The old house we bought 2 years ago has what would be called
"character" if it appeared on one of those HGTV/DIY shows. Somewhere
in the last 40 to 50 years a number of additions/modifications were
made and somebody decided to put a sliding glass door in the kitchen
which was on the front of the house facing a lake. Perhaps because
they had no HVAC and in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Later someone came along and added a screen porch to the house. Later
still another body moved the kitchen to the back of the house and made
the area with the slider a dining room.

The slider has lost it's seal and the inside has turned color so
Management wants to replace the slider. Worker is opposed and wants to
add windows. Management stresses that the area has a low ceiling and
tends to be dark so wins the discussion but in order to keep the peace
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.

Worker is about to suggest that a slider be purchased, taken apart and
the 2 glass pieces be framed to look like 2 picture windows.

Before I offer this idea to Management, is there any reason this can't
be done?

Jim

On 6/3/2017 10:30 PM, swalker wrote:

The old house we bought 2 years ago has what would be called
"character" if it appeared on one of those HGTV/DIY shows. Somewhere
in the last 40 to 50 years a number of additions/modifications were
made and somebody decided to put a sliding glass door in the kitchen
which was on the front of the house facing a lake. Perhaps because
they had no HVAC and in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Later someone came along and added a screen porch to the house. Later
still another body moved the kitchen to the back of the house and made
the area with the slider a dining room.

The slider has lost it's seal and the inside has turned color so
Management wants to replace the slider. Worker is opposed and wants to
add windows. Management stresses that the area has a low ceiling and
tends to be dark so wins the discussion but in order to keep the peace
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.

Worker is about to suggest that a slider be purchased, taken apart and
the 2 glass pieces be framed to look like 2 picture windows.

Before I offer this idea to Management, is there any reason this can't
be done?

Jim


I'm not sure how you want to situate them. As a door, they overlap to
form an interlocking seal. If you put them side by side on the same
plane, I'm not sure they would fit in the opening tough without the
frame they may.

Would it be cheaper to just build two window frames and have glass set
in place like you'd do on a storefront? Seems that you are going to pay
for a screen, rollers, handle, and track that will be discarded. .I
think I'd talk to the local glass company that does commercial stiff.

In article , says...

On 6/3/2017 10:30 PM, swalker wrote:

The old house we bought 2 years ago has what would be called
"character" if it appeared on one of those HGTV/DIY shows. Somewhere
in the last 40 to 50 years a number of additions/modifications were
made and somebody decided to put a sliding glass door in the kitchen
which was on the front of the house facing a lake. Perhaps because
they had no HVAC and in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Later someone came along and added a screen porch to the house. Later
still another body moved the kitchen to the back of the house and made
the area with the slider a dining room.

The slider has lost it's seal and the inside has turned color so
Management wants to replace the slider. Worker is opposed and wants to
add windows. Management stresses that the area has a low ceiling and
tends to be dark so wins the discussion but in order to keep the peace
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.

Worker is about to suggest that a slider be purchased, taken apart and
the 2 glass pieces be framed to look like 2 picture windows.

Before I offer this idea to Management, is there any reason this can't
be done?

Jim


I'm not sure how you want to situate them. As a door, they overlap to
form an interlocking seal. If you put them side by side on the same
plane, I'm not sure they would fit in the opening tough without the
frame they may.

Would it be cheaper to just build two window frames and have glass set
in place like you'd do on a storefront? Seems that you are going to pay
for a screen, rollers, handle, and track that will be discarded. .I
think I'd talk to the local glass company that does commercial stiff.

Have you considered rather than large plate-glass windows making divided-
light windows the same size? If you do that you can get enough 1/4 inch
tempered Solex to do the job online for about 500 bucks. You can also get
large pieces of tempered or double-glazed or laminated from the same source
but the shipping is a killer on big pieces.

https://www.onedayglass.com/

Note that there should be some place local that can provide the same
service probably for a higher price but with much lower shipping.

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 00:05:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/3/2017 10:30 PM, swalker wrote:

The old house we bought 2 years ago has what would be called
"character" if it appeared on one of those HGTV/DIY shows. Somewhere
in the last 40 to 50 years a number of additions/modifications were
made and somebody decided to put a sliding glass door in the kitchen
which was on the front of the house facing a lake. Perhaps because
they had no HVAC and in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Later someone came along and added a screen porch to the house. Later
still another body moved the kitchen to the back of the house and made
the area with the slider a dining room.

The slider has lost it's seal and the inside has turned color so
Management wants to replace the slider. Worker is opposed and wants to
add windows. Management stresses that the area has a low ceiling and
tends to be dark so wins the discussion but in order to keep the peace
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.

Worker is about to suggest that a slider be purchased, taken apart and
the 2 glass pieces be framed to look like 2 picture windows.

Before I offer this idea to Management, is there any reason this can't
be done?

Jim


I'm not sure how you want to situate them. As a door, they overlap to
form an interlocking seal. If you put them side by side on the same
plane, I'm not sure they would fit in the opening tough without the
frame they may.

Would it be cheaper to just build two window frames and have glass set
in place like you'd do on a storefront? Seems that you are going to pay
for a screen, rollers, handle, and track that will be discarded. .I
think I'd talk to the local glass company that does commercial stiff.

Often it's cheaper to throw all that stuff away than buy glass the
same size. Sliders are sold by the brazillions and sold at quite
reasonable prices (volume efficiencies and all that). It might be
even cheaper to start with slider "replacement cartridges". Sliders
do need repair and most are standard size so they do sell replacement
glass. As you point out, the hardware does cost something but enough
to offset the economies of scale? It's another place to look.

I know people who have used these to turn a three-season room into
four.

On 6/4/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
It might be
even cheaper to start with slider "replacement cartridges".

Yeah. The local glass guys I normally use have an assortment of thermal
glass panels for emergency repairs on glass doors. Ordering 'custom' for
every broken panel would take far too long and, as you note, there are only
a certain range of sized in common use. I guess the only serious question
would be one of safety and consideration should be given to tempered vs.
non-tempered in any use where the glass extends close to the floor. It
certainly can't hurt to ask what such panels would cost. Framing and
trimming stationary glass should be trivial.

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 9:30:29 PM UTC-5, swalker wrote:
in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Just where in AL? Near Mobile, perhaps?

Management .....
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.


Option 1: If you are within 5-6 hour drive of Lafayette, La., I have 2 picture windows you can have. Each are of a different design, with one being a bit shorter and/or narrower, than the other. One, for sure, is single pane panes. I don't recall if the other is double paned, argon fill gas, low-E, etc. I think both are 9 light sashes (I suppose you are aware they are fixed sashes). Their *sash framing has minor rot along the bottom edge, but should be easily fixable. *These are sashes, only, not the whole window frame. I can take pics to show, however, they are in crowded storage and pics, of the whole, may be difficult to take. I think each's original cost was about $3500, which included the frame.

Option 2: I have 5 sashes, all about 7' tall and 30" wide. I don't recall if they are single light panes, but I think they are. On 4 units, the wooden frames has slight rot (or some wood damage, I don't recall) on one or two edges, but should be easily repairable. The fifth unit is still in the box. I can take pics of these, also. These may be easier to remove from storage, for decent pics. I think each's original cost was about $850..... originally, the wall/window framing was custom built on site, to accommodate the sash-set.

I have quite a few other sashes, also, with similar minor damages.... I think most are argon filled, low-E, etc.

I had saved these sashes, thinking to repair & install them somewhere, eventually, but never have. I might as well offer them to someone who can use them, if the drive is cost effective.

I sometimes go to Mobile, but I don't have immediate plans for a trip anytime soon. I have been contemplating making a trip to NC, for the August 21st solar eclipse, but that's not a sure thing, at the moment.

Sonny

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 00:05:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/3/2017 10:30 PM, swalker wrote:

The old house we bought 2 years ago has what would be called
"character" if it appeared on one of those HGTV/DIY shows. Somewhere
in the last 40 to 50 years a number of additions/modifications were
made and somebody decided to put a sliding glass door in the kitchen
which was on the front of the house facing a lake. Perhaps because
they had no HVAC and in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Later someone came along and added a screen porch to the house. Later
still another body moved the kitchen to the back of the house and made
the area with the slider a dining room.

The slider has lost it's seal and the inside has turned color so
Management wants to replace the slider. Worker is opposed and wants to
add windows. Management stresses that the area has a low ceiling and
tends to be dark so wins the discussion but in order to keep the peace
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.

Worker is about to suggest that a slider be purchased, taken apart and
the 2 glass pieces be framed to look like 2 picture windows.

Before I offer this idea to Management, is there any reason this can't
be done?

Jim


I'm not sure how you want to situate them. As a door, they overlap to
form an interlocking seal. If you put them side by side on the same
plane, I'm not sure they would fit in the opening tough without the
frame they may.

Would it be cheaper to just build two window frames and have glass set
in place like you'd do on a storefront? Seems that you are going to pay
for a screen, rollers, handle, and track that will be discarded. .I
think I'd talk to the local glass company that does commercial stiff.
Whether the door is ever opened or not, the CHEAPEST and SIMPLEST
solution is to simply replace the slider. What's the downside?????

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:06:21 -0400, John McGaw wrote:

On 6/4/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
It might be
even cheaper to start with slider "replacement cartridges".

Yeah. The local glass guys I normally use have an assortment of thermal
glass panels for emergency repairs on glass doors. Ordering 'custom' for
every broken panel would take far too long and, as you note, there are only
a certain range of sized in common use. I guess the only serious question
would be one of safety and consideration should be given to tempered vs.
non-tempered in any use where the glass extends close to the floor. It
certainly can't hurt to ask what such panels would cost. Framing and
trimming stationary glass should be trivial.
EVERY sliding door glass has to be safety glass. What's wrong with
just replacing the sliding door? As mentioned, economy of scale is
definitely in your favour - and just installing "as supplied" is dead
nuts simple - so why screw with it?

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:42:45 -0700 (PDT), Sonny
wrote:

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 9:30:29 PM UTC-5, swalker wrote:
in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Just where in AL? Near Mobile, perhaps?

Management .....
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.


Option 1: If you are within 5-6 hour drive of Lafayette, La., I have 2 picture windows you can have. Each are of a different design, with one being a bit shorter and/or narrower, than the other. One, for sure, is single pane panes. I don't recall if the other is double paned, argon fill gas, low-E, etc. I think both are 9 light sashes (I suppose you are aware they are fixed sashes). Their *sash framing has minor rot along the bottom edge, but should be easily fixable. *These are sashes, only, not the whole window frame. I can take pics to show, however, they are in crowded storage and pics, of the whole, may be difficult to take. I think each's original cost was about $3500, which included the frame.

Option 2: I have 5 sashes, all about 7' tall and 30" wide. I don't recall if they are single light panes, but I think they are. On 4 units, the wooden frames has slight rot (or some wood damage, I don't recall) on one or two edges, but should be easily repairable. The fifth unit is still in the box. I can take pics of these, also. These may be easier to remove from storage, for decent pics. I think each's original cost was about $850.... originally, the wall/window framing was custom built on site, to accommodate the sash-set.

I have quite a few other sashes, also, with similar minor damages.... I think most are argon filled, low-E, etc.

I had saved these sashes, thinking to repair & install them somewhere, eventually, but never have. I might as well offer them to someone who can use them, if the drive is cost effective.

I sometimes go to Mobile, but I don't have immediate plans for a trip anytime soon. I have been contemplating making a trip to NC, for the August 21st solar eclipse, but that's not a sure thing, at the moment.

Sonny
The solar eclipse might change schedule?? - I guess you mean the
trip - - - -

On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 12:42:47 PM UTC-5, Sonny wrote:


Option 1: If you are within 5-6 hour drive of Lafayette, La., I have 2 picture windows you can have.

Correction! You can have one of them.

Sonny

On Sun, 04 Jun 2017 14:22:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 00:05:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/3/2017 10:30 PM, swalker wrote:

The old house we bought 2 years ago has what would be called
"character" if it appeared on one of those HGTV/DIY shows. Somewhere
in the last 40 to 50 years a number of additions/modifications were
made and somebody decided to put a sliding glass door in the kitchen
which was on the front of the house facing a lake. Perhaps because
they had no HVAC and in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Later someone came along and added a screen porch to the house. Later
still another body moved the kitchen to the back of the house and made
the area with the slider a dining room.

The slider has lost it's seal and the inside has turned color so
Management wants to replace the slider. Worker is opposed and wants to
add windows. Management stresses that the area has a low ceiling and
tends to be dark so wins the discussion but in order to keep the peace
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.

Worker is about to suggest that a slider be purchased, taken apart and
the 2 glass pieces be framed to look like 2 picture windows.

Before I offer this idea to Management, is there any reason this can't
be done?

Jim


I'm not sure how you want to situate them. As a door, they overlap to
form an interlocking seal. If you put them side by side on the same
plane, I'm not sure they would fit in the opening tough without the
frame they may.

Would it be cheaper to just build two window frames and have glass set
in place like you'd do on a storefront? Seems that you are going to pay
for a screen, rollers, handle, and track that will be discarded. .I
think I'd talk to the local glass company that does commercial stiff.
Whether the door is ever opened or not, the CHEAPEST and SIMPLEST
solution is to simply replace the slider. What's the downside?????

The downside is the look when all is said and done. It will not cost
me all that much to get the panes installed in a frame and it will
look like a window.

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:42:45 -0700 (PDT), Sonny
wrote:

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 9:30:29 PM UTC-5, swalker wrote:
in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Just where in AL? Near Mobile, perhaps?

Management .....
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.


Option 1: If you are within 5-6 hour drive of Lafayette, La., I have 2 picture windows you can have. Each are of a different design, with one being a bit shorter and/or narrower, than the other. One, for sure, is single pane panes. I don't recall if the other is double paned, argon fill gas, low-E, etc. I think both are 9 light sashes (I suppose you are aware they are fixed sashes). Their *sash framing has minor rot along the bottom edge, but should be easily fixable. *These are sashes, only, not the whole window frame. I can take pics to show, however, they are in crowded storage and pics, of the whole, may be difficult to take. I think each's original cost was about $3500, which included the frame.

Option 2: I have 5 sashes, all about 7' tall and 30" wide. I don't recall if they are single light panes, but I think they are. On 4 units, the wooden frames has slight rot (or some wood damage, I don't recall) on one or two edges, but should be easily repairable. The fifth unit is still in the box. I can take pics of these, also. These may be easier to remove from storage, for decent pics. I think each's original cost was about $850.... originally, the wall/window framing was custom built on site, to accommodate the sash-set.

I have quite a few other sashes, also, with similar minor damages.... I think most are argon filled, low-E, etc.

I had saved these sashes, thinking to repair & install them somewhere, eventually, but never have. I might as well offer them to someone who can use them, if the drive is cost effective.

I sometimes go to Mobile, but I don't have immediate plans for a trip anytime soon. I have been contemplating making a trip to NC, for the August 21st solar eclipse, but that's not a sure thing, at the moment.

Sonny

While free always sound good from my house it is a long drive.

Thanks for the offer.

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:06:21 -0400, John McGaw wrote:

On 6/4/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
It might be
even cheaper to start with slider "replacement cartridges".

Yeah. The local glass guys I normally use have an assortment of thermal
glass panels for emergency repairs on glass doors. Ordering 'custom' for
every broken panel would take far too long and, as you note, there are only
a certain range of sized in common use. I guess the only serious question
would be one of safety and consideration should be given to tempered vs.
non-tempered in any use where the glass extends close to the floor. It
certainly can't hurt to ask what such panels would cost. Framing and
trimming stationary glass should be trivial.

Sliders are about as safe for this propose as you can get. There have
been boatloads of lawsuits over the years and the manufacturers are
pretty well tuned to the safety issues.

On Sun, 04 Jun 2017 14:22:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 00:05:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/3/2017 10:30 PM, swalker wrote:

The old house we bought 2 years ago has what would be called
"character" if it appeared on one of those HGTV/DIY shows. Somewhere
in the last 40 to 50 years a number of additions/modifications were
made and somebody decided to put a sliding glass door in the kitchen
which was on the front of the house facing a lake. Perhaps because
they had no HVAC and in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Later someone came along and added a screen porch to the house. Later
still another body moved the kitchen to the back of the house and made
the area with the slider a dining room.

The slider has lost it's seal and the inside has turned color so
Management wants to replace the slider. Worker is opposed and wants to
add windows. Management stresses that the area has a low ceiling and
tends to be dark so wins the discussion but in order to keep the peace
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.

Worker is about to suggest that a slider be purchased, taken apart and
the 2 glass pieces be framed to look like 2 picture windows.

Before I offer this idea to Management, is there any reason this can't
be done?

Jim


I'm not sure how you want to situate them. As a door, they overlap to
form an interlocking seal. If you put them side by side on the same
plane, I'm not sure they would fit in the opening tough without the
frame they may.

Would it be cheaper to just build two window frames and have glass set
in place like you'd do on a storefront? Seems that you are going to pay
for a screen, rollers, handle, and track that will be discarded. .I
think I'd talk to the local glass company that does commercial stiff.
Whether the door is ever opened or not, the CHEAPEST and SIMPLEST
solution is to simply replace the slider. What's the downside?????

SWMBO?

On Sun, 04 Jun 2017 14:28:37 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:42:45 -0700 (PDT), Sonny
wrote:

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 9:30:29 PM UTC-5, swalker wrote:
in AL you just sort of need it in the summer. Or
maybe the cook wanted a view.

Just where in AL? Near Mobile, perhaps?

Management .....
suggests that 2 large picture windows be used since the slider would
never be opened anyway.

Worker reports the quoted cost of the picture windows and Management
retracts that idea.


Option 1: If you are within 5-6 hour drive of Lafayette, La., I have 2 picture windows you can have. Each are of a different design, with one being a bit shorter and/or narrower, than the other. One, for sure, is single pane panes. I don't recall if the other is double paned, argon fill gas, low-E, etc. I think both are 9 light sashes (I suppose you are aware they are fixed sashes). Their *sash framing has minor rot along the bottom edge, but should be easily fixable. *These are sashes, only, not the whole window frame. I can take pics to show, however, they are in crowded storage and pics, of the whole, may be difficult to take. I think each's original cost was about $3500, which included the frame.

Option 2: I have 5 sashes, all about 7' tall and 30" wide. I don't recall if they are single light panes, but I think they are. On 4 units, the wooden frames has slight rot (or some wood damage, I don't recall) on one or two edges, but should be easily repairable. The fifth unit is still in the box. I can take pics of these, also. These may be easier to remove from storage, for decent pics. I think each's original cost was about $850.... originally, the wall/window framing was custom built on site, to accommodate the sash-set.

I have quite a few other sashes, also, with similar minor damages.... I think most are argon filled, low-E, etc.

I had saved these sashes, thinking to repair & install them somewhere, eventually, but never have. I might as well offer them to someone who can use them, if the drive is cost effective.

I sometimes go to Mobile, but I don't have immediate plans for a trip anytime soon. I have been contemplating making a trip to NC, for the August 21st solar eclipse, but that's not a sure thing, at the moment.

Sonny
The solar eclipse might change schedule?? - I guess you mean the
trip - - - -

The eclipse could be eclipsed by clouds. Or, if you believe the AGW
crowd, since trump backed out of the Paris Agreement, the world will
end before that.