I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

thanks

rud wrote:

I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

thanks
Hi,
Flared fittings.
How about length of yellow flexible hose kind?
Tony

"rud" wrote in message
om...
I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

thanks

Is this an approved method in your area? It is not an approved method where
I live. If I was putting gas underground (assumed) I would be using the pvc
coated grc made exactly for this. Have fun, see ya on the news

Hi Tony, hope you are having a nice day

On 19-Nov-04 At About 10:58:11, Tony Hwang wrote to All
Subject: Soldering soft copper

TH From: Tony Hwang

TH rud wrote:

I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings? thanks

TH Hi, Flared fittings. How about length of yellow flexible hose kind?
TH Tony

You need to attend a day long course to buy this stuff and last I knew it was
fo contractors only.

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"rud" wrote in message
om...
I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

Around here they require K. Some codes forbid all copper. Check on it
first.
Codes generally insist on flared, though I have no idea why. (Anyone know?)

"toller" wrote in message
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"rud" wrote in message
om...
I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

Around here they require K. Some codes forbid all copper. Check on it first.
Codes generally insist on flared, though I have no idea why. (Anyone know?)

This is Turtle

Plumbers are very poor welders and are use to playing with their nuts and Flare
nuts. Just turning a Nut is eazy but welding solider joint is not. Less Leaks
with Nuts on the job.

TURTLE

"rud" wrote in message
om...
I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

thanks

This is Turtle.

Check your code in your area as to Copper or L or K types of copper being used.
I personally don't have a problem with L copper for this but i would feel safer
with K on it.

To weld / sweat or not. Depends on how good you are and do you have the right
tools to sweat it right. Also check you code out as to what they perfer.

TURTLE

For gas lines, soldering the copper lines is something not really want to
do. Even if new and no gas present, making repairs once the gas is turned on
is somehting you do not want to use any heat with. Even after the gas has
been turned off can have a pocket of gas still in the line.

Use the flare nuts!

"TURTLE" wrote in message
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"rud" wrote in message
om...
I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

thanks

This is Turtle.

Check your code in your area as to Copper or L or K types of copper being
used.
I personally don't have a problem with L copper for this but i would feel
safer
with K on it.

To weld / sweat or not. Depends on how good you are and do you have the
right
tools to sweat it right. Also check you code out as to what they perfer.

TURTLE

"MC" wrote in message
.. .
For gas lines, soldering the copper lines is something not really want to
do. Even if new and no gas present, making repairs once the gas is turned on
is somehting you do not want to use any heat with. Even after the gas has
been turned off can have a pocket of gas still in the line.

Use the flare nuts!

This is Turtle.

I can tell you right now he does not have the right tools to sweat the copper in
with for it would cost about a couple thousand dollars to buy the tools. The gas
companys use welding or screw pipe on all their lines for they have the tools to
do it right by welding. The Flare nuts & Screw pipe is for Do it yourselfers and
plumber making tie in's or additions.

With the right tools you can purgue the lines with N2 and sweat / weld the joint
that needs fixing. He ask this question just about already knowing he will have
to use flare nuts or screw pipe.

Wait a minute here. I could be wrong here for there is some people in this world
that does not have a clue and will attemp sweating and not know what they are
doing. I think that is the ones I read about in the New paper.

I take everything back here.

TURTLE

Hi John, hope you are having a nice day

On 20-Nov-04 At About 06:29:39, John Hines wrote to All
Subject: Soldering soft copper

JH From: John Hines

JH "HvacTech2" wrote:


JH I saw a 250' roll of yellow covered stainless flex pipe, for gas, at
JH my local home center, which also had fittings for it, so I'll guess
JH it can be purchased by mere mortals.

Hmmm, I would double check that as my supply house wouldn't even sell it to
me until I attended the classes.

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Hi Tony, hope you are having a nice day

On 19-Nov-04 At About 10:58:11, Tony Hwang wrote to All
Subject: Soldering soft copper

TH From: Tony Hwang

TH rud wrote:

I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings? thanks

TH Hi, Flared fittings. How about length of yellow flexible hose kind?
TH Tony

You need to attend a day long course to buy this stuff and last I knew it was
fo contractors only.

I saw a 250' roll of yellow covered stainless flex pipe, for gas, at my
local home center, which also had fittings for it, so I'll guess it can
be purchased by mere mortals.

"HvacTech2" wrote:



Hi John, hope you are having a nice day

On 20-Nov-04 At About 06:29:39, John Hines wrote to All
Subject: Soldering soft copper

JH From: John Hines

JH "HvacTech2" wrote:


JH I saw a 250' roll of yellow covered stainless flex pipe, for gas, at
JH my local home center, which also had fittings for it, so I'll guess
JH it can be purchased by mere mortals.

Hmmm, I would double check that as my supply house wouldn't even sell it to
me until I attended the classes.

The stuff is sitting on the shelves, just like everything else. No
indication of any special restrictions.

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On 19 Nov 2004 07:48:09 -0800, (rud) wrote:

I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

thanks

Check code!

Around my area (local codes):

1 - you must be a licensed gas fitter, skip that and your home fire
insurance goes up in smoke

2 - soldering/welding/brazing gas lines of any type is forbidden on
premises.

3 - all NEW natural gas and propane underground runs MUST now be plastic.

gerry

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rud wrote:
I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

thanks
Not a good idea to use copper for this. Natural gas reacts with copper
and causes it to flake off and clogs the orifices of the device using
the gas.
Typical underground gas pipe is coated black iron or special plastic
piping that requires special tools and training to use them (as well as
certification) Also note that the transition from under ground to above
ground with plastic should be as special metal riser to protect the pipe
from damage.
Typical codes require metal pipe be buried no less than 12" and plastic 18".

John Hines wrote:
"HvacTech2" wrote:



Hi Tony, hope you are having a nice day

On 19-Nov-04 At About 10:58:11, Tony Hwang wrote to All
Subject: Soldering soft copper

TH From: Tony Hwang

TH rud wrote:


I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings? thanks

TH Hi, Flared fittings. How about length of yellow flexible hose kind?
TH Tony

You need to attend a day long course to buy this stuff and last I knew it was
fo contractors only.


I saw a 250' roll of yellow covered stainless flex pipe, for gas, at my
local home center, which also had fittings for it, so I'll guess it can
be purchased by mere mortals.

I don't think this stuff is rated for underground use.

gerry wrote:

3 - all NEW natural gas and propane underground runs MUST now be plastic.

With (I hope) running a metallic wire along with it, so that it can be
found by the metal detectors used to find buried pipe.

Inspector D wrote:

John Hines wrote:
"HvacTech2" wrote:



Hi Tony, hope you are having a nice day

On 19-Nov-04 At About 10:58:11, Tony Hwang wrote to All
Subject: Soldering soft copper

TH From: Tony Hwang

TH rud wrote:


I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings? thanks

TH Hi, Flared fittings. How about length of yellow flexible hose kind?
TH Tony

You need to attend a day long course to buy this stuff and last I knew it was
fo contractors only.


I saw a 250' roll of yellow covered stainless flex pipe, for gas, at my
local home center, which also had fittings for it, so I'll guess it can
be purchased by mere mortals.

I don't think this stuff is rated for underground use.

I dunno the details, since working with gas is something
I let a pro do. I just noticed the stuff at the local big box store, and
that the 250' roll would solve the OP problem.

Yellow plastic tubing, along with a tracer wire seems to be what is
installed locally these days.

Inspector D wrote:

John Hines wrote:
"HvacTech2" wrote:



Hi Tony, hope you are having a nice day

On 19-Nov-04 At About 10:58:11, Tony Hwang wrote to All
Subject: Soldering soft copper

TH From: Tony Hwang

TH rud wrote:


I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings? thanks

TH Hi, Flared fittings. How about length of yellow flexible hose kind?
TH Tony

You need to attend a day long course to buy this stuff and last I knew it was
fo contractors only.


I saw a 250' roll of yellow covered stainless flex pipe, for gas, at my
local home center, which also had fittings for it, so I'll guess it can
be purchased by mere mortals.

I don't think this stuff is rated for underground use.

A little checking on the web finds that you are correct, CSST tubing
isn't for ground contact.

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:24:34 GMT, Inspector D
wrote:

rud wrote:
I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

thanks
Not a good idea to use copper for this. Natural gas reacts with copper
and causes it to flake off and clogs the orifices of the device using
the gas.

Note, for NG copper use, code here required plated (interior of tube)
copper tubing. That pretty much ruled out any soldering, brazing or
welding.

Now, only plastic may be used underground HERE. Propane or NG.

gerry

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Wow, quite the responses and ranges. Now it gets more intersting. my
city building inspector said that only type K or L copper can be used,
and all joints that are to be hidden must be brazed, not flared.

Line must also hold 60psi for 1hr or 25lbs for 12hrs.


gerry wrote in message . ..
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:24:34 GMT, Inspector D
wrote:

rud wrote:
I am running a gas line out to my garage, however the run is about
120feet so I'll need to use a couple of rolls. I am using type L soft
copper tubing. Is it okay to solder joints in a gas supply line or
should I use flared fittings?

thanks
Not a good idea to use copper for this. Natural gas reacts with copper
and causes it to flake off and clogs the orifices of the device using
the gas.

Note, for NG copper use, code here required plated (interior of tube)
copper tubing. That pretty much ruled out any soldering, brazing or
welding.

Now, only plastic may be used underground HERE. Propane or NG.

gerry