I'm going to be helping out on a fair sized roofing job, and I'd really
rather use a nailer than doing it "the old way".

Does anyone make a coil framing nailer than also shoots roofing nails? Or
am I just asking for trouble?

TIA,
tms

There are coil framing nailers and there are roofing nailers.
Most roofing nailers are coil-fed, however.
PC, Senco, Bostich and most others make coil roofing nailers.
Renting/borrowing one one for a day would be more cost effective.
They are not called framing nailers since the nosepiece has to slip
over the larger head of a roofing nail. It's split into two halves to
perform that function.


On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:05:30 -0400, "Tim Schubach"
wrote:

I'm going to be helping out on a fair sized roofing job, and I'd really
rather use a nailer than doing it "the old way".

Does anyone make a coil framing nailer than also shoots roofing nails? Or
am I just asking for trouble?

TIA,
tms

Nope.

"Tim Schubach" wrote in message
...
I'm going to be helping out on a fair sized roofing job, and I'd really
rather use a nailer than doing it "the old way".

Does anyone make a coil framing nailer than also shoots roofing nails? Or
am I just asking for trouble?

TIA,
tms

"Tim Schubach" wrote in message

Does anyone make a coil framing nailer than also shoots roofing nails? Or
am I just asking for trouble?

Nope. Similar technology, but a different end result. Bostitch was a
customer of mine and I worked with them on a roofing nailer project. There
is a quite a bit of sophistication build into the roofing nail gun to set
the nails perfectly every shot.

If I was doing a roof, I'd either rent one or buy one and sell it on eBay
when I was done. You won't catch me doing it the old way. Matter of fact,
you won't catch me doing a roof.
Ed

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
:


snip
You won't catch me doing it the old way.
Matter of fact, you won't catch me doing a roof.
Ed

See, that's exactly my problem. There's no one to catch me. ;-)

Patriarch

patriarch said:

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
m:


snip
You won't catch me doing it the old way.
Matter of fact, you won't catch me doing a roof.
Ed

See, that's exactly my problem. There's no one to catch me. ;-)

You *could* invest $150 in an OSHA safety harness. Not that looking
like an idiot hanging from a piece of rope leading to the roof ridge
if you slip is a total remedy over the alternative. ;-)

I'm not a pro, but am re-roofing and re-siding a large 3 story house
without other human help. (In addition to much re-framing work due to
termites and the original contractor's sub-standard non-code work.)

Ladder lifts, air nailers, and safety harnesses work wonders in
lightening the work load - but it's still hard-ass work! Especially
for a 46 year old who spent his younger years working technology jobs
in air conditioned buildings, not on their roofs. But even after the
investment in tools and time, I'm still money ahead, and have total
control over the workmanship, which is a real consideration here in
illegal laborer land... where job costs are high and quality is
non-existant.

I use a Hitachi Coil Nailer, model NV45AB2, BTW.
It works fine, but I find the air leakage at the trigger annoying...
I have tried several, and they all do it when partially applying the
trigger.

FWIW,

Greg G.

Greg G. wrote in message
...


I'm not a pro, but am re-roofing and re-siding a large 3 story house
without other human help.


My comment was base on a one or two story house. You won't even get me to
THINK about roofing a three story. Or siding above the first level.

I'm sure you will have a lot of satisfaction from a good job when you are
done. Good luck with it.

Greg G. wrote in message
...


I'm not a pro, but am re-roofing and re-siding a large 3 story house
without other human help.


My comment was base on a one or two story house. You won't even get me to
THINK about roofing a three story. Or siding above the first level.

I'm sure you will have a lot of satisfaction from a good job when you are
done. Good luck with it.

Edwin Pawlowski said:


Greg G. wrote in message
.. .


I'm not a pro, but am re-roofing and re-siding a large 3 story house
without other human help.


My comment was base on a one or two story house. You won't even get me to
THINK about roofing a three story. Or siding above the first level.

I'm sure you will have a lot of satisfaction from a good job when you are
done. Good luck with it.

So I guess that means you won't be over here next week when the
hurricane winds and rain subside to help me out. ;-)

Darned, it's hard to find good help these days...


Greg G.

Edwin Pawlowski said:


Greg G. wrote in message
.. .


I'm not a pro, but am re-roofing and re-siding a large 3 story house
without other human help.


My comment was base on a one or two story house. You won't even get me to
THINK about roofing a three story. Or siding above the first level.

I'm sure you will have a lot of satisfaction from a good job when you are
done. Good luck with it.

So I guess that means you won't be over here next week when the
hurricane winds and rain subside to help me out. ;-)

Darned, it's hard to find good help these days...


Greg G.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:44:01 -0400, Greg G. wrote:

|patriarch said:
|
|"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
om:
|
|
|snip
| You won't catch me doing it the old way.
| Matter of fact, you won't catch me doing a roof.
| Ed
|
|See, that's exactly my problem. There's no one to catch me. ;-)
|
|You *could* invest $150 in an OSHA safety harness. Not that looking
|like an idiot hanging from a piece of rope leading to the roof ridge
|if you slip is a total remedy over the alternative. ;-)
|
|I'm not a pro, but am re-roofing and re-siding a large 3 story house
|without other human help. (In addition to much re-framing work due to
|termites and the original contractor's sub-standard non-code work.)
|
|Ladder lifts, air nailers, and safety harnesses work wonders in
|lightening the work load - but it's still hard-ass work! Especially
|for a 46 year old who spent his younger years working technology jobs
|in air conditioned buildings, not on their roofs. But even after the
|investment in tools and time, I'm still money ahead, and have total
|control over the workmanship, which is a real consideration here in
|illegal laborer land... where job costs are high and quality is
|non-existant.

Congratulations Greg.

I too did an addition to my house almost singlehandedly and I was 54
when I started. I did a 10' x 16' laundry/sewing room attached to the
existing house and a 28' x 30' garage attached to that. Other than
the concrete slab, stucco and hot-mopped roof, I did everything
myself, while holding down an 8-5 EE job (+2 hours of commute time).

And I just worked off a 16' extension ladder. Hanging sheets of 1/2"
OSB by yourself 16' above grade is a real thrill. I built an A-frame
and used a screwed on cleat and ropes and pulleys to hoist the stuff
while I tack nailed (by hand). When everything was in place, I rented
a nailer and finished. Similar stunts were required to tip up framed
wall sections (2X6s 12' tall), the 28' long 14" I-joists and the two
6x12 14' long beams used for garage door headers.

But I was young and foolish then (relatively speaking) [g]. Shortly
after finished (nearly 3 years after pulling the permit) I learned of
the untimely death of my first boss, who fell of his roof and died
from a broken neck. I figure it could have been worse, he could have
been paralyzed, or it could have been me.

This brings me closer to the point of writing this, as I'm not trying
to blow my own horn, but to bring up another safety issue.

Since I'm also a radio amateur and have a 45' tower in my yard, I
sometimes have to climb the damn thing. I will confess, I'm
petrified, even at 20'. To me there is a big difference between being
on a ladder propped against something solid and having *nothing*
between you and the ground except air. So following Jean's death, I
retired my old used lineman's climbing belt and bought a full body
harness that I use with redundant safety ropes. And then I learned
that the harness can kill you! See:

http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0500...8/d000568.html

So my real point is that working alone is always dangerous, regardless
of how personally satisfying it might be and how many safety
precautions we try to take.


Regards,

Wes

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 03:44:01 -0400, Greg G. wrote:

|patriarch said:
|
|"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in
om:
|
|
|snip
| You won't catch me doing it the old way.
| Matter of fact, you won't catch me doing a roof.
| Ed
|
|See, that's exactly my problem. There's no one to catch me. ;-)
|
|You *could* invest $150 in an OSHA safety harness. Not that looking
|like an idiot hanging from a piece of rope leading to the roof ridge
|if you slip is a total remedy over the alternative. ;-)
|
|I'm not a pro, but am re-roofing and re-siding a large 3 story house
|without other human help. (In addition to much re-framing work due to
|termites and the original contractor's sub-standard non-code work.)
|
|Ladder lifts, air nailers, and safety harnesses work wonders in
|lightening the work load - but it's still hard-ass work! Especially
|for a 46 year old who spent his younger years working technology jobs
|in air conditioned buildings, not on their roofs. But even after the
|investment in tools and time, I'm still money ahead, and have total
|control over the workmanship, which is a real consideration here in
|illegal laborer land... where job costs are high and quality is
|non-existant.

Congratulations Greg.

I too did an addition to my house almost singlehandedly and I was 54
when I started. I did a 10' x 16' laundry/sewing room attached to the
existing house and a 28' x 30' garage attached to that. Other than
the concrete slab, stucco and hot-mopped roof, I did everything
myself, while holding down an 8-5 EE job (+2 hours of commute time).

And I just worked off a 16' extension ladder. Hanging sheets of 1/2"
OSB by yourself 16' above grade is a real thrill. I built an A-frame
and used a screwed on cleat and ropes and pulleys to hoist the stuff
while I tack nailed (by hand). When everything was in place, I rented
a nailer and finished. Similar stunts were required to tip up framed
wall sections (2X6s 12' tall), the 28' long 14" I-joists and the two
6x12 14' long beams used for garage door headers.

But I was young and foolish then (relatively speaking) [g]. Shortly
after finished (nearly 3 years after pulling the permit) I learned of
the untimely death of my first boss, who fell of his roof and died
from a broken neck. I figure it could have been worse, he could have
been paralyzed, or it could have been me.

This brings me closer to the point of writing this, as I'm not trying
to blow my own horn, but to bring up another safety issue.

Since I'm also a radio amateur and have a 45' tower in my yard, I
sometimes have to climb the damn thing. I will confess, I'm
petrified, even at 20'. To me there is a big difference between being
on a ladder propped against something solid and having *nothing*
between you and the ground except air. So following Jean's death, I
retired my old used lineman's climbing belt and bought a full body
harness that I use with redundant safety ropes. And then I learned
that the harness can kill you! See:

http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0500...8/d000568.html

So my real point is that working alone is always dangerous, regardless
of how personally satisfying it might be and how many safety
precautions we try to take.


Regards,

Wes

Wes Stewart wrote in cbngk05bl97thp8o3rih8kknrlc4f8o8jr@
4ax.com:

And then I learned
that the harness can kill you! See:

http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0500...8/d000568.html


Wow, thanks. I'm doing some work alone at 2 stories & was thinking of a
belt. Now some pause to think further (or get some help)

Jerry

Wes Stewart wrote in cbngk05bl97thp8o3rih8kknrlc4f8o8jr@
4ax.com:

And then I learned
that the harness can kill you! See:

http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0500...8/d000568.html


Wow, thanks. I'm doing some work alone at 2 stories & was thinking of a
belt. Now some pause to think further (or get some help)

Jerry

Greg G. wrote in message
...

So I guess that means you won't be over here next week when the
hurricane winds and rain subside to help me out. ;-)

Darned, it's hard to find good help these days...


Greg G.

Sure I can help. I'll be the guy that puts the tools in the bucket that you
can pull up to the top.
Ed

Greg G. wrote in message
...

So I guess that means you won't be over here next week when the
hurricane winds and rain subside to help me out. ;-)

Darned, it's hard to find good help these days...


Greg G.

Sure I can help. I'll be the guy that puts the tools in the bucket that you
can pull up to the top.
Ed

On 15 Sep 2004 16:46:39 GMT, public@simoogledotcom (Jerry McCaffrey)
wrote:

|Wes Stewart wrote in cbngk05bl97thp8o3rih8kknrlc4f8o8jr@
|4ax.com:
|
| And then I learned
|that the harness can kill you! See:
|
|http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0500...8/d000568.html
|
|
|Wow, thanks. I'm doing some work alone at 2 stories & was thinking of a
|belt. Now some pause to think further (or get some help)

As a follow-up. I sent a copy of the article to my fire department.
I live in a semi-rural area outside of Tucson but the FD is only about
4 miles away. In a cover letter I explained that I sometimes used one
of these harnesses and wanted them to know how to rescue me if the
time came.

I got a telephone call from one of the paramedics after he read the
stuff. He said it was all very interesting but not to worry. It
would probably take 15 minutes to get to my place after they were
called, by which time I would probably already be dead. Comforting.
[g]

Some time later I attended a public hearing at the FD. While there, I
saw first hand what he was talking about. The alarm sounded and
unlike what you see on TV these folks really take their sweet time
about getting going. I estimate that it was about 10 minutes before
they rolled.

Wes

On 15 Sep 2004 16:46:39 GMT, public@simoogledotcom (Jerry McCaffrey)
wrote:

|Wes Stewart wrote in cbngk05bl97thp8o3rih8kknrlc4f8o8jr@
|4ax.com:
|
| And then I learned
|that the harness can kill you! See:
|
|http://www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0500...8/d000568.html
|
|
|Wow, thanks. I'm doing some work alone at 2 stories & was thinking of a
|belt. Now some pause to think further (or get some help)

As a follow-up. I sent a copy of the article to my fire department.
I live in a semi-rural area outside of Tucson but the FD is only about
4 miles away. In a cover letter I explained that I sometimes used one
of these harnesses and wanted them to know how to rescue me if the
time came.

I got a telephone call from one of the paramedics after he read the
stuff. He said it was all very interesting but not to worry. It
would probably take 15 minutes to get to my place after they were
called, by which time I would probably already be dead. Comforting.
[g]

Some time later I attended a public hearing at the FD. While there, I
saw first hand what he was talking about. The alarm sounded and
unlike what you see on TV these folks really take their sweet time
about getting going. I estimate that it was about 10 minutes before
they rolled.

Wes

Wes Stewart said:

Congratulations Greg.

snip of construction story

Well, you've got me beat! That's too many hours of labor for me...
I do, however, like to come up with task solving solutions to make a
job easier.

This brings me closer to the point of writing this, as I'm not trying
to blow my own horn, but to bring up another safety issue.

Wow - that was an interesting read. I had never considered this
possibility, although I DO (in my eternal paranoia) constantly keep
the lines tied off so that a slip would result in catching the fall
BEFORE going over the edge... just to save myself from the
embarassment factor. ;-)

So my real point is that working alone is always dangerous, regardless
of how personally satisfying it might be and how many safety
precautions we try to take.

Good advice - but rest assured, I don't go out there without the
better half being within earshot. When I said that I worked alone, I
meant that I did the physical labor, not that I was totally alone.

Thanks for the heads up!


Greg G.

Wes Stewart said:

Congratulations Greg.

snip of construction story

Well, you've got me beat! That's too many hours of labor for me...
I do, however, like to come up with task solving solutions to make a
job easier.

This brings me closer to the point of writing this, as I'm not trying
to blow my own horn, but to bring up another safety issue.

Wow - that was an interesting read. I had never considered this
possibility, although I DO (in my eternal paranoia) constantly keep
the lines tied off so that a slip would result in catching the fall
BEFORE going over the edge... just to save myself from the
embarassment factor. ;-)

So my real point is that working alone is always dangerous, regardless
of how personally satisfying it might be and how many safety
precautions we try to take.

Good advice - but rest assured, I don't go out there without the
better half being within earshot. When I said that I worked alone, I
meant that I did the physical labor, not that I was totally alone.

Thanks for the heads up!


Greg G.