With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

I have had repairing some of the teak on my sister's sailboat put on my
list. It looks pretty straight forward, the biggest obstacle will be the
distance from the work (she is in Jacksonville, I am in West Virginia). My
dad was down there this past weekend and was supposed to get some very
detailed measurements, tracings, drawing, pictures, etc, but he and my
mother got chased out by Jeanne before he could, (go figger).

Hope everyone on here faired ok.

Steve P.

Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

My to do list is frozen in time since aug 13. It has only got longer.

I live in Polk County. Intersection of three of four storms.

What a mess. This last one was the worse. At least it was in our area.
My next door neighbor has power but I do not. I am sending this by the
grace of a long extension cord. At least it keeps the freezer and
refridgerator cold. No power for hot water and cooking.

Trees took my back fence out but the house and shop are secrue. I did
have flooding in the shop. As the water receeded the shop drained. I
have everything in pads or rollers so little damage.

I was laid off back in June and the last two months have made it hard
to find work in my field. But that has it up side. I am at home to
take care of the mess. I was expecting the layoff so we were
prepared. The downside. I have been taking care of the mess for 7
weeks and no time for woodworking. I was going to replace the kitchen
cabinets during the layoff.

Oh well








On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:59:49 GMT, "StevenP"
wrote:

With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

I have had repairing some of the teak on my sister's sailboat put on my
list. It looks pretty straight forward, the biggest obstacle will be the
distance from the work (she is in Jacksonville, I am in West Virginia). My
dad was down there this past weekend and was supposed to get some very
detailed measurements, tracings, drawing, pictures, etc, but he and my
mother got chased out by Jeanne before he could, (go figger).

Hope everyone on here faired ok.

Steve P.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:49:58 GMT, rllipham
wrote:

I live in Polk County. Intersection of three of four storms.

Whereabouts? I have a cousin in Lakeland. I'm in Ormond Beach, over on
the east coast.

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:24:24 +0100, LRod
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:49:58 GMT, rllipham
wrote:

I live in Polk County. Intersection of three of four storms.

Whereabouts? I have a cousin in Lakeland. I'm in Ormond Beach, over on
the east coast.

I live in West Lakeland. I have lived in Lakeland since 1975. Winter
Haven prior to that to 1958 (moved in 1st grade)

"rllipham" wrote in message

prepared. The downside. I have been taking care of the mess for 7
weeks and no time for woodworking. I was going to replace the kitchen
cabinets during the layoff.

Oh well

My family's thoughts and prayers are with you. We lost our *home* (man,
those four little letters carry one hell of a connotation when it's gone!),
and most of the "stuff" in it, in Allison in 01, so I can appreciate
somewhat how you feel. Things will never be the same, but in many way's
they're better, and the big thing was that no one in our family was hurt.

My hat's off to you for your attitude ... hang in there. Its a tough thing
to deal with, but with family pulling together, the sun will still be
shining on the other side.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 7/10/04

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:59:49 GMT, "StevenP"
wrote:

With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

Hope everyone on here faired ok.

I'm in Ormond Beach, so we've gotten the better part of three of the
storms, too. We've fared okay. With Charley I had three tree canopies
from a neighbor's trees on my roof. Scored a new chain saw for that
and got it cleared off in a couple of days. Had a driveway-to-driveway
wall of brush over six feet high. Power was out 65 hours.

Frances produced 24 trash bags of small debris and about two or three
cubic yards of larger debris but no damage. Power was out 49 hours.

The area was so cleaned out by those two that we have virtually
nothing to do after Jeanne. Still the power was out for 36 hours this
time.

In my particular location the peak winds seemed about the same in all
three. I think the eye of Charley came over us, but it was fairly
disorganized by the time it got here. It also went through quickly. I
don't think we had strong winds for more than six or seven hours.

Frances in particularly, but Jeanne, too, just blew and blew and blew.
I've never been in a storm that kept the winds up so long. In the case
of Frances, it was because it moved so slowly. In the case of Jeanne
it was because it came through (we were on the north side of it) and
then somewhere between Orlando and Tampa apparently started a sweep to
the north, sort of pivoting around equidistantly from us. Consequently
you could say we got it coming and going.

All's well now, though. But I've had about enough for this year.

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

LRod wrote:
I'm in Ormond Beach, so we've gotten the better part of three of the
storms, too. We've fared okay. With Charley I had three tree canopies
from a neighbor's trees on my roof. Scored a new chain saw for that
and got it cleared off in a couple of days. Had a driveway-to-driveway
wall of brush over six feet high. Power was out 65 hours.

Frances produced 24 trash bags of small debris and about two or three
cubic yards of larger debris but no damage. Power was out 49 hours.

The area was so cleaned out by those two that we have virtually
nothing to do after Jeanne. Still the power was out for 36 hours this
time.
....
All's well now, though. But I've had about enough for this year.
LRod
http://www.woodbutcher.net

We were very lucky here too. I'm halfway between Gainesville and
Ocala, and had lots & lots of wind damage taking out lots of medium
sized trees and ripping out 1/3 of a fence line on the horse pasture.
Luckily we had no structural damage, but have taken more than 16
truckloads of large debris to the road for pickup. Spent many hours
with a pair of chainsaws.
A property near mine (roughly 1/3 mile down the road) has a lake in
their backyard that covers the top of their 4-board horse fence and
is within 16" of the windows on their barn. I'd estimate that they'll
have a lake for 6 months of more!
And, the waters are still rising.

No more this year, please!

Gary

With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

SNIP

Yeah, I lost my boat (which I had just purchased 3 weeks before) when it broke
from the marina dock on the Allegheny River and ended up 80 miles (and 4 locks
& dams) down the Ohio due to the floods from Ivan. Also got to rip out the
basement gameroom carpet (due to flooding) and will be deciding how to replace
it. All in all, though I got off VERY light compared to lots of folks around
here who lost their homes and businesses to the floods.

Dave Hall

In article , StevenP
wrote:

With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

I have had repairing some of the teak on my sister's sailboat put on my
list. It looks pretty straight forward, the biggest obstacle will be the
distance from the work (she is in Jacksonville, I am in West Virginia). My
dad was down there this past weekend and was supposed to get some very
detailed measurements, tracings, drawing, pictures, etc, but he and my
mother got chased out by Jeanne before he could, (go figger).

Hope everyone on here faired ok.

Steve P.


I've got to go to Orlando next week on business. I'm hoping for the
Hurricane bye-week!
Allen

"StevenP" wrote in message
...
With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

-----------------
I'm glad to read in the posts received so far that none here were injured.
But I cannot help but wonder why Americans who face the extremes of climatic
maelstroms don't simply adjust to suit.

Every year we see pictures of wrecked timber frame houses and scattered
trailer parks, so why have them? America is well capable of superb design
and it's a mystery to me why you rebuild again and again what has already
been wrecked.

A dome shape must surely provide more protection even if you insist on
making it out of wood.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:42:36 +0100, "gandalf"
wrote:


"StevenP" wrote in message
...
With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

-----------------
I'm glad to read in the posts received so far that none here were injured.
But I cannot help but wonder why Americans who face the extremes of climatic
maelstroms don't simply adjust to suit.

Every year we see pictures of wrecked timber frame houses and scattered
trailer parks, so why have them? America is well capable of superb design
and it's a mystery to me why you rebuild again and again what has already
been wrecked.

A dome shape must surely provide more protection even if you insist on
making it out of wood.


The building codes in FL have been tightened considerably, but this
has been a rather modern change. There are (or were) lots of stick
framed houses in the area that were built before the code updates that
came after Andrew.
================================================== =========================
Chris

The building codes in FL have been tightened considerably

There are plenty of old houses here that are very close to the current code,
you just have to know what to look for. The CBS house with a poured tie beam
and straps over the trusses is not that new.
Shutters used to be more common than they are today. Lots of people actually
removed the shutters because they looked "dated"
My house was built in 1963 and about the only thing I would expect to lose is
the covering on my roof and that would be an eye wall hit.

A dome shape must surely provide more protection even if you insist on
making it out of wood.

Good Evening to all, I live in Pensacola, Fl., where Ivan came thru, there is a
stucco dome house on the Pensacola Beach, built to Hurricane code since Opal
and Erin came thru here 8 or 9 years ago, the owner and news reporters stayed
in during the Storm, not much damage to the house, but everyone who stayed said
they'd never do it again.

Be safe,
JaNeille

I think most of the structures built to recent standards did pretty well.
seems the UK did not fare that well in the recent flooding incident. I was
there about 15 years ago when they have gale force winds that not only
felled thousands of trees but even blew brick walls over .

Seems it is difficult to imagine many structures standing up to 120 MPH
winds ....

Watching on TV my hearts goes out to those in Florida I wish I was able to
help....mjh


"gandalf" wrote in message
...

"StevenP" wrote in message
...
With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

-----------------
I'm glad to read in the posts received so far that none here were injured.
But I cannot help but wonder why Americans who face the extremes of
climatic maelstroms don't simply adjust to suit.

Every year we see pictures of wrecked timber frame houses and scattered
trailer parks, so why have them? America is well capable of superb design
and it's a mystery to me why you rebuild again and again what has already
been wrecked.

A dome shape must surely provide more protection even if you insist on
making it out of wood.

"Mike Hide" wrote in message
news:fls6d.276158$mD.146263@attbi_s02...
I think most of the structures built to recent standards did pretty well.
seems the UK did not fare that well in the recent flooding incident.
-------------
Flooding is getting to be a real problem here. It seems to be a combination
of bad planning (building on flood plains) and more extreme weather. It
seems this is likely to continue to get worse and is making many homes
uninsurable which will then make them uninhabitable. Floods that may have
been expected every 40 years or so now come along every other year or two.
So we will have to adapt. (too late for those living in the flood plains,
they will have to push for compensation from the fools who permitted the
buildings)

I was there about 15 years ago when they have gale force winds that not
only felled thousands of trees but even blew brick walls over .
-------------
That may have been the infamous hurricane of 1987. Wasn't expected and
caused considerable damage. And it barely rated as a category 1.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2533219.stm

We rarely get such winds but most structures survive, with some damage
perhaps. Trees don't seem to be able to withstand it though and they get
blown down all too easy.


Seems it is difficult to imagine many structures standing up to 120 MPH
winds ....
--------------
That's true with conventionlal design, but if such winds were to become a
regular occurance we would have to adapt and design something that would
survive. Which is my point. Parts of the US are prone to hurricanes and
tornadoes but every year the pattern is the same. It must be possible to
built a practically priced structure that offers less resistance to the wind
and still functions well as a home.

It is reasonable to assume that weather patterns are in general are changing
and become more severe more often. That is certainly the case here. Our
winters are now mild and very very wet. Our summers seem to last about 3
days (but then I suppose the Romans could have said that). If the gulf
stream stops we'll all freeze just like the Canadians or Scandinavians and
we are not geared up for it. We will all have to adapt to the weather.

"Mike Hide" wrote in message
news:fls6d.276158$mD.146263@attbi_s02...
I think most of the structures built to recent standards did pretty well.
seems the UK did not fare that well in the recent flooding incident.
-------------
Flooding is getting to be a real problem here. It seems to be a
combination of bad planning (building on flood plains) and more extreme
weather. It seems this is likely to continue to get worse and is making
many homes uninsurable which will then make them uninhabitable. Floods
that may have been expected every 40 years or so now come along every
other year or two. So we will have to adapt. (too late for those living in
the flood plains, they will have to push for compensation from the fools
who permitted the buildings)

I was there about 15 years ago when they have gale force winds that not
only felled thousands of trees but even blew brick walls over .
-------------
That may have been the infamous hurricane of 1987. Wasn't expected and
caused considerable damage. And it barely rated as a category 1.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2533219.stm

We rarely get such winds but most structures survive, with some damage
perhaps. Trees don't seem to be able to withstand it though and they get
blown down all too easy.


Seems it is difficult to imagine many structures standing up to 120 MPH
winds ....
--------------
That's true with conventionlal design, but if such winds were to become a
regular occurance we would have to adapt and design something that would
survive. Which is my point. Parts of the US are prone to hurricanes and
tornadoes but every year the pattern is the same. It must be possible to
built a practically priced structure that offers less resistance to the
wind and still functions well as a home.

It is reasonable to assume that weather patterns are in general are
changing and become more severe more often. That is certainly the case
here. Our winters are now mild and very very wet. Our summers seem to last
about 3 days (but then I suppose the Romans could have said that). If the
gulf stream stops we'll all freeze just like the Canadians or
Scandinavians and we are not geared up for it. We will all have to adapt
to the weather.
From what I hear hurricane intensity levels are cyclical, and from
predictions the worst is not even over for this season. We hear long ago how
much more intense winters and summers were here in the US and in the UK . I
was a kid in the UK during the winter of 1947 when there were 30 foot drifts
up in Derbyshire where whole passenger trains were buried. I was also around
when Linton and Lindmouth were flooded and that was about 40 or so years ago
in a similar location it seems . As far as that is concerned perhaps the
problem is not man made but purely geographical.

As I mentioned most modern building standards In Florida result in
structures which will withstand hurricane force winds . Building structures
which will withstand tornadic winds which are far more severe seems unlikely
unless they are below ground level....mjh

SNIP
Flooding is getting to be a real problem here. It seems to be a combination
of bad planning (building on flood plains) and more extreme weather. It
seems this is likely to continue to get worse and is making many homes
uninsurable which will then make them uninhabitable. Floods that may have
been expected every 40 years or so now come along every other year or two.
So we will have to adapt. (too late for those living in the flood plains,
they will have to push for compensation from the fools who permitted the
buildings)
SNIP

I really do not understand that statement. If you want to build your
house on a floodplain and some government flunky doesn't say "you are
not allowed to do that" then the government should become responsible
for your stupidity (or your desire to live in a floodplain)? On the
one hand, I do not think it is the Government's business to tell me
whether or not I can build my house on the floodplain, but on the
other, if I do it should be my problem. It would be nice for them to
let me know that it is a floodplain though. I MIGHT even be willing to
accept some reasonable building code stipulations such as flow-through
designs for the first floor, etc. But "permitting" me to use my own
land to build my own home......


Dave Hall

Dave Hall

"David Hall" wrote in message
om...
SNIP
(more snippage)
Floods that may have
been expected every 40 years or so now come along every other year or
two.
So we will have to adapt. (too late for those living in the flood plains,
they will have to push for compensation from the fools who permitted the
buildings)
SNIP

I really do not understand that statement. If you want to build your
house on a floodplain and some government flunky doesn't say "you are
not allowed to do that" then the government should become responsible
for your stupidity (or your desire to live in a floodplain)?
--------------
It's easy to understand once you realise that our approach is the exact
opposite of what you propose. Over here you build nothing without planning
permission. Nothing. So the local authority responsible for handing out
planning permission is also responsible for ensuring that your proposed
property is not on a toxic waste dump, swamp, grumbling volcano, sink hole,
flood plain etc.

On the
one hand, I do not think it is the Government's business to tell me
whether or not I can build my house on the floodplain, but on the
other, if I do it should be my problem.
----------------
Realistically though most of us buy existing or new development homes. So it
is a role of government to protect potential buyers from charlaten
developers that would build on cheap dodgy land that is a risk to life, limb
and wealth. If you build here without permission the local authority will
knock it down. Even with permission if you build it a couple feet away from
where it should be built they'll knock it down.

It would be nice for them to
let me know that it is a floodplain though. I MIGHT even be willing to
accept some reasonable building code stipulations such as flow-through
designs for the first floor, etc. But "permitting" me to use my own
land to build my own home......
-------------
There simply isn't the space to humour the pioneering spirit that you
espouse.

On 29 Sep 2004 12:51:32 -0700, (David Hall)
wrote:

SNIP
Flooding is getting to be a real problem here. It seems to be a combination
of bad planning (building on flood plains) and more extreme weather. It
seems this is likely to continue to get worse and is making many homes
uninsurable which will then make them uninhabitable. Floods that may have
been expected every 40 years or so now come along every other year or two.
So we will have to adapt. (too late for those living in the flood plains,
they will have to push for compensation from the fools who permitted the
buildings)
SNIP

I really do not understand that statement. If you want to build your
house on a floodplain and some government flunky doesn't say "you are
not allowed to do that" then the government should become responsible
for your stupidity (or your desire to live in a floodplain)? On the
one hand, I do not think it is the Government's business to tell me
whether or not I can build my house on the floodplain, but on the
other, if I do it should be my problem. It would be nice for them to
let me know that it is a floodplain though. I MIGHT even be willing to
accept some reasonable building code stipulations such as flow-through
designs for the first floor, etc. But "permitting" me to use my own
land to build my own home......


Dave Hall

individuals building on their own land really aren't the problem. it's
large scale commercial developers buying up what should probably be
farmland or wilds and plonking down thousands of units and expecting
fema to fix it when it all washes away that is the problem....

Now if this doesn't count as bizarre I don't know what does. We have been
getting rain from the remnants of Jeanne, and a few hours after I posted
this question, my niece came up from the basement and announced that we had
a swimming pool down there. Sure enough I went down and 3/4 of the basement
had a few inches of water in it. The weird thing was there was a
hissing/bubbling noise all around me. I checked for a leaking main, but it
was pretty apparent that the water had welled up from the sump. I can only
guess that the noise was either water flowing along the outside of the
foundation, or it was air and/or water being pushed through normal
settlement cracks in the foundation. I could also hear the sump making that
classic stalled electric motor hum, so I quickly opened up the well and
pulled the sump out. What I found was a load of construction debris (the
house is only a year old this month) jamming the impellers. I cleared that
mess and quickly got it back in the well and got it pumping. A friend, my
daughter, and my father in law all helped with the clean up. Fortunately I
have two wet vacs and they did a good job of cleaning up. I'm just glad
that I had decided to take this week off from work so I was here to handle
it.

Steve P.

"StevenP" wrote in message
...
With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?

I have had repairing some of the teak on my sister's sailboat put on my
list. It looks pretty straight forward, the biggest obstacle will be the
distance from the work (she is in Jacksonville, I am in West Virginia).
My
dad was down there this past weekend and was supposed to get some very
detailed measurements, tracings, drawing, pictures, etc, but he and my
mother got chased out by Jeanne before he could, (go figger).

Hope everyone on here faired ok.

Steve P.

Here in Englewood on the west coast of Florida, we have been more than
lucky... times 4.
Charley passed just to the south of us. Frances to the north as did Jeanne
and Ivan.
Nothing more to our place than a few small branches and a ton of pine
needles.
In helping the Red Cross in Punta Gorda I saw the devastation those poor
souls went through, but my heart is made heaviest by the plight of the many
migrant workers in the Arcadia area that are unlikely to receive the same
level of assistance that so many others have.
It is paradoxical that times like these bring out both the best and worst of
humanity... Many shoulder to shoulder working many hours to assist those in
need.
And unfortunately the others, ripping people off with generators at three
times the going rate, stealing anything they can or selling stuff provided
by FEMA or the Red Cross for free.
I read of one household that wound up getting his entire roof tarped due to
a 4X4 size hole, causing many small leaks from the fasteners and FEMA
footing the bill which would have covered the cost of a complete re-roofing
(and the insurance people only want to cover the cost of fixing the original
hole!).
Some people need to be dragged out and shot!
Tom
Maker of Fine Sawdust and Thin Shavings



"StevenP" wrote in message
...
With all of the hurricanes that have come roaring through the southeast I
was wondering if anyone on here has been damaged? I certainly hope not.
Has anyone had their to-do list altered as a result?
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