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I struggled with the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig model 4212, because it would not give me consistent results in tightness of joint and alignment of pieces. With a few modifications to eliminate variation, I was able to get consistent results. I keep a dedicated router with the bit installed so that I can set up quickly and make a perfect fitting drawer on first try without any adjustments to the jig or router. Saves a lot of time.
Modifications are explained in this YouTube Video https://youtu.be/hTRCSAM-YTk I am interested in any other ideas to improve the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig -- For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodwo...e-3081657-.htm |
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On 12/17/2020 5:15 PM, StevenWoodward wrote:
I struggled with the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig model 4212, because it would not give me consistent results in tightness of joint and alignment of pieces. With a few modifications to eliminate variation, I was able to get consistent results. I keep a dedicated router with the bit installed so that I can set up quickly and make a perfect fitting drawer on first try without any adjustments to the jig or router. Saves a lot of time. Modifications are explained in this YouTube Video https://youtu.be/hTRCSAM-YTk I am interested in any other ideas to improve the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig As with 90% of all jigs that use templates there are numerous steps that have to be taken to insure a proper fit. I have had 2 different DT jigs and they were about equal in delivering results. A Craftsman and a Leigh D4 jig. You have made tweaks and extra parts to over come the jigs deficiencies. And you have dedicated a router, guide bushing and DT bit to eliminate set up tweaking, of your router, every time. Unfortunately that bit will have to be replaced at some point and test fitting with different depths will have to be done over again. Your set up looks to be working out pretty good for small jobs. But with larger and multiple projects you will probably do more adjustments. I have pretty much given up on template jigs altogether at this point. Several days ago I built boxes with box joints with a relatively new approach. While box joints are somewhat simpler than DT's, the accuracy of my new tool should make repeatable accuracy a breeze. Set up and a test cut took me approximately 2 minutes and I was on my way to cutting 728 slots and pins for these 14 boxes, for the very first time ever with this new tool. My new tool, the Shaper Origin and Workstation are absolutely not for every one but if you do sell your work it pays for itself in time savings in short order. The Shaper Workstation incorporates a shockingly simple indexing set up that is absolutely spot on and never ever needs adjustment. I cannot help but wonder why no one has thought of this before now. The Origin is basically a hand held CNC machine with repeatable accuracy down to .001". With the replacement of any bit, even mid cut into a series of pins and tails or pins and slots, setting the correct depth is a 5 second step. The Origin remembers the proper depth of cut and calibrates during that 5 second step. If you ever tire of the typical template guided DT jig, take a look at Shaper Origin and its Workstation. Pricey but it does much much more than cut finger or DT joints. |
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:59:03 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 12/17/2020 5:15 PM, StevenWoodward wrote: I struggled with the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig model 4212, because it would not give me consistent results in tightness of joint and alignment of pieces. With a few modifications to eliminate variation, I was able to get consistent results. I keep a dedicated router with the bit installed so that I can set up quickly and make a perfect fitting drawer on first try without any adjustments to the jig or router. Saves a lot of time. Modifications are explained in this YouTube Video https://youtu.be/hTRCSAM-YTk I am interested in any other ideas to improve the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig As with 90% of all jigs that use templates there are numerous steps that have to be taken to insure a proper fit. I have had 2 different DT jigs and they were about equal in delivering results. A Craftsman and a Leigh D4 jig. You have made tweaks and extra parts to over come the jigs deficiencies. And you have dedicated a router, guide bushing and DT bit to eliminate set up tweaking, of your router, every time. Unfortunately that bit will have to be replaced at some point and test fitting with different depths will have to be done over again. Your set up looks to be working out pretty good for small jobs. But with larger and multiple projects you will probably do more adjustments. I have pretty much given up on template jigs altogether at this point. Several days ago I built boxes with box joints with a relatively new approach. While box joints are somewhat simpler than DT's, the accuracy of my new tool should make repeatable accuracy a breeze. Set up and a test cut took me approximately 2 minutes and I was on my way to cutting 728 slots and pins for these 14 boxes, for the very first time ever with this new tool. My new tool, the Shaper Origin and Workstation are absolutely not for every one but if you do sell your work it pays for itself in time savings in short order. The Shaper Workstation incorporates a shockingly simple indexing set up that is absolutely spot on and never ever needs adjustment. I cannot help but wonder why no one has thought of this before now. The Origin is basically a hand held CNC machine with repeatable accuracy down to .001". With the replacement of any bit, even mid cut into a series of pins and tails or pins and slots, setting the correct depth is a 5 second step. The Origin remembers the proper depth of cut and calibrates during that 5 second step. If you ever tire of the typical template guided DT jig, take a look at Shaper Origin and its Workstation. Pricey but it does much much more than cut finger or DT joints. Even so, the thickness of the stock matters. Do you plane everything down to the same dimensions? |
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On 12/19/2020 12:25 PM, Leon wrote:
On 12/18/2020 9:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:59:03 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/17/2020 5:15 PM, StevenWoodward wrote: I struggled with the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig model 4212, because it would not give me consistent results in tightness of joint and alignment of pieces. With a few modifications to eliminate variation, I was able to get consistent results. I keep a dedicated router with the bit installed so that I can set up quickly and make a perfect fitting drawer on first try without any adjustments to the jig or router. Saves a lot of time. Modifications are explained in this YouTube Video https://youtu.be/hTRCSAM-YTk I am interested in any other ideas to improve the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig As with 90% of all jigs that use templates there are numerous steps that have to be taken to insure a proper fit. I have had 2 different DT jigs and they were about equal in delivering results.Â* A Craftsman and a Leigh D4 jig. You have made tweaks and extra parts to over come the jigs deficiencies. Â* And you have dedicated a router, guide bushing and DT bit to eliminate set up tweaking, of your router, every time. Unfortunately that bit will have to be replaced at some point and test fitting with different depths will have to be done over again. Your set up looks to be working out pretty good for small jobs.Â* But with larger and multiple projects you will probably do more adjustments. I have pretty much given up on template jigs altogether at this point. Several days ago I built boxes with box joints with a relatively new approach.Â* While box joints are somewhat simpler than DT's, the accuracy of my new tool should make repeatable accuracy a breeze.Â* Set up and a test cutÂ* took me approximately 2 minutes and I was on my way to cutting 728 slots and pins for these 14 boxes, for the very first time ever with this new tool. My new tool, the Shaper Origin and Workstation are absolutely not for every one but if you do sell your work it pays for itself in time savings in short order.Â* The Shaper Workstation incorporates a shockingly simple indexing set up that is absolutely spot on and never ever needs adjustment.Â* I cannot help but wonder why no one has thought of this before now. The Origin is basically a hand held CNC machine with repeatable accuracy down to .001".Â* With the replacement of any bit, even mid cut into a series of pins and tails or pins and slots, setting the correct depth is a 5 second step.Â* The Origin remembers the proper depth of cut and calibrates during that 5 second step. If you ever tire of the typical template guided DT jig, take a look at Shaper Origin and its Workstation.Â* Pricey but it does much much more than cut finger or DT joints. Even so, the thickness of the stock matters.Â* Do you plane everything down to the same dimensions? Well it helps speed the process if the stock is the same thickness.Â* Not necessary but makes life easier with less adjustments. For 12 of my 14 boxes I glued up 3/4 to 1.5" wide scraps of 3/4" thick material.Â* Some boxes have 4~6 pieces for each side.Â* That was a task all by it self. After glue up I ran the pieces through my drum sander until both sides were smooth...Â* I may have removed 1/16" total. Then through the band saw with a resaw blade and cut the panels to about 9/16" thick.Â* The waste piece became the surface for the tops and bottoms of the boxes. So those pieces were right at 1/8" thick.Â* I ran the thicker pieces down to 1/2" thick, on the drum sander and ran the thin pieces down to about 1/10th inch. The 1/2" pieces became the sides for the boxes and the thin pieces were glued to 7/32" thick plywood amd back cut to fit the 1/4x 1/4" grooves. Then with the Origin set up I cut 1/4"Â* fingers and slots on the ends of each 1/2" thick side.Â* BUT the fingers were 1/4" x 1/4", not 1/4" x 1/2". For half of the sides I cut a 1/4" wide and 1/4" deep rabbit on each end and on the other half cut a 1/4" deep and 1/2" wide rabbet. I cut the rabbets and groves on the TS and all the finger joints and inlays with the Origin. There was a purpose for using two different width rabbets.Â* This prevented the grooves, that receive the top and bottom panels, from coming through and being exposed through the box joints. I'll post pictures later.Â* I am currently cutting the tops from the bottom halves and then need to varnish the sides. Well here is a screen shot. Its horrible but it shows the steps to process each piece. If interested I can send you the Sketchup file. Just tell me which version Sketchup and where. Anyway you have to be anal about the rabbets and the grooves. Do not use a tape measure. I used a digital caliper and steel rule for TS setup. The fingers and slots were a piece of cake with the Origin. It does all the layout and measuring for you once you tell it what size the material is and what size fingers/slots you want. |
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:43:57 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 12/19/2020 12:25 PM, Leon wrote: On 12/18/2020 9:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:59:03 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/17/2020 5:15 PM, StevenWoodward wrote: I struggled with the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig model 4212, because it would not give me consistent results in tightness of joint and alignment of pieces. With a few modifications to eliminate variation, I was able to get consistent results. I keep a dedicated router with the bit installed so that I can set up quickly and make a perfect fitting drawer on first try without any adjustments to the jig or router. Saves a lot of time. Modifications are explained in this YouTube Video https://youtu.be/hTRCSAM-YTk I am interested in any other ideas to improve the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig As with 90% of all jigs that use templates there are numerous steps that have to be taken to insure a proper fit. I have had 2 different DT jigs and they were about equal in delivering results.* A Craftsman and a Leigh D4 jig. You have made tweaks and extra parts to over come the jigs deficiencies. * And you have dedicated a router, guide bushing and DT bit to eliminate set up tweaking, of your router, every time. Unfortunately that bit will have to be replaced at some point and test fitting with different depths will have to be done over again. Your set up looks to be working out pretty good for small jobs.* But with larger and multiple projects you will probably do more adjustments. I have pretty much given up on template jigs altogether at this point. Several days ago I built boxes with box joints with a relatively new approach.* While box joints are somewhat simpler than DT's, the accuracy of my new tool should make repeatable accuracy a breeze.* Set up and a test cut* took me approximately 2 minutes and I was on my way to cutting 728 slots and pins for these 14 boxes, for the very first time ever with this new tool. My new tool, the Shaper Origin and Workstation are absolutely not for every one but if you do sell your work it pays for itself in time savings in short order.* The Shaper Workstation incorporates a shockingly simple indexing set up that is absolutely spot on and never ever needs adjustment.* I cannot help but wonder why no one has thought of this before now. The Origin is basically a hand held CNC machine with repeatable accuracy down to .001".* With the replacement of any bit, even mid cut into a series of pins and tails or pins and slots, setting the correct depth is a 5 second step.* The Origin remembers the proper depth of cut and calibrates during that 5 second step. If you ever tire of the typical template guided DT jig, take a look at Shaper Origin and its Workstation.* Pricey but it does much much more than cut finger or DT joints. Even so, the thickness of the stock matters.* Do you plane everything down to the same dimensions? Well it helps speed the process if the stock is the same thickness.* Not necessary but makes life easier with less adjustments. For 12 of my 14 boxes I glued up 3/4 to 1.5" wide scraps of 3/4" thick material.* Some boxes have 4~6 pieces for each side.* That was a task all by it self. After glue up I ran the pieces through my drum sander until both sides were smooth...* I may have removed 1/16" total. Then through the band saw with a resaw blade and cut the panels to about 9/16" thick.* The waste piece became the surface for the tops and bottoms of the boxes. So those pieces were right at 1/8" thick.* I ran the thicker pieces down to 1/2" thick, on the drum sander and ran the thin pieces down to about 1/10th inch. The 1/2" pieces became the sides for the boxes and the thin pieces were glued to 7/32" thick plywood amd back cut to fit the 1/4x 1/4" grooves. Then with the Origin set up I cut 1/4"* fingers and slots on the ends of each 1/2" thick side.* BUT the fingers were 1/4" x 1/4", not 1/4" x 1/2". For half of the sides I cut a 1/4" wide and 1/4" deep rabbit on each end and on the other half cut a 1/4" deep and 1/2" wide rabbet. I cut the rabbets and groves on the TS and all the finger joints and inlays with the Origin. There was a purpose for using two different width rabbets.* This prevented the grooves, that receive the top and bottom panels, from coming through and being exposed through the box joints. I'll post pictures later.* I am currently cutting the tops from the bottom halves and then need to varnish the sides. Well here is a screen shot. Its horrible but it shows the steps to process each piece. If interested I can send you the Sketchup file. Just tell me which version Sketchup and where. Anyway you have to be anal about the rabbets and the grooves. Do not use a tape measure. I used a digital caliper and steel rule for TS setup. The fingers and slots were a piece of cake with the Origin. It does all the layout and measuring for you once you tell it what size the material is and what size fingers/slots you want. Screen shot? |
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:25:41 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 12/18/2020 9:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:59:03 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/17/2020 5:15 PM, StevenWoodward wrote: I struggled with the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig model 4212, because it would not give me consistent results in tightness of joint and alignment of pieces. With a few modifications to eliminate variation, I was able to get consistent results. I keep a dedicated router with the bit installed so that I can set up quickly and make a perfect fitting drawer on first try without any adjustments to the jig or router. Saves a lot of time. Modifications are explained in this YouTube Video https://youtu.be/hTRCSAM-YTk I am interested in any other ideas to improve the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig As with 90% of all jigs that use templates there are numerous steps that have to be taken to insure a proper fit. I have had 2 different DT jigs and they were about equal in delivering results. A Craftsman and a Leigh D4 jig. You have made tweaks and extra parts to over come the jigs deficiencies. And you have dedicated a router, guide bushing and DT bit to eliminate set up tweaking, of your router, every time. Unfortunately that bit will have to be replaced at some point and test fitting with different depths will have to be done over again. Your set up looks to be working out pretty good for small jobs. But with larger and multiple projects you will probably do more adjustments. I have pretty much given up on template jigs altogether at this point. Several days ago I built boxes with box joints with a relatively new approach. While box joints are somewhat simpler than DT's, the accuracy of my new tool should make repeatable accuracy a breeze. Set up and a test cut took me approximately 2 minutes and I was on my way to cutting 728 slots and pins for these 14 boxes, for the very first time ever with this new tool. My new tool, the Shaper Origin and Workstation are absolutely not for every one but if you do sell your work it pays for itself in time savings in short order. The Shaper Workstation incorporates a shockingly simple indexing set up that is absolutely spot on and never ever needs adjustment. I cannot help but wonder why no one has thought of this before now. The Origin is basically a hand held CNC machine with repeatable accuracy down to .001". With the replacement of any bit, even mid cut into a series of pins and tails or pins and slots, setting the correct depth is a 5 second step. The Origin remembers the proper depth of cut and calibrates during that 5 second step. If you ever tire of the typical template guided DT jig, take a look at Shaper Origin and its Workstation. Pricey but it does much much more than cut finger or DT joints. Even so, the thickness of the stock matters. Do you plane everything down to the same dimensions? Well it helps speed the process if the stock is the same thickness. Not necessary but makes life easier with less adjustments. I was referring to keeping the router depth a constant. If this worked, I'd think a reference dovetail would be just as good. For 12 of my 14 boxes I glued up 3/4 to 1.5" wide scraps of 3/4" thick material. Some boxes have 4~6 pieces for each side. That was a task all by it self. After glue up I ran the pieces through my drum sander until both sides were smooth... I may have removed 1/16" total. Then through the band saw with a resaw blade and cut the panels to about 9/16" thick. The waste piece became the surface for the tops and bottoms of the boxes. So those pieces were right at 1/8" thick. I ran the thicker pieces down to 1/2" thick, on the drum sander and ran the thin pieces down to about 1/10th inch. The 1/2" pieces became the sides for the boxes and the thin pieces were glued to 7/32" thick plywood amd back cut to fit the 1/4x 1/4" grooves. Then with the Origin set up I cut 1/4" fingers and slots on the ends of each 1/2" thick side. BUT the fingers were 1/4" x 1/4", not 1/4" x 1/2". For half of the sides I cut a 1/4" wide and 1/4" deep rabbit on each end and on the other half cut a 1/4" deep and 1/2" wide rabbet. I cut the rabbets and groves on the TS and all the finger joints and inlays with the Origin. There was a purpose for using two different width rabbets. This prevented the grooves, that receive the top and bottom panels, from coming through and being exposed through the box joints. I'll post pictures later. I am currently cutting the tops from the bottom halves and then need to varnish the sides. Please do. It sounds interesting. Maybe a Youtube video too? ;-) |
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On 12/19/2020 5:48 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:25:41 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/18/2020 9:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:59:03 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 12/17/2020 5:15 PM, StevenWoodward wrote: I struggled with the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig model 4212, because it would not give me consistent results in tightness of joint and alignment of pieces. With a few modifications to eliminate variation, I was able to get consistent results. I keep a dedicated router with the bit installed so that I can set up quickly and make a perfect fitting drawer on first try without any adjustments to the jig or router. Saves a lot of time. Modifications are explained in this YouTube Video https://youtu.be/hTRCSAM-YTk I am interested in any other ideas to improve the Porter Cable Dovetail Jig As with 90% of all jigs that use templates there are numerous steps that have to be taken to insure a proper fit. I have had 2 different DT jigs and they were about equal in delivering results. A Craftsman and a Leigh D4 jig. You have made tweaks and extra parts to over come the jigs deficiencies. And you have dedicated a router, guide bushing and DT bit to eliminate set up tweaking, of your router, every time. Unfortunately that bit will have to be replaced at some point and test fitting with different depths will have to be done over again. Your set up looks to be working out pretty good for small jobs. But with larger and multiple projects you will probably do more adjustments. I have pretty much given up on template jigs altogether at this point. Several days ago I built boxes with box joints with a relatively new approach. While box joints are somewhat simpler than DT's, the accuracy of my new tool should make repeatable accuracy a breeze. Set up and a test cut took me approximately 2 minutes and I was on my way to cutting 728 slots and pins for these 14 boxes, for the very first time ever with this new tool. My new tool, the Shaper Origin and Workstation are absolutely not for every one but if you do sell your work it pays for itself in time savings in short order. The Shaper Workstation incorporates a shockingly simple indexing set up that is absolutely spot on and never ever needs adjustment. I cannot help but wonder why no one has thought of this before now. The Origin is basically a hand held CNC machine with repeatable accuracy down to .001". With the replacement of any bit, even mid cut into a series of pins and tails or pins and slots, setting the correct depth is a 5 second step. The Origin remembers the proper depth of cut and calibrates during that 5 second step. If you ever tire of the typical template guided DT jig, take a look at Shaper Origin and its Workstation. Pricey but it does much much more than cut finger or DT joints. Even so, the thickness of the stock matters. Do you plane everything down to the same dimensions? Well it helps speed the process if the stock is the same thickness. Not necessary but makes life easier with less adjustments. I was referring to keeping the router depth a constant. If this worked, I'd think a reference dovetail would be just as good. Easily done with the Origin. Just dial in the depth that works best. For 12 of my 14 boxes I glued up 3/4 to 1.5" wide scraps of 3/4" thick material. Some boxes have 4~6 pieces for each side. That was a task all by it self. After glue up I ran the pieces through my drum sander until both sides were smooth... I may have removed 1/16" total. Then through the band saw with a resaw blade and cut the panels to about 9/16" thick. The waste piece became the surface for the tops and bottoms of the boxes. So those pieces were right at 1/8" thick. I ran the thicker pieces down to 1/2" thick, on the drum sander and ran the thin pieces down to about 1/10th inch. The 1/2" pieces became the sides for the boxes and the thin pieces were glued to 7/32" thick plywood amd back cut to fit the 1/4x 1/4" grooves. Then with the Origin set up I cut 1/4" fingers and slots on the ends of each 1/2" thick side. BUT the fingers were 1/4" x 1/4", not 1/4" x 1/2". For half of the sides I cut a 1/4" wide and 1/4" deep rabbit on each end and on the other half cut a 1/4" deep and 1/2" wide rabbet. I cut the rabbets and groves on the TS and all the finger joints and inlays with the Origin. There was a purpose for using two different width rabbets. This prevented the grooves, that receive the top and bottom panels, from coming through and being exposed through the box joints. I'll post pictures later. I am currently cutting the tops from the bottom halves and then need to varnish the sides. Please do. It sounds interesting. Maybe a Youtube video too? ;-) More waiting on the final coat of varnish to dry. And a few before the varnish on the sides. Sorry no YouTube. The top two are poplar and a stain. Those were going to be going to the trash can after testing box joints with the Origin. Turns out they came out just about perfect the first try. So I glued them and stained them. Then made the bottom 12 strictly out of narrow pieces of scrap wood. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ A little closer of an oak one. Have you done box joints before? Have you ever done 1/4" square box joints before? Have you ever done 1/4" square box joints out of 1/2" thick stock? ;~) Look closely at the top of the joint.. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ All of them with the final coat of varnish. Next and last step, felt on the inside bottoms. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ Something my customers have been asking for. Easily done with the Origin. This is done on 11 of the 13 boxes. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/ |
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