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Old May 21st 09, 04:47 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default new flapper still leaks

I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)

At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...
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Old May 21st 09, 05:27 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default new flapper still leaks

On May 21, 10:47*am, c_shah wrote:
I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)

At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...


The flapper seat must be smooth, just changing the flapper does no
good if the seat is corroded or has gunk build-up.
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Old May 21st 09, 05:59 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default new flapper still leaks

On May 21, 11:47*am, c_shah wrote:
I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)

At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...


If the seat is brass, try smoothing it out with a Brillo pad.
Otherwise you might have to get an OEM flapper. I've had problems with
my 20+ year old Eljer toilet in the past with the flapper. Then I
ordered an OEM Eljer flapper and have no probems since. I ordered from
these guys,
http://www.plumbingpartsdepot.com/
they have all schematics online and very helpful. You might want to
consider getting an OEM fill valve as well.
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Old May 21st 09, 06:37 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default new flapper still leaks

On May 21, 10:47*am, c_shah wrote:
I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)

At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...


Call Kohler customer service for the right part. Top notch people to
deal with, reasonable prices, too. It also appears your new fill valve
isn't working right or it would keep the tank filled if the flapper is
leaking. Food coloring is commonly used to trace water flow in
toilets.

Joe
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Old May 21st 09, 07:56 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default new flapper still leaks

c_shah wrote:
I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)

At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...

I know many people will say this is NG,
but I have done it for many, many
years without a problem. I put a thin
layer of petroleum jelly on the rubber.
I know, petroleum and rubber don't get
along, however, as I said, the
rubber never deteriorated from this.
BTW, I think one of the problems
with leakage is due to the lower flush
toilet having less "head pressure" due
to shorter tanks. With the older
toilets, higher tanks meant more pressure
on the flap, leading to a tighter seal.
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Old May 21st 09, 08:06 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default new flapper still leaks

c_shah wrote:
I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)

At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...


If I read your post correctly, you put one of the new flush controllers
and a new flapper in your old toilet. I'm guessing the problem is with
the new controller and thinking that maybe the so called cleaning action
is pushing the flapper to allow leakage.

The controller in an old toilet does not seem like a good idea as old
toilets were designed to use a lot of water. I remember the old days
when a lot of us were adding bricks to the tank to use less water and
results were unsatisfactory.

I'm just a regular old home owner but these are my thoughts.
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Old May 22nd 09, 12:41 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default new flapper still leaks

On May 21, 10:47*am, c_shah wrote:
I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)

At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...


An old toilet could need the drain seat filled smooth
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Old May 22nd 09, 12:43 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default new flapper still leaks

On May 22, 3:44*am, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 15:06:49 -0400, Frank





wrote:
c_shah wrote:
I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSIwww.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)


At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...


If I read your post correctly, you put one of the new flush controllers
and a new flapper in your old toilet. *I'm guessing the problem is with
the new controller and thinking that maybe the so called cleaning action
is pushing the flapper to allow leakage.


The controller in an old toilet does not seem like a good idea as old
toilets were designed to use a lot of water. *I remember the old days
when a lot of us were adding bricks to the tank to use less water and
results were unsatisfactory.


I'm just a regular old home owner but these are my thoughts.


Either you're a woman named Frank, or you're a homosexual. *REAL MEN
dont put bricks in their toilet. *REAL MEN want toilets that use LOTS
of water. *The more the better. *REAL MEN connect two, three, or more
tanks to one toilet, and connect the flush handle to each one with
thick baling wire, heavy chain, and duct tape. That way all these
tanks will dump into the bowl at the same time. *Four 7-gallon tanks
seem to do a good job, that's 28 gallon per flush. *Better yet, a 250
gallon livestock tank can be modified to replace the standard toilet
tank. *That will flush down even the biggest turd from the BIGGEST
REAL MAN.

(Or use two, three, or four of them livestock tanks for the best flush
in town, and even God will be impressed by your manhood).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I would agree but you missed one possibility, I'm on septic and well.
Water is free and I get all I want. OTOH I can suffer at the septic
end with wet drain field.
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Old May 22nd 09, 02:03 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default new flapper still leaks

On Thu, 21 May 2009 08:47:51 -0700 (PDT), c_shah
wrote:

I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)

At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...


What model fill valve? What type of flapper?
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Old May 23rd 09, 12:24 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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c_shah wrote:

I replace my 20 years old toilet (KOHLER) with a new fill value (made
by MJSI www.gomjsi.com) and a flapper. It still leaks..at about 4
hours tank is empty looks like it is leaking into bowl (no water
around toilet area)

At this point I am not sure what could be causing it to leak? should I
try another flapper...


Could a cracked overflow tube be the problem?

Erik
 




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