On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 11:32:34 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 5/23/2021 5:54 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 4:37:03 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 5/21/2021 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 15:37:28 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/21/2021 12:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 10:13:02 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/19/2021 5:18 PM, Leon wrote:
So the bed section, that which folds up, now only needs the hardware to
be attached, lightly sanded, and painted.

I used the Shaper Origin to cut 6 arcs on the top rails of the platform.

I used a plug-in program for Sketchup to produce the needed SVG file for
the arc.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

Glued and pinned.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

And getting heavier.


Much easier to visualize now. In the room and wall that it will
eventually be located.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

I understand the concept of the Murphy bed. But it does look heavy
for even that. It's going to take some pistons to lift that.



Yes, gas struts like on GM vehicle hoods, Ford too. I built one of
these about 10 years ago with the basic same hardware from the same
company. It works well and the hardware is plenty sturdy. AND the
manufacturer has plans to build it and several parts have to made out of
3/4" plywood to prevent slitting and failure at the pressure points of
the pivot.

I am right at the 80 lb weight limit for the mattress and the company
modified the plans for me for the 14" thick mattress.

Eighty pounds isn't as much as I thought. That's only a sheet of 3/4"
plywood. I was thinking three times that, anyway. Gas struts will
easily handle that.
Total weight for the mattress and the fold down platform are probably
close to double that.

So the bed frame that pivots will be elevated up about 4" to mate the
male and female pivot hardware.

Up and out, if I understand? Is it going to need a ladder to get into
the bed?

UP only to assemble, from sitting on the floor now. After that is only
fold/pivot out.

And no, I think it will be close to normal bed height, nothing like the
beds that I build with a double stack set of drawers on the bottom.

This is the one I built 10 years ago with 10" mattress.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

And closed, notice that the platform is elevated off of the floor about
4~5". That was what I was talking about above.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/

When are you going to build one of these?
Unless a customer wants one, probably never.

This style bed, horizontal vs. vertical is also available in a queen
IIRC. The horizontal have a larger foot print and waste more wall space
usable wall space.
That is, for the bed with out the fold out desk, more so with the desk.


This link takes you to the company that made my kit. They have a boat
load of pictures of both vertical and horizontal beds.

https://www.createabed.com/?gclid=Cj...EaAswQEALw_wcB

https://i.imgur.com/n2cM86p.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8AlasZn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XjSbmBh.jpg

There's a built-in tower on the left that you can't see.

The height of the side rails leaves about foot of space so you
don't have to clean everything off the desk.

I have seen similar fold out desks on the vertical versions too. The
link above shows them.

My SIL found that bed/desk on Craigslist. Turned a small office into a
office/guestroom.

A vertical bed wouldn't fit in the room shown. In the lower right corner of
the second image you can see the left half of a suitcase and a duffel-type
bag to the left of that. The suitcase is up against the wall opposite the bed,
so you should be able to get a feel for how narrow the room is.

If I recall correctly, the unit actually came with 2 side towers, but the room
was only big enough for one.

While a horizontal bed does use more wall space, that's not the biggest issue.
The biggest issue is only having one open side. With 2 people sharing the bed,
the person on the inside has to enter/exit the bed from the end if there is a
person on the outside. Crawling into bed from the end isn't so bad when
compared to crawling out. Try that sometime. Make believe you can't leave
the bed on either side. It truly sucks.

Oh, yeah...the bed is pretty high off the floor. I used a step stool to make getting
in and out easier.

On 5/24/2021 11:24 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 11:32:34 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 5/23/2021 5:54 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 4:37:03 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 5/21/2021 4:04 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 15:37:28 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/21/2021 12:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2021 10:13:02 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/19/2021 5:18 PM, Leon wrote:
So the bed section, that which folds up, now only needs the hardware to
be attached, lightly sanded, and painted.

I used the Shaper Origin to cut 6 arcs on the top rails of the platform.

I used a plug-in program for Sketchup to produce the needed SVG file for
the arc.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

Glued and pinned.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

And getting heavier.


Much easier to visualize now. In the room and wall that it will
eventually be located.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

I understand the concept of the Murphy bed. But it does look heavy
for even that. It's going to take some pistons to lift that.



Yes, gas struts like on GM vehicle hoods, Ford too. I built one of
these about 10 years ago with the basic same hardware from the same
company. It works well and the hardware is plenty sturdy. AND the
manufacturer has plans to build it and several parts have to made out of
3/4" plywood to prevent slitting and failure at the pressure points of
the pivot.

I am right at the 80 lb weight limit for the mattress and the company
modified the plans for me for the 14" thick mattress.

Eighty pounds isn't as much as I thought. That's only a sheet of 3/4"
plywood. I was thinking three times that, anyway. Gas struts will
easily handle that.
Total weight for the mattress and the fold down platform are probably
close to double that.

So the bed frame that pivots will be elevated up about 4" to mate the
male and female pivot hardware.

Up and out, if I understand? Is it going to need a ladder to get into
the bed?

UP only to assemble, from sitting on the floor now. After that is only
fold/pivot out.

And no, I think it will be close to normal bed height, nothing like the
beds that I build with a double stack set of drawers on the bottom.

This is the one I built 10 years ago with 10" mattress.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

And closed, notice that the platform is elevated off of the floor about
4~5". That was what I was talking about above.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...n/photostream/

When are you going to build one of these?
Unless a customer wants one, probably never.

This style bed, horizontal vs. vertical is also available in a queen
IIRC. The horizontal have a larger foot print and waste more wall space
usable wall space.
That is, for the bed with out the fold out desk, more so with the desk.


This link takes you to the company that made my kit. They have a boat
load of pictures of both vertical and horizontal beds.

https://www.createabed.com/?gclid=Cj...EaAswQEALw_wcB

https://i.imgur.com/n2cM86p.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8AlasZn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XjSbmBh.jpg

There's a built-in tower on the left that you can't see.

The height of the side rails leaves about foot of space so you
don't have to clean everything off the desk.

I have seen similar fold out desks on the vertical versions too. The
link above shows them.

My SIL found that bed/desk on Craigslist. Turned a small office into a
office/guestroom.

A vertical bed wouldn't fit in the room shown. In the lower right corner of
the second image you can see the left half of a suitcase and a duffel-type
bag to the left of that. The suitcase is up against the wall opposite the bed,
so you should be able to get a feel for how narrow the room is.

If I recall correctly, the unit actually came with 2 side towers, but the room
was only big enough for one.

While a horizontal bed does use more wall space, that's not the biggest issue.
The biggest issue is only having one open side. With 2 people sharing the bed,
the person on the inside has to enter/exit the bed from the end if there is a
person on the outside. Crawling into bed from the end isn't so bad when
compared to crawling out. Try that sometime. Make believe you can't leave
the bed on either side. It truly sucks.

Oh, yeah...the bed is pretty high off the floor. I used a step stool to make getting
in and out easier.


OH, Cool, I thought this was the internet picture of what she bought
vs. in her home.

Tall? :~)

This is ours that I build 11 years ago. The mattress top is 35" high.
My wife uses a stool.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

If you zoom in on the bottom right side you will notice a double deck of
drawers, 6 on this side, 6 on the opposite side, and 6 hidden in the
middle between the left and right side drawers, yes 18 drawers.

This was GREAT Until we bought Termurpedic king mattresses with the
articulating lifts for the head and feet. Guess how tall that would
have been! LOL. We moved the bottom with the drawers out for about 2
years. Last Spring I shortened the height of the bottom and drawers to
a single layer of drawers, 9 drawers now, and placed the articulating
bed frame and mattresses back on top. I had to remove the 8 extension
feet from the articulating frame so that the height is only 36". ;~)

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:


This was GREAT Until we bought Termurpedic king mattresses with the
articulating lifts for the head and feet. Guess how tall that would
have been! LOL. We moved the bottom with the drawers out for about 2
years. Last Spring I shortened the height of the bottom and drawers
to a single layer of drawers, 9 drawers now, and placed the
articulating bed frame and mattresses back on top. I had to remove
the 8 extension feet from the articulating frame so that the height is
only 36". ;~)


Only!

Any higher and you'll have to install blinking lights so pilots don't hit
you while you're trying to sleep!

Puckdroper