*
before an election. It's another odd one, being conducted with
robocalls.

Your best bets are either the Real Clear Politics averages:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nton-5491.html

or the 538 poll averages:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ational-polls/

The 538 analyses are interesting:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ex_cid=rrpromo

Again, though, it's all snapshots.

--
Ed Huntress

On 10/5/2016 2:04 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:50:54 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/4/2016 10:13 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well-done polls give you a snapshot in time. That's what we're looking
at now. It won't tell you who will win, but it will tell you how the
voting public is reacting to events.


Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4


LA Times tracking is the outlier -- roughly 6 points under the other
professional polls for Clinton. Here's the story on it. They have an
odd weighting factor for people who voted in the 2012 election. The
consensus is that the LAT/USC level is an outlier but the trend lines
are good:

"Election Update: Leave The LA Times Poll Alone!"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...es-poll-alone/

As for Rasmussen, it's a C+ rated poll with a +2 Republican bias.
However, it tends to call elections correctly (79%) *in the last week*
before an election. It's another odd one, being conducted with
robocalls.

Your best bets are either the Real Clear Politics averages:

The polls are inadequate this election due to the fear instilled in
Trump voters by the insanely rabid Dems.

It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

Do not trust the polls.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:18:07 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/5/2016 2:04 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:50:54 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/4/2016 10:13 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well-done polls give you a snapshot in time. That's what we're looking
at now. It won't tell you who will win, but it will tell you how the
voting public is reacting to events.


Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4


LA Times tracking is the outlier -- roughly 6 points under the other
professional polls for Clinton. Here's the story on it. They have an
odd weighting factor for people who voted in the 2012 election. The
consensus is that the LAT/USC level is an outlier but the trend lines
are good:

"Election Update: Leave The LA Times Poll Alone!"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...es-poll-alone/

As for Rasmussen, it's a C+ rated poll with a +2 Republican bias.
However, it tends to call elections correctly (79%) *in the last week*
before an election. It's another odd one, being conducted with
robocalls.

Your best bets are either the Real Clear Politics averages:

The polls are inadequate this election due to the fear instilled in
Trump voters by the insanely rabid Dems.

I saw on TV a couple of days ago that some polling organization ran
some tests to see if there was such a factor at work, and they
concluded there wasn't. In fact, to the extent there is a small
"embarrassment" factor, it seems to work against Hillary rather than
Trump.

Their bottom line was that there is no evidence that the Democrats
have instilled "fear" in Trump voters. g


It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years. There was a book about them
(_Bumper Sticker Wisdom: America’s Pulpit Above the Tail Pipe_), and
ten years later, the same author wrote an article about how much they
had declined.

You'll notice that Trump doesn't even offer them among his
merchandise.


Do not trust the polls.

It depends on what you're trusting them for. When the values in a poll
are pretty evenly divided, like 44%/46%, polls are no good as
predictors. When the values split widely, like 75%/25%, they're very
useful.

The usefulness of presidential election polls in recent years applies
to their detection of trends, rather than to absolute values. That
LAT/USC poll you brought up, for example, has NO sampling error from
one day's tracking to the next, because they keep asking the same
question of the same 3,000 people. If the numbers change, it tells you
something important about a trend.

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years. There was a book about them
(_Bumper Sticker Wisdom: Americas Pulpit Above the Tail Pipe_), and
ten years later, the same author wrote an article about how much they
had declined.

You'll notice that Trump doesn't even offer them among his
merchandise.



In today's age of ThoughtCrime, displaying one's thought's in public can be
hazardous to your health or liberty

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:18:07 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/5/2016 2:04 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:50:54 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/4/2016 10:13 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well-done polls give you a snapshot in time. That's what we're looking
at now. It won't tell you who will win, but it will tell you how the
voting public is reacting to events.


Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4


LA Times tracking is the outlier -- roughly 6 points under the other
professional polls for Clinton. Here's the story on it. They have an
odd weighting factor for people who voted in the 2012 election. The
consensus is that the LAT/USC level is an outlier but the trend lines
are good:

"Election Update: Leave The LA Times Poll Alone!"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...es-poll-alone/

As for Rasmussen, it's a C+ rated poll with a +2 Republican bias.
However, it tends to call elections correctly (79%) *in the last week*
before an election. It's another odd one, being conducted with
robocalls.

Your best bets are either the Real Clear Politics averages:

The polls are inadequate this election due to the fear instilled in
Trump voters by the insanely rabid Dems.

It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

Do not trust the polls.

True enough.

Im seeing very..very few Democrat bumper stickers..even in So. Cal.

The majority are Trump or Conservatives Go Vote


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On 10/5/2016 2:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:18:07 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/5/2016 2:04 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:50:54 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/4/2016 10:13 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well-done polls give you a snapshot in time. That's what we're looking
at now. It won't tell you who will win, but it will tell you how the
voting public is reacting to events.


Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4


LA Times tracking is the outlier -- roughly 6 points under the other
professional polls for Clinton. Here's the story on it. They have an
odd weighting factor for people who voted in the 2012 election. The
consensus is that the LAT/USC level is an outlier but the trend lines
are good:

"Election Update: Leave The LA Times Poll Alone!"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...es-poll-alone/

As for Rasmussen, it's a C+ rated poll with a +2 Republican bias.
However, it tends to call elections correctly (79%) *in the last week*
before an election. It's another odd one, being conducted with
robocalls.

Your best bets are either the Real Clear Politics averages:

The polls are inadequate this election due to the fear instilled in
Trump voters by the insanely rabid Dems.

I saw on TV a couple of days ago that some polling organization ran
some tests to see if there was such a factor at work, and they
concluded there wasn't.

Un-sourced lamestream media denials are REJECTED!



It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years.

Nope.

There are still plenty of treasonous 'O' stickers out there.



Do not trust the polls.

It depends on what you're trusting them for.

That's specious obfuscation.

We're not trusting them for tire ratings.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:29:58 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:



On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years. There was a book about them
(_Bumper Sticker Wisdom: America’s Pulpit Above the Tail Pipe_), and
ten years later, the same author wrote an article about how much they
had declined.

You'll notice that Trump doesn't even offer them among his
merchandise.



In today's age of ThoughtCrime, displaying one's thought's in public can be
hazardous to your health or liberty

I had that made apparent a few weeks ago. Got stopped at a BLM
roadblock. They reached for my door and I rolled the window down with
one hand..my .45 in the other. When they retreated in haste..I did a
u turn and left the area via another route. Im not sure which they
were more concerned with..my facial expression of the pistol.
Frankly..I was ****ed and was more than willing (and able) to shoot a
few..and they knew it.

Shrug


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On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 07:38:03 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:45:11 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 02:57:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

COLORADO
Hillary Clinton holds 11-point lead over Donald Trump in Colorado: Monmouth University Poll - Washington Times
(Marijuana legal there)


At the University in a heavily stoned zone?

Dude...try harder. You keep coming up with the dumbest posts

Why haven't you plonked him yet, mon? Ctrl-K, Enter, OK the number
of posts by it, Enter. Gone forever, or until someone replies to its
trolls...

I have...4 times. He keeps making minute changes which bypass the
filter. Ive not gotten around to plinking him again.


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On 10/5/2016 3:29 PM, Rex wrote:


On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years. There was a book about them
(_Bumper Sticker Wisdom: Americas Pulpit Above the Tail Pipe_), and
ten years later, the same author wrote an article about how much they
had declined.

You'll notice that Trump doesn't even offer them among his
merchandise.



In today's age of ThoughtCrime, displaying one's thought's in public can be
hazardous to your health or liberty


As an example, look at what has happened to Dilbert's creator:

http://www.infowars.com/dilbert-crea...ump-landslide/

Alex Jones talks with Scott Adams, cartoonist and creator of the famed
comic strip Dilbert, about the death threats he received until he said
he would support Hillary Clinton.

On 10/5/2016 3:42 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:18:07 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/5/2016 2:04 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:50:54 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/4/2016 10:13 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well-done polls give you a snapshot in time. That's what we're looking
at now. It won't tell you who will win, but it will tell you how the
voting public is reacting to events.


Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4


LA Times tracking is the outlier -- roughly 6 points under the other
professional polls for Clinton. Here's the story on it. They have an
odd weighting factor for people who voted in the 2012 election. The
consensus is that the LAT/USC level is an outlier but the trend lines
are good:

"Election Update: Leave The LA Times Poll Alone!"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...es-poll-alone/

As for Rasmussen, it's a C+ rated poll with a +2 Republican bias.
However, it tends to call elections correctly (79%) *in the last week*
before an election. It's another odd one, being conducted with
robocalls.

Your best bets are either the Real Clear Politics averages:

The polls are inadequate this election due to the fear instilled in
Trump voters by the insanely rabid Dems.

It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

Do not trust the polls.

True enough.

Im seeing very..very few Democrat bumper stickers..even in So. Cal.

The majority are Trump or Conservatives Go Vote

I have not seen even one Clintoon sticker.

And only 3 Trumps ones.

On 10/5/2016 3:45 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:29:58 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:



On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years. There was a book about them
(_Bumper Sticker Wisdom: America’s Pulpit Above the Tail Pipe_), and
ten years later, the same author wrote an article about how much they
had declined.

You'll notice that Trump doesn't even offer them among his
merchandise.



In today's age of ThoughtCrime, displaying one's thought's in public can be
hazardous to your health or liberty

I had that made apparent a few weeks ago. Got stopped at a BLM
roadblock. They reached for my door and I rolled the window down with
one hand..my .45 in the other. When they retreated in haste..I did a
u turn and left the area via another route. Im not sure which they
were more concerned with..my facial expression of the pistol.
Frankly..I was ****ed and was more than willing (and able) to shoot a
few..and they knew it.

Shrug

WTF did they have a roadblock for?

Cliven Bundy's lost cattle?

On 10/5/2016 3:47 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 07:38:03 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 13:45:11 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 02:57:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

COLORADO
Hillary Clinton holds 11-point lead over Donald Trump in Colorado: Monmouth University Poll - Washington Times
(Marijuana legal there)


At the University in a heavily stoned zone?

Dude...try harder. You keep coming up with the dumbest posts

Why haven't you plonked him yet, mon? Ctrl-K, Enter, OK the number
of posts by it, Enter. Gone forever, or until someone replies to its
trolls...

I have...4 times. He keeps making minute changes which bypass the
filter. Ive not gotten around to plinking him again.


Some actual plinking would be a marvelous thing.

;-)

Naturally, it pays when the classes pass with grade and you get a raise.

If not you might not at all or take more work or a cut.

For the last 40+ years there has been a measured value put on each
teacher. Did they do this or that grade. Did they do this or that
another... and the grade determines who is a good teacher. (HaHa Not.)

Classroom teacher for 9 years , College for 11.

Martin H. Eastburn

On 10/4/2016 10:54 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 20:19:20 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

As we all know grades are often dependent on the Professor/teacher/....
curves them to. Looks bad to fail all of the deadheads so one scales up
the grades. Been there seen it. Even 50 years ago.

Martin

It has nothing to do with "curves." Look into the calculations for
prediction rate. Those can't be fudged. They either got it right or
they didn't. If you looked into it further, you'd see that the bias
rates are similarly matters of objective calculation.

There is no argument with those ratings, Martin. You either understand
them and the hard facts from which they're calculated, or you don't.
Gunner was just bull****ting. He has no idea what he was talking
about.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 16:03:08 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/5/2016 3:45 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:29:58 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:



On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years. There was a book about them
(_Bumper Sticker Wisdom: America’s Pulpit Above the Tail Pipe_), and
ten years later, the same author wrote an article about how much they
had declined.

You'll notice that Trump doesn't even offer them among his
merchandise.



In today's age of ThoughtCrime, displaying one's thought's in public can be
hazardous to your health or liberty

I had that made apparent a few weeks ago. Got stopped at a BLM
roadblock. They reached for my door and I rolled the window down with
one hand..my .45 in the other. When they retreated in haste..I did a
u turn and left the area via another route. Im not sure which they
were more concerned with..my facial expression of the pistol.
Frankly..I was ****ed and was more than willing (and able) to shoot a
few..and they knew it.

Shrug

WTF did they have a roadblock for?

Black Lives Matter, not the Beauru of Land Management
Sorry about the confusion.


Cliven Bundy's lost cattle?

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On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 15:44:56 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/5/2016 2:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:18:07 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/5/2016 2:04 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:50:54 -0600, Allah's Cock Bar wrote:

On 10/4/2016 10:13 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well-done polls give you a snapshot in time. That's what we're looking
at now. It won't tell you who will win, but it will tell you how the
voting public is reacting to events.


Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 42, Johnson 8, Stein 2 Trump +1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton LA Times/USC Tracking Clinton
43, Trump 47 Trump +4


LA Times tracking is the outlier -- roughly 6 points under the other
professional polls for Clinton. Here's the story on it. They have an
odd weighting factor for people who voted in the 2012 election. The
consensus is that the LAT/USC level is an outlier but the trend lines
are good:

"Election Update: Leave The LA Times Poll Alone!"

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...es-poll-alone/

As for Rasmussen, it's a C+ rated poll with a +2 Republican bias.
However, it tends to call elections correctly (79%) *in the last week*
before an election. It's another odd one, being conducted with
robocalls.

Your best bets are either the Real Clear Politics averages:

The polls are inadequate this election due to the fear instilled in
Trump voters by the insanely rabid Dems.

I saw on TV a couple of days ago that some polling organization ran
some tests to see if there was such a factor at work, and they
concluded there wasn't.

Un-sourced lamestream media denials are REJECTED!

I really don't care what you reject.




It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years.

Nope.

Yup.

The Life and Death of the Political Bumper Sticker - The Atlantic
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolog...ticker/472395/

The Slow Death of the Political Bumper Sticker
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolog...ticker/472395/

Bumper Stickers Getting Bumped Out of Public Favor [1998]
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/dec/13/news/mn-53443

The Case of the Missing Bumper Stickers - NYTimes.com [1992]
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/25/op...rs-232192.html


T/he use of bumper stickers has been declining for a couple of
decades.


There are still plenty of treasonous 'O' stickers out there.

No.




Do not trust the polls.

It depends on what you're trusting them for. When the values in a poll
are pretty evenly divided, like 44%/46%, polls are no good as
predictors. When the values split widely, like 75%/25%, they're very
useful.

The usefulness of presidential election polls in recent years applies
to their detection of trends, rather than to absolute values. That
LAT/USC poll you brought up, for example, has NO sampling error from
one day's tracking to the next, because they keep asking the same
question of the same 3,000 people. If the numbers change, it tells you
something important about a trend.

That's specious obfuscation.

No, that's survey statistics. You either understand it, or you don't.


We're not trusting them for tire ratings.

That's your business.

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Ed Huntress

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 22:30:39 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

Naturally, it pays when the classes pass with grade and you get a raise.

If not you might not at all or take more work or a cut.

For the last 40+ years there has been a measured value put on each
teacher. Did they do this or that grade. Did they do this or that
another... and the grade determines who is a good teacher. (HaHa Not.)

Classroom teacher for 9 years , College for 11.

Martin H. Eastburn

Martin, your introduction of "curves" to this discussion had nothing
to do with teaching or classrooms. You were commenting on the
evaluations of pollsters by 538.

I'll say again: The predictive values and the party biases are not
something that's graded on a curve. They're things you can measure by
counting. And the grades correspond to the accuracy and repeatability
of polls run by each organization.

No curves. No guesswork. Just measurement of objective criteria.

--
Ed Huntress



On 10/4/2016 10:54 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 20:19:20 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

As we all know grades are often dependent on the Professor/teacher/....
curves them to. Looks bad to fail all of the deadheads so one scales up
the grades. Been there seen it. Even 50 years ago.

Martin

It has nothing to do with "curves." Look into the calculations for
prediction rate. Those can't be fudged. They either got it right or
they didn't. If you looked into it further, you'd see that the bias
rates are similarly matters of objective calculation.

There is no argument with those ratings, Martin. You either understand
them and the hard facts from which they're calculated, or you don't.
Gunner was just bull****ting. He has no idea what he was talking
about.

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 14:45:35 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:29:58 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:



On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years. There was a book about them
(_Bumper Sticker Wisdom: America’s Pulpit Above the Tail Pipe_), and
ten years later, the same author wrote an article about how much they
had declined.

You'll notice that Trump doesn't even offer them among his
merchandise.



In today's age of ThoughtCrime, displaying one's thought's in public can be
hazardous to your health or liberty

I had that made apparent a few weeks ago. Got stopped at a BLM
roadblock. They reached for my door and I rolled the window down with
one hand..my .45 in the other. When they retreated in haste..I did a
u turn and left the area via another route.

Yada yada. The Amazing Wieber slays yet another dragon... according to
him.

Im not sure which they
were more concerned with..my facial expression of the pistol.
Frankly..I was ****ed and was more than willing (and able) to shoot a
few..and they knew it.

No one fears you. You will kill no one. You will cull yourself, and
nobody will be surprised.

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 07:33:00 -0700, That's What's Up
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 14:45:35 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:29:58 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:



On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years. There was a book about them
(_Bumper Sticker Wisdom: America’s Pulpit Above the Tail Pipe_), and
ten years later, the same author wrote an article about how much they
had declined.

You'll notice that Trump doesn't even offer them among his
merchandise.



In today's age of ThoughtCrime, displaying one's thought's in public can be
hazardous to your health or liberty

I had that made apparent a few weeks ago. Got stopped at a BLM
roadblock. They reached for my door and I rolled the window down with
one hand..my .45 in the other. When they retreated in haste..I did a
u turn and left the area via another route.

Yada yada. The Amazing Wieber slays yet another dragon... according to
him.

Was Gunner driving his Maserati? That would explain it. That draws in
all kinds of criminals. He should have driven his Land Rover.


Im not sure which they
were more concerned with..my facial expression of the pistol.
Frankly..I was ****ed and was more than willing (and able) to shoot a
few..and they knew it.

No one fears you. You will kill no one. You will cull yourself, and
nobody will be surprised.

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

What email, wackjob?

On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 11:18:54 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2016 07:33:00 -0700, That's What's Up
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 14:45:35 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 14:29:58 -0700 (PDT), Rex
wrote:



On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:


It's the same fear that has made bumper stickers disappear btw.

They've been in decline for years. There was a book about them
(_Bumper Sticker Wisdom: America’s Pulpit Above the Tail Pipe_), and
ten years later, the same author wrote an article about how much they
had declined.

You'll notice that Trump doesn't even offer them among his
merchandise.



In today's age of ThoughtCrime, displaying one's thought's in public can be
hazardous to your health or liberty

I had that made apparent a few weeks ago. Got stopped at a BLM
roadblock. They reached for my door and I rolled the window down with
one hand..my .45 in the other. When they retreated in haste..I did a
u turn and left the area via another route.

Yada yada. The Amazing Wieber slays yet another dragon... according to
him.

Was Gunner driving his Maserati? That would explain it. That draws in
all kinds of criminals. He should have driven his Land Rover.

Apparently word hasn't gotten around about one of his other stories.
The one in which the Amazing Wieber taught appreciative gang members
how to hold their handguns properly. He might fantasize about
something worthwhile, like earning a living. A bridge too far I
suppose.