Proposed Charter:

Detailed discussions of wood fence building. Emphasis on stupidity
like forgetting to account for post width/thicknesses when calculating
distances (three times), not securing your mason line such that it
slips down a fence post and not noticing until you've nailed-up half a
dozen slightly sloping boards, consistently missing your 2x4 rails -
saying "screw it!" and simply driving in extra nails, buying a new
blade for your newly-acquired blade before thoroughly checking the
run-out on the motor and thus discovering that the bearings are shot
and you really didn't need a new blade, working in the dark with
little to no light, trying to trim the bottom end off of a gate
because you don't want to take it off the hinges and creating more
work for yourself as you contort your body to trim the damn thing in
place, waiting until 45 minutes before you're scheduled to leave on
vacation before installing a threaded rod stiffener on your wooden
gate because you figured, "aw heck, how much can it sag in a couple of
days?" and it's sagging like a mothereffer, the joy of using an
underpowered cordless circular saw to attempt ripping 2x4s, the peace
and serenity of blowing-out the side of a narrow board while ripping
it by hand with an improperly-set but otherwise lovely hand saw.

*sigh*

Or, more simply:
Completing a section of fence and two modest garden gates on-time and
on-budget, with the help of an able assistant.

http://www.klownhammer.org/fencebuilding/

Humbly submitted,
O'Deen

What's left to discuss? I think you covered it all - except for purchasing
34 8' sections of stockade fence + 35 bags of Sacrete at the local home
center, then trying to get it all home in the Jetta. (Not me, I swear. Never
owned a Jetta.)

Come to think of it, I'd vote yes - just for the anecdotes.

"Patrick Olguin" wrote in message
m...
Proposed Charter:

Detailed discussions of wood fence building. Emphasis on stupidity
like forgetting to account for post width/thicknesses when calculating
distances (three times), not securing your mason line such that it
slips down a fence post and not noticing until you've nailed-up half a
dozen slightly sloping boards, consistently missing your 2x4 rails -
saying "screw it!" and simply driving in extra nails, buying a new
blade for your newly-acquired blade before thoroughly checking the
run-out on the motor and thus discovering that the bearings are shot
and you really didn't need a new blade, working in the dark with
little to no light, trying to trim the bottom end off of a gate
because you don't want to take it off the hinges and creating more
work for yourself as you contort your body to trim the damn thing in
place, waiting until 45 minutes before you're scheduled to leave on
vacation before installing a threaded rod stiffener on your wooden
gate because you figured, "aw heck, how much can it sag in a couple of
days?" and it's sagging like a mothereffer, the joy of using an
underpowered cordless circular saw to attempt ripping 2x4s, the peace
and serenity of blowing-out the side of a narrow board while ripping
it by hand with an improperly-set but otherwise lovely hand saw.

*sigh*

Or, more simply:
Completing a section of fence and two modest garden gates on-time and
on-budget, with the help of an able assistant.

http://www.klownhammer.org/fencebuilding/

Humbly submitted,
O'Deen

"Patrick Olguin" wrote in message
m...
Proposed Charter:

Detailed discussions of wood fence building. Emphasis on stupidity
like forgetting to account for post width/thicknesses when calculating
distances (three times), not securing your mason line such that it
slips down a fence post and not noticing until you've nailed-up half a
dozen slightly sloping boards, consistently missing your 2x4 rails -
saying "screw it!" and simply driving in extra nails, buying a new
blade for your newly-acquired blade before thoroughly checking the
run-out on the motor and thus discovering that the bearings are shot
and you really didn't need a new blade, working in the dark with
little to no light, trying to trim the bottom end off of a gate
because you don't want to take it off the hinges and creating more
work for yourself as you contort your body to trim the damn thing in
place, waiting until 45 minutes before you're scheduled to leave on
vacation before installing a threaded rod stiffener on your wooden
gate because you figured, "aw heck, how much can it sag in a couple of
days?" and it's sagging like a mothereffer, the joy of using an
underpowered cordless circular saw to attempt ripping 2x4s, the peace
and serenity of blowing-out the side of a narrow board while ripping
it by hand with an improperly-set but otherwise lovely hand saw.

*sigh*

Or, more simply:
Completing a section of fence and two modest garden gates on-time and
on-budget, with the help of an able assistant.

http://www.klownhammer.org/fencebuilding/

Humbly submitted,
O'Deen

Sounds like somebody had a bad day........

On 12 Oct 2004 12:51:08 -0700, (Patrick Olguin)
wrote:

Proposed Charter:

Detailed discussions of wood fence building. Emphasis on stupidity
like forgetting to account for post width/thicknesses when calculating
distances (three times), not securing your mason line such that it
slips down a fence post and not noticing until you've nailed-up half a
dozen slightly sloping boards, consistently missing your 2x4 rails -
saying "screw it!" and simply driving in extra nails, buying a new
blade for your newly-acquired blade before thoroughly checking the
run-out on the motor and thus discovering that the bearings are shot
and you really didn't need a new blade, working in the dark with
little to no light, trying to trim the bottom end off of a gate
because you don't want to take it off the hinges and creating more
work for yourself as you contort your body to trim the damn thing in
place, waiting until 45 minutes before you're scheduled to leave on
vacation before installing a threaded rod stiffener on your wooden
gate because you figured, "aw heck, how much can it sag in a couple of
days?" and it's sagging like a mothereffer, the joy of using an
underpowered cordless circular saw to attempt ripping 2x4s, the peace
and serenity of blowing-out the side of a narrow board while ripping
it by hand with an improperly-set but otherwise lovely hand saw.

*sigh*

Or, more simply:
Completing a section of fence and two modest garden gates on-time and
on-budget, with the help of an able assistant.

http://www.klownhammer.org/fencebuilding/

Humbly submitted,
O'Deen

Well, you must be a Republican, because if'n you was a Democrat you
would be a Liberal, by definition, and therefore you would embrace a
world without fences, as fences is an impediment to cross-cultural
cross-pollination, and that is where we gets our strength, as a
country of immigrants and other folks who came from different places,
and you would be more sensitive to the idea that there is other people
besides Democrats, and by that I mean, by definition, Liberals, who
would be fair-minded enough to encompass the full realm of Political
Thought, which would be intended to include those narrow minded
sonsabitches from the opposite side of what I was arguing about, who
don't believe in the concept of fair play and want to tear down all of
boundaries between between the classes, which we surely do not
acknowledge, being, as we are, Liberals; or as we may currently be
thought of as Conservatives, given the flow of History and the lack of
Classical Education in the schools that are called Public here, but
Private in the world from which we derive our Animus - Beyond this we
must investigate whether or not you own your own means of production
and thinking that you will say so gives me pause and I must think that
you may not be a Republican, as we have thought about them in our
first level of correspondence, but that you might be something new -
surely this is not possible - And I do not like it at all that you are
trying to sneak in another Political Thread into this Newsgroup that
soley devoted to the contemplation of all things WoodDorking - would
you like fries with that?

(and this is exactly what i have been talking about for three months)


(apologies to James Joyce)



Regards,
Tom.

"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:45:16 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:


Well, you must be a Republican, because if'n you was a Democrat you would
be a Liberal, by definition, and therefore you would embrace a world
without fences, as fences is an impediment to cross-cultural
cross-pollination, and that is where we gets our strength, as a country of
immigrants and other folks who came from different places, and you would
be more sensitive to the idea that there is other people besides
Democrats, and by that I mean, by definition, Liberals, who would be
fair-minded enough to encompass the full realm of Political Thought, which
would be intended to include those narrow minded sonsabitches from the
opposite side of what I was arguing about, who don't believe in the
concept of fair play and want to tear down all of boundaries between
between the classes, which we surely do not acknowledge, being, as we are,
Liberals; or as we may currently be thought of as Conservatives, given the
flow of History and the lack of Classical Education in the schools that
are called Public here, but Private in the world from which we derive our
Animus - Beyond this we must investigate whether or not you own your own
means of production and thinking that you will say so gives me pause and I
must think that you may not be a Republican, as we have thought about them
in our first level of correspondence, but that you might be something new
- surely this is not possible - And I do not like it at all that you are
trying to sneak in another Political Thread into this Newsgroup that soley
devoted to the contemplation of all things WoodDorking - would you like
fries with that?


You and Ike - the never ending sentences...

-Doug

--
"It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among
[my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between
political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person,
the hatred they bore to his political opinions." --Thomas Jefferson

"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message

You and Ike - the never ending sentences...

Ike Steinbeck ... ?

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www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/04/04

Lose the two-party mindset. Tom
Work at your leisure!

Tom responds:

Lose the two-party mindset.

Yup. Gotta get the Libertarians and Naderites in there.

Charlie Self
"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind
simultaneously, and accepting both of them." George Orwell

Emphasis on stupidity
like forgetting to account for post width/thicknesses when calculating
distances (three times), not securing your mason line such that it
slips down a fence post and not noticing until you've nailed-up half a
dozen slightly sloping boards, consistently missing your 2x4 rails -
saying "screw it!" and simply driving in extra nails,

snip of further accurate description of my job skills

I particularly enjoyed the picture of the Malamute in his native habitat -
under a palm tree. Somewhere, Jack London and Robert W. Service are having
a chuckle.

Tom Watson withdrew his putty knife and spackled:



Well, you must be a Republican, because if'n you was a Democrat you
would be a Liberal, by definition, and therefore you would embrace a
world without fences

Well, I are a registurd Demlocrat. While I'm concerned about
isolationism, jingoism and Ringoism (the condition whereby a
rock-n-roll fan is unaware of the fifth Beatle), I believe a good
fence makes for good neighbors mostly on account of it compells me to
be less of a lazy ass and ackshully go 'round to their front door if'n
I want to axe them if they'd like to come out to our backyard for some
chips/salsa (pronounced sahl-sah, not sahl-zuh) and varied
refreshments - the flammability of those refreshments increasing as
the weekend approaches. I also have a shop dawg that is part wolf and
therefore is wont to stay put; the pop-psychologists of the day might
say she has some boundary issues in that she has none, plus it's good
for a dog to know where their home is and it lessens the chances of
them getting hit by a car (dog's amazingly smart in some arenas and
just plain dumb as a box of hair when it comes to calculating
automobile/canine vectors, intersections 'n ****) or eating some
garbage (dawg's can have pretty touchy stomachs and you wouldn't
believe the mess a dog with diarrhea can cause or maybe you can and
you just don't want to think about it) and so therefore a fence and
the accompanying life-building experience.

What went right in the process was:
- Scribing a line and then taking about 1/4" off of a 3' two-buh-four
with a #40 (that'd be a scrub plane, Jeff) and a 1950's era Stanley
jack plane (type 19 #5, Keeter) in just a couple minutes - the side
benefit being some excellent kindling for our cheapy portable outdoor
firepit.

- Despite oodles of run-out, getting some good use out of the
newly-acquired DeWalt RAS, including developing a healthy respect and
careful operating routine for said machine.

- Taking advantage of my mixed dominance (left-eyed, right handed) and
hammering some crucial nails left-handed without much trouble or drama
(a necessity when part of the workpiece is your house and the
alternative is to hang upside down while hammering).

- Watching the cats nimbly scale the 42" fence, while it easily turned
away the neighborhood skunks.

- Installing two garden gates that swung easily with no gaps.

- Successfully straightening-out a HSS drill bit just enough to make
that last hole in some 1/8" steel.

- Discovering the speed and utility of "Tapcons," and that drilling
small holes in concrete/stucco with a 1/2" hammer drill is no big deal
at all.

- Using a Millers Falls Parsons brace (the bosso one with the red
permaloid handles) to drive stubborn screws with authority
unimaginable with a cordless drill/driver.

- Smacking my thumb twice and not crying either time... especially the
second time.

- Getting only one small, easily removed redwood splinter.

- The smile on SWIATAABOC's face as our shop dawg romped around the
yard for the first time (the smile on the dawg's face wasn't bad
either).

- Putting the tools away, psyching up for the next project.

- Hitting reload on JibJab all day.

Humbly Submitted,
O'Deen

On 13 Oct 2004 10:10:32 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
calmly ranted:

Tom responds:

Lose the two-party mindset.

Yup. Gotta get the Libertarians and Naderites in there.

Yabbut the media didn't even give my candidate, Michael Badnarik,
recognition when he and Cobb (Green Party) got -arrested- last
Friday while attempting to serve the debate committee papers to
force them into letting them into the debates.

The Shrub has it FIXED and blacked out the media because of the
fear that all of us independent voters will be tossing all those
assholes and congresscritters out on their EARS.

I'm losing more and more faith in the American government and
have now lost -all- faith in the media. THAT ****es me off.


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Patrick Olguin wrote:

[arbitrary snip just so I can snipe]

What went right in the process was:
- Scribing a line and then taking about 1/4" off of a 3' two-buh-four
with a #40 (that'd be a scrub plane, Jeff) and a 1950's era Stanley
jack plane (type 19 #5, Keeter) in just a couple minutes - the side
benefit being some excellent kindling for our cheapy portable outdoor
firepit.

And exactly *why* do you have a firepit in LoCal? Do y'all feel the
need to huddle around a blazing fire whenever the temp drops below 75
degrees?

[another snip]

- Hitting reload on JibJab all day.

Priceless ...


Chuck Vance

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:08:01 -0500, Conan the Librarian
calmly ranted:

Patrick Olguin wrote:

[arbitrary snip just so I can snipe]

What went right in the process was:
- Scribing a line and then taking about 1/4" off of a 3' two-buh-four
with a #40 (that'd be a scrub plane, Jeff) and a 1950's era Stanley
jack plane (type 19 #5, Keeter) in just a couple minutes - the side
benefit being some excellent kindling for our cheapy portable outdoor
firepit.

And exactly *why* do you have a firepit in LoCal? Do y'all feel the
need to huddle around a blazing fire whenever the temp drops below 75
degrees?

You'd have to have lived there to understand, Chuckrateez.
But the temp is 65, not 75. And you'll find fires at the
beach no matter what the temp is. Something about the gods
of fire, sand, water, and virgins, y'know?


- Hitting reload on JibJab all day.

Priceless ...

Indeed. You couldn't PAY me enough...


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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:24:56 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

I'm losing more and more faith in the American government and
have now lost -all- faith in the media. THAT ****es me off.

I just learned about http://www.indymedia.org/ . A little flaky, but they
cover what the entertainment industry won't.

--
"Keep your ass behind you"

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:08:01 -0500, Conan the Librarian
calmly ranted:

And exactly *why* do you have a firepit in LoCal? Do y'all feel the
need to huddle around a blazing fire whenever the temp drops below 75
degrees?

You'd have to have lived there to understand, Chuckrateez.
But the temp is 65, not 75.

OK, so it's 65. Do they feel the need to huddle around a firepit
whenever the temp reaches 65?

And you'll find fires at the
beach no matter what the temp is. Something about the gods
of fire, sand, water, and virgins, y'know?

I know they have their share of fires and floods in LoCal, but do
they really have virgins?

- Hitting reload on JibJab all day.

Priceless ...

Indeed. You couldn't PAY me enough...

Hmmm ... the two JibJab bits I've seen are pretty funny.


Chuck Vance

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:50:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

You'd have to have lived there to understand, Chuckrateez.
But the temp is 65, not 75. And you'll find fires at the
beach no matter what the temp is. Something about the gods
of fire, sand, water, and virgins, y'know?

Virgins? Y'all got those still? My uncle went to the Virgin Islands
several years ago and returned to report that he couldn't find any.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:05:00 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
calmly ranted:

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:24:56 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

I'm losing more and more faith in the American government and
have now lost -all- faith in the media. THAT ****es me off.

I just learned about http://www.indymedia.org/ . A little flaky, but they
cover what the entertainment industry won't.

I'm surprised that they have no search engine on the site.
You see what they want you to see and nothing more. (I tried
the media archive and it brought up the main page contents as
Page 63 of 63 with an ability to jump to one of the other 62
pages. There was no way to do a keyword search. Strange.)


-
Yea, though I walk through the valley of Minwax, I shall stain no Cherry.
http://diversify.com

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:11:56 -0500, Conan the Librarian
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:08:01 -0500, Conan the Librarian
calmly ranted:

And exactly *why* do you have a firepit in LoCal? Do y'all feel the
need to huddle around a blazing fire whenever the temp drops below 75
degrees?

You'd have to have lived there to understand, Chuckrateez.
But the temp is 65, not 75.

OK, so it's 65. Do they feel the need to huddle around a firepit
whenever the temp reaches 65?

And you'll find fires at the
beach no matter what the temp is. Something about the gods
of fire, sand, water, and virgins, y'know?

I know they have their share of fires and floods in LoCal, but do
they really have virgins?

not since O'Deen got there....



- Hitting reload on JibJab all day.

Priceless ...

Indeed. You couldn't PAY me enough...

Hmmm ... the two JibJab bits I've seen are pretty funny.


Chuck Vance

(Patrick Olguin) wrote in message om...
Tom Watson withdrew his putty knife and spackled:



Well, you must be a Republican, because if'n you was a Democrat you
would be a Liberal, by definition, and therefore you would embrace a
world without fences

Well, I are a registurd Demlocrat. While I'm concerned about
isolationism, jingoism and Ringoism (the condition whereby a
rock-n-roll fan is unaware of the fifth Beatle),

I thought that was Bestiality. (Only old Beatle fans will get that.)

Dick "old and in the way" Durbin

Tue, Oct 12, 2004, 12:51pm (EDT-3)
(Patrick=A0Olguin)
Proposed Charter:
Detailed discussions of wood fence building. snip

Me and the Woodworking Gods are all for it. But, we have one
question.

Who's the ugly dood, and why's he standing on a table?

LMAO



JOAT
Flush the Johns.
- seen on a bumper sticker

On 14 Oct 2004 12:27:48 -0700, Dick Durbin wrote:
(Patrick Olguin) wrote in message om...

Well, I are a registurd Demlocrat. While I'm concerned about
isolationism, jingoism and Ringoism (the condition whereby a
rock-n-roll fan is unaware of the fifth Beatle),

I thought that was Bestiality. (Only old Beatle fans will get that.)

Stu ought to be ashamed of ourself. You should be Shotton, and shouldn't have
Preston with this line of jokes. Irons should be Clapton your wrists.

I'll stop now.

On 14 Oct 2004 12:27:48 -0700, (Dick Durbin) wrote:



I thought that was Bestiality. (Only old Beatle fans will get that.)

Heard an interview with Pete a few years back. He says he's not bitter
at all.

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:44:15 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

You see what they want you to see and nothing more.

Kinda like the regular media..."so it goes."

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:11:56 -0500, Conan the Librarian
calmly ranted:

OK, so it's 65. Do they feel the need to huddle around a firepit
whenever the temp reaches 65?

That's COLD!


And you'll find fires at the
beach no matter what the temp is. Something about the gods
of fire, sand, water, and virgins, y'know?

I know they have their share of fires and floods in LoCal, but do
they really have virgins?

At age 7 and younger? Sure. But you get into the older gals and
you won't find one after a night at the beach around a fire.


- Hitting reload on JibJab all day.

Priceless ...

Indeed. You couldn't PAY me enough...

Hmmm ... the two JibJab bits I've seen are pretty funny.

Maybe once, but _every_day_, and reloading multiple times?
C'mon. It caused me to find another bug with NN 7. NN7 reloads
the Atom films commercials and continually plays them, never
loading the movie.

Hey, have you seen my film on Atom yet? A friend of mine just
told me about it today.
http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/conte...arry&preplay=1

I dropped another 256MB of memory and a 128MB vid card in the
old box today and it's back to screaming. That NAV 2005 just
sucked the life right out of it. $139.98 total, plus half an
hour of my time. Well worth it.



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Yea, though I walk through the valley of Minwax, I shall stain no Cherry.
http://diversify.com

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:21:20 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:11:56 -0500, Conan the Librarian
calmly ranted:

I know they have their share of fires and floods in LoCal, but do
they really have virgins?

At age 7 and younger? Sure. But you get into the older gals and
you won't find one after a night at the beach around a fire.

Anagrams for virgin:

Virgin
Grin iv
Grin vi
Ring iv
Ring vi



Regards,
Tom.

"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

In article ,
Conan the Librarian wrote:

OK, so it's 65. Do they feel the need to huddle around a firepit
whenever the temp reaches 65?

Reaches 65? Otterbe, "plummets to 65."

--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
____

"To know the world intimately is the beginning of caring."
-- Ann Hayman Zwinger

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:11:56 -0500, Conan the Librarian
calmly ranted:

OK, so it's 65. Do they feel the need to huddle around a firepit
whenever the temp reaches 65?

That's COLD!

And that's why you moved to Oreygun?

I know they have their share of fires and floods in LoCal, but do
they really have virgins?


At age 7 and younger? Sure. But you get into the older gals and
you won't find one after a night at the beach around a fire.

OK, so you hang out on the beach with chicks who think it's bitterly
cold at 65 degrees, so you build a fire and offer to help keep them warm.

And that's why you moved to Oreygun?

Hmmm ... the two JibJab bits I've seen are pretty funny.

Maybe once, but _every_day_, and reloading multiple times?

OK, I give. I've seen them both twice and that's probably enough.

C'mon. It caused me to find another bug with NN 7. NN7 reloads
the Atom films commercials and continually plays them, never
loading the movie.

Hey, have you seen my film on Atom yet? A friend of mine just
told me about it today.
http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/conte...arry&preplay=1

Congrats. But I was worried about you for a second there. It
looked like you had fallen off the wagon. Good thing it was just the
upper deck. ;-)


Chuck Vance

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:19:48 -0500, Conan the Librarian
calmly ranted:

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:11:56 -0500, Conan the Librarian
calmly ranted:

OK, so it's 65. Do they feel the need to huddle around a firepit
whenever the temp reaches 65?

That's COLD!

And that's why you moved to Oreygun?

I have a nice new (96% efficient, PVC chimney tube) furnace!
I'm starting to grow the webs on my feet and adapting to the
chillier climes, thanks, but it's not so different up here.
(Well, 'ceptin the winters, but I bought a REAL jacket, hat
and gloves for the brief times I'm outdoors then.)


OK, so you hang out on the beach with chicks who think it's bitterly
cold at 65 degrees, so you build a fire and offer to help keep them warm.

Right.


And that's why you moved to Oreygun?

Well, I wasn't gettin' any anyway, so what the heck?


Hey, have you seen my film on Atom yet? A friend of mine just
told me about it today.
http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/conte...arry&preplay=1

Congrats. But I was worried about you for a second there. It
looked like you had fallen off the wagon. Good thing it was just the
upper deck. ;-)

Verily!


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