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Un-necessary conmplication?
Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good
Phillips to begin with? It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. FoggyTown |
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I beg to differ. I'll take a Posi over a Phillips any day of the week.
Dave foggytown wrote: Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. FoggyTown |
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The Posi-drive screw was originally designed for automated use at GM
assembly plants. It is far better than Phillips. Dave "David" wrote in message ... I beg to differ. I'll take a Posi over a Phillips any day of the week. Dave foggytown wrote: Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. FoggyTown Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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I think we are in agreement.
Dave Teamcasa wrote: The Posi-drive screw was originally designed for automated use at GM assembly plants. It is far better than Phillips. Dave "David" wrote in message ... I beg to differ. I'll take a Posi over a Phillips any day of the week. Dave foggytown wrote: Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. FoggyTown Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Because for some unbeknownst reason, not everyone has abandoned philips
for square drive yet? |
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On 3 Mar 2005 12:33:28 -0800, foggytown wrote:
Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? Because it doesn't cam out nearly as badly as the Phillips. It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. Well, Betamax was superior to VHS in image quality, just as Posi is better than Phillips for actually turning a screw. Popularity and quality have a relationship that is coincidental at best. Dave Hinz |
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I'll second that! Mac is far better than Windows.
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On 3 Mar 2005 12:59:03 -0800, Ray wrote:
I'll second that! Mac is far better than Windows. Yes, that's another good example. Windows is very popular, but then again, many people get the common cold... |
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In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote: On 3 Mar 2005 12:59:03 -0800, Ray wrote: I'll second that! Mac is far better than Windows. Yes, that's another good example. Windows is very popular, but then again, many people get the common cold... There are more cockroaches than people on this planet. Superior numbers do not denote a higher life-form. |
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It was somewhere outside Barstow when Robatoy
wrote: There are more cockroaches than people on this planet. Superior numbers do not denote a higher life-form. aol Me too ! /aol |
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"Dave Hinz" wrote:
On 3 Mar 2005 12:33:28 -0800, foggytown wrote: Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? Because it doesn't cam out nearly as badly as the Phillips. It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. Well, Betamax was superior to VHS in image quality, just as Posi is better than Phillips for actually turning a screw. Popularity and quality have a relationship that is coincidental at best. Dave Hinz Hence the popularity of microsoft windows. -- San Diego Joe |
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It was somewhere outside Barstow when Dave Hinz
wrote: Because it doesn't cam out nearly as badly as the Phillips. And Phillips was itself an improvement on Reed, which had skinny slots and screwdriver bits that broke. |
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That would be "Reed & Prince".
Dave Andy Dingley wrote: It was somewhere outside Barstow when Dave Hinz wrote: Because it doesn't cam out nearly as badly as the Phillips. And Phillips was itself an improvement on Reed, which had skinny slots and screwdriver bits that broke. |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:38:37 +0000, Andy Dingley wrote:
It was somewhere outside Barstow when Dave Hinz wrote: Because it doesn't cam out nearly as badly as the Phillips. And Phillips was itself an improvement on Reed, which had skinny slots and screwdriver bits that broke. Reed & Prince maybe? Dave "Why on earth do I know this stuff?" Hinz |
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In article ,
Dave Hinz wrote: On 3 Mar 2005 12:33:28 -0800, foggytown wrote: Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? Because it doesn't cam out nearly as badly as the Phillips. It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. Well, Betamax was superior to VHS in image quality, just as Posi is better than Phillips for actually turning a screw. Popularity and quality have a relationship that is coincidental at best. Dave Hinz Macs and Window boxes. |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:18:45 -0500, Robatoy wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz wrote: Well, Betamax was superior to VHS in image quality, just as Posi is better than Phillips for actually turning a screw. Popularity and quality have a relationship that is coincidental at best. Macs and Window boxes. Yup, although that one tends to be awfully emotionally charged, and people with the inferior technology (Windows) usually don't know enough about the better one (Macs) to know any better. With screws that are obviously hard to use, vs. screws that don't suck at all, it's easier to be objective. Dave Hinz |
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"Dave Hinz" wrote Yup, although that one tends to be awfully emotionally charged, and people with the inferior technology (Windows) usually don't know enough about the better one (Macs) to know any better. With screws that are obviously hard to use, vs. screws that don't suck at all, it's easier to be objective. It is also much easier to be objective if you are the screwor as opposed to the screwee. |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On 3 Mar 2005 12:33:28 -0800, foggytown wrote: Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? "Because it doesn't cam out nearly as badly as the Phillips." One man's "bad" is another's "good". The popularity of the phillips head screw is their use in drywall. Try shooting those screws that don't cam out into some rock and see what happens to your efficiency. ray |
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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:53:57 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote:
In article , says... Dave "I'll never tape and mud drywall again. And this time I mean it." Hinz Another subject we agree on :-). Dang. This is getting scary. But you know, when there are people good at it, willing to work for...reasonable terms... (as in, I'll clean all the viruses and spyware off your Windows box if you tape and mud this room for me terms), it's just not gonna be me doing it. 'hate' is too gentle of a word. Dave |
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"foggytown" wrote in message oups.com... annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. Sorry FoggyT - you're on your own there. I'm a McFeely's Convert. |
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You mean Robertson screws I think. LOL
patrick conroy wrote: "foggytown" wrote in message oups.com... annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. Sorry FoggyT - you're on your own there. I'm a McFeely's Convert. -- Will Occasional Techno-geek |
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explanations for different screw types under Connector Techology.
http://www.hafeleonline.com/usa/support/faq.html Pozis are used extensively for automotive interiors, look closely next time you get in your car. -- Too much is not enough! rvojtash NOT THIS at comcast (dot) net --- |
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Sorry to come in from left field but I need to ask. What IS a "posi
screw"? We have in Canada a Robertson screw which I am told does not exist in the US. I think it is far superior to the Phillips. Is that what you are referring to? Richard Shelson foggytown wrote: Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. FoggyTown |
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Dorothy and Richard Shelson wrote:
Sorry to come in from left field but I need to ask. What IS a "posi screw"? We have in Canada a Robertson screw which I am told does not exist in the US. I think it is far superior to the Phillips. Is that what you are referring to? Pozidrive is another variation of a cross-slot head somewhat similar to a Phillips.. A Robertson certainly can be obtained in the US altho the "square-head" moniker is more common. There can be a slight difference in cam angle of various variations. |
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Thanks Duane. That helps.
Richard Duane Bozarth wrote: Dorothy and Richard Shelson wrote: Sorry to come in from left field but I need to ask. What IS a "posi screw"? We have in Canada a Robertson screw which I am told does not exist in the US. I think it is far superior to the Phillips. Is that what you are referring to? Pozidrive is another variation of a cross-slot head somewhat similar to a Phillips.. A Robertson certainly can be obtained in the US altho the "square-head" moniker is more common. There can be a slight difference in cam angle of various variations. |
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foggytown wrote: Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. FoggyTown On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:17:02 GMT, Dorothy and Richard Shelson wrote: Sorry to come in from left field but I need to ask. What IS a "posi screw"? We have in Canada a Robertson screw which I am told does not exist in the US. I think it is far superior to the Phillips. Is that what you are referring to? Richard Shelson nope. robertson (square drive) is available in the US. it's not even all that uncommon. pozi-drive is a system that looks almost just exactly like a phillips, but it isn't compatible. it was designed to *not* cam out when the screw seats, unlike phillips, which was designed *to* cam out when the screw seats.... |
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You were told wrong.
"Dorothy and Richard Shelson" wrote in message news:2ONVd.568004$6l.312596@pd7tw2no... We have in Canada a Robertson screw which I am told does not exist in the US. |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:17:02 GMT, Dorothy and Richard Shelson wrote:
Sorry to come in from left field but I need to ask. What IS a "posi screw"? Looks enough like a Phillips to confuse the unwary, but doesn't fit a Phillips bit very well at all. Works excellent with the right bits, though. We have in Canada a Robertson screw which I am told does not exist in the US. We call that "square drive screws" here, the only people I've ever seen call it the Robertson are Canadians (he was Canadian, I'd guess). I think it is far superior to the Phillips. Is that what you are referring to? Nope, it's an entirely different kind of screw, altogether. |
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Dave Hinz wrote: On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:17:02 GMT, Dorothy and Richard Shelson wrote: Sorry to come in from left field but I need to ask. What IS a "posi screw"? Looks enough like a Phillips to confuse the unwary, but doesn't fit a Phillips bit very well at all. Works excellent with the right bits, though. We have in Canada a Robertson screw which I am told does not exist in the US. We call that "square drive screws" here, the only people I've ever seen call it the Robertson are Canadians (he was Canadian, I'd guess). Robertson _invented_ em. Robertson is a *brand* name. Robertson gets _really_ upset if somebody refers to "Robertson Screws" that are not *manufactured* by Robertson. Robertson _is_ a Canadian Company. Hence 'similar' screws by other manufacturers are called "something else". You can get genuine Robertsons in the U.S., if you look in the right places, but they are significantly more expensive than "something else". |
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In article .com,
"foggytown" wrote: Why the hell was the posi screw invented when we had perfectly good Phillips to begin with? It isn't that easy to tell one from the other and when you use the wrong bit on the wrong screw head it is REALLY annoying. As far as I'm concerend, posi head screws can be consigned to the same pit as Betamax and 8 tracks. FoggyTown PosiDrive screws were designed for automatic-feed screwdriving robots. You can tell them from a Philips by noticing that there are small lines eminating from the centre of the screw-head at a 45 degree angle from the main slots. Robertson screws don't work in automated-feed machines because the driver-bit can (at 45 degrees where the bit refuses to enter the hole) jam the machine. McFeely makes great screws...good steel and they stick to the driver nicely. The guy who invented the slotted screw should be forced to listen to Celine Dion. 0¿0 ˜ Rob |
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Robatoy wrote:
The guy who invented the slotted screw should be forced to listen to Celine Dion. And Gordon Lightfoot. And Anne Murray. In one continuous sitting. Seriously though, the guy who invented the slotted screw was a genius considering the alternative of the day. It's the guys who continue to make them/force them on us, they should be the ones forced to listen to Celine, Gordon, Anne and (insert your fingers on a chalkboard celebrity singer here). UA100 |
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Unisaw A100 wrote:
And Anne Murray. She would make me want to bang my head against a spinning table saw blade. How anyone can listen to her and not kill themselves is beyond me. Barry |
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Unisaw A100 wrote:
Robatoy wrote: The guy who invented the slotted screw should be forced to listen to Celine Dion. And Gordon Lightfoot. And Anne Murray. In one continuous sitting. Cher. Seriously though, the guy who invented the slotted screw was a genius considering the alternative of the day. It's the guys who continue to make them/force them on us, It's kinda funny, actually. I haven't used any of those Roberson screws, so maybe, just maybe, they're actually different. I hate Phillips and Allen screws because they strip out too easily, and you have to turn them into slotted screws to get them out. Torx screws are a little better, but still, sometimes you have to turn them into slotted screws to get them out. Personally, therefore, I prefer slotted screws for many applications. Like any application where I might have to remove the screw some day. Or lag screws, even better, if I can use them. they should be the ones forced to listen to Celine, Gordon, Anne and (insert your fingers on a chalkboard celebrity singer here). Cher, Cher, Cher. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:23:59 -0500, Silvan wrote:
Unisaw A100 wrote: Robatoy wrote: The guy who invented the slotted screw should be forced to listen to Celine Dion. And Gordon Lightfoot. And Anne Murray. In one continuous sitting. Cher. Seriously though, the guy who invented the slotted screw was a genius considering the alternative of the day. It's the guys who continue to make them/force them on us, It's kinda funny, actually. I haven't used any of those Roberson screws, so maybe, just maybe, they're actually different. They really are. I used them for my deck (stainless in - gasp - composite deck boards), and the worked _very_ well. I hate Phillips and Allen screws because they strip out too easily, and you have to turn them into slotted screws to get them out. Torx screws are a little better, but still, sometimes you have to turn them into slotted screws to get them out. Wow. If you're screwing up Torx screws, you might be using one size too small of a bit. It'll fit, but it'll strip much easier. I don't think you _can_ strip a Torx screw with the right size bit. they should be the ones forced to listen to Celine, Gordon, Anne and (insert your fingers on a chalkboard celebrity singer here). Cher, Cher, Cher. What's that guy...Neville something, big honking mole on his face, and the vocal equivalent of "Kenny G"? |
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In article , Dave Hinz
wrote: What's that guy...Neville something, big honking mole on his face, and the vocal equivalent of "Kenny G"? Aaron Neville, one of the old Neville Brothers. Gerry |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
Wow. If you're screwing up Torx screws, you might be using one size too small of a bit. It'll fit, but it'll strip much easier. I don't think you _can_ strip a Torx screw with the right size bit. I did say "sometimes." The little pointy star shaped hole will turn into a useless round hole if the head is corroded enough. Think old car applications. I've mostly seen Torx screws on cars. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ |
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In article , Silvan wrote:
Personally, therefore, I prefer slotted screws for many applications. Like any application where I might have to remove the screw some day. If you ever need to remove the screw, the Robertson (square-drive) head is *far* easier to use than a slot. Or lag screws, even better, if I can use them. Yabbut... they're not very aesthetically pleasing. :-) -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time? |