A little pricey but no more than a PM.

Anyway No belts, electronic speed control, programmable to stop drilling
at a certain depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENqg-jX-6s

On 11/29/2016 5:07 PM, Leon wrote:
A little pricey but no more than a PM.

Anyway No belts, electronic speed control, programmable to stop drilling
at a certain depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENqg-jX-6s


Crap, that happened to play next on my end.

http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/no...ress-features/

On 11/29/2016 6:07 PM, Leon wrote:
A little pricey but no more than a PM.

Anyway No belts, electronic speed control, programmable to stop drilling
at a certain depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENqg-jX-6s


Nifty. Next time I find an extra $1499 in the checking account I'm
going to order one.

Leon wrote:
A little pricey but no more than a PM.

Anyway No belts, electronic speed control, programmable to stop drilling
at a certain depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENqg-jX-6s

I love my Nova electronic lathe, but admit all those push buttons are
daunting to my age and eyes. I often push the wrong button in the
heat of the moment, and a weird menu pops up unexpectedly. Then I
have to figure out how to back out of that. Sometimes it is by
turning the whole shooting match off and then re-booting. At least it
has a toggle on and off switch. And I get no joy in watching the
speedometer zip up and down as it checks the speed every nanosecond.
What if I put a fly cutter on it and absentmindedly set the speed at
5000 rpm? I would need a Kevlar vest to drill a hole.

--
GW Ross

Sincerity? I can fake that. - Hawkeye
Pierce

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:42:10 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/no...ress-features/

Nice. I'd love to have one of those.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 11/29/2016 5:07 PM, Leon wrote:
A little pricey but no more than a PM.

Anyway No belts, electronic speed control, programmable to stop drilling
at a certain depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENqg-jX-6s


Crap, that happened to play next on my end.

http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/no...ress-features/

Nice, but if I can pick a nit, that is not a "touch screen interface".

On 11/29/2016 7:13 PM, G. Ross wrote:
Leon wrote:
A little pricey but no more than a PM.

Anyway No belts, electronic speed control, programmable to stop drilling
at a certain depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENqg-jX-6s

I love my Nova electronic lathe, but admit all those push buttons are
daunting to my age and eyes. I often push the wrong button in the heat
of the moment, and a weird menu pops up unexpectedly. Then I have to
figure out how to back out of that. Sometimes it is by turning the
whole shooting match off and then re-booting. At least it has a toggle
on and off switch. And I get no joy in watching the speedometer zip up
and down as it checks the speed every nanosecond.

Obviously not for every one.



What if I put a fly cutter on it and absentmindedly set the speed at
5000 rpm? I would need a Kevlar vest to drill a hole.


What if you put a fly cutter on it and forget to change the belts to a
lower speed? You cannot fault the DP for your haste or mistake.

On 11/29/2016 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:42:10 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/no...ress-features/

Nice. I'd love to have one of those.



Expensive but not out of line, a Powermatic DP will run a a little bit
less with much fewer features.

"G. Ross" wrote in
:

I love my Nova electronic lathe, but admit all those push buttons are
daunting to my age and eyes.

I can see the value of electronic speed control on a
lathe. Not sure I really see it as being useful on
a drill press - even for metal working, close is good
enough, and if it bogs down that's telling you something,
and "more power" probably isn't the right answer.

John

On 11/30/2016 2:18 PM, John McCoy wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote in
:

I love my Nova electronic lathe, but admit all those push buttons are
daunting to my age and eyes.

I can see the value of electronic speed control on a
lathe. Not sure I really see it as being useful on
a drill press - even for metal working, close is good
enough, and if it bogs down that's telling you something,
and "more power" probably isn't the right answer.

John



Well possibly, if you do not often use a DP much, close is good enough,
Forster bits do like to be spun at particular speeds and while precise
is not necessary the speed control dial beats the dickens out of having
to move belts around, and if you can dial the correct speed, why not.

Bogging down on a DP with belt drive can equally mean you have chosen
the wrong speed/belt combination for a particular soft or hard wood
regardless of feed rate.

There is a big difference in resistance from a 35mm Forstner bit
drilling into plywood, MDF, poplar and or white oak, to name a few.

John McCoy wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote in
:

I love my Nova electronic lathe, but admit all those push buttons are
daunting to my age and eyes.

I can see the value of electronic speed control on a
lathe. Not sure I really see it as being useful on
a drill press - even for metal working, close is good
enough, and if it bogs down that's telling you something,
and "more power" probably isn't the right answer.

John

My lathe will go up to 3000 rpm, but I don't think I have ever used
it at that speed. Why would you need 5500 rpm on a drill press, other
than to impress the neighbors? It is like having a car in the garage
that will do 300 mph, but no place to safely go that fast.
In my time I have seen chucks fall out of the quill, chuck keys left
in the chuck and bits that were not centered before tightening. But
never at these speeds.

--
GW Ross

If you think you've found it, keep looking.

On 11/30/2016 4:04 PM, Leon wrote:
On 11/30/2016 2:18 PM, John McCoy wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote in
:

I love my Nova electronic lathe, but admit all those push buttons are
daunting to my age and eyes.

I can see the value of electronic speed control on a
lathe. Not sure I really see it as being useful on
a drill press - even for metal working, close is good
enough, and if it bogs down that's telling you something,
and "more power" probably isn't the right answer.

John



Well possibly, if you do not often use a DP much, close is good enough,
Forster bits do like to be spun at particular speeds and while precise
is not necessary the speed control dial beats the dickens out of having
to move belts around, and if you can dial the correct speed, why not.

Bogging down on a DP with belt drive can equally mean you have chosen
the wrong speed/belt combination for a particular soft or hard wood
regardless of feed rate.

There is a big difference in resistance from a 35mm Forstner bit
drilling into plywood, MDF, poplar and or white oak, to name a few.

I'm with John on this, and I use my DP very often. Both for wood and metal.

I just don't need it. Would it be easier to adjust speeds, hell yea. But
do I need it.. no... A reeves drive would also provide the same ability
to set speed easily.

I also take the belt off and use the spindle to tap, it keeps the tap
straight, so there are no problems. Can't do that with direct drive,
and I doubt that free wheels easily.

--
Jeff

On 11/30/2016 4:09 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 11/30/2016 4:04 PM, Leon wrote:
On 11/30/2016 2:18 PM, John McCoy wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote in
:

I love my Nova electronic lathe, but admit all those push buttons are
daunting to my age and eyes.

I can see the value of electronic speed control on a
lathe. Not sure I really see it as being useful on
a drill press - even for metal working, close is good
enough, and if it bogs down that's telling you something,
and "more power" probably isn't the right answer.

John



Well possibly, if you do not often use a DP much, close is good enough,
Forster bits do like to be spun at particular speeds and while precise
is not necessary the speed control dial beats the dickens out of having
to move belts around, and if you can dial the correct speed, why not.

Bogging down on a DP with belt drive can equally mean you have chosen
the wrong speed/belt combination for a particular soft or hard wood
regardless of feed rate.

There is a big difference in resistance from a 35mm Forstner bit
drilling into plywood, MDF, poplar and or white oak, to name a few.

I'm with John on this, and I use my DP very often. Both for wood and metal.

I just don't need it. Would it be easier to adjust speeds, hell yea. But
do I need it.. no... A reeves drive would also provide the same ability
to set speed easily.


I also take the belt off and use the spindle to tap, it keeps the tap
straight, so there are no problems. Can't do that with direct drive,
and I doubt that free wheels easily.


I do this on my DP but I don't take the belt off. I can't see why you
would not be able to do this with direct drive.

On 2016-11-30, John McCoy wrote:

Not sure I really see it as being useful on
a drill press - even for metal working, close is good
enough..........

Fer carbon steel, the avg drill speed fer a 1/2" twist bit is about
600 RPM. Avg drill speed fer a 1/16" twist drill, in the same
material, is about 3000 RPM.

Somehow, I don't think 3000 RPM is hardly "close" fer a 1/2" twist
drill.

nb

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 1:57:53 PM UTC-8, G. Ross wrote:
John McCoy wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote in
:

I can see the value of electronic speed control on a
lathe. Not sure I really see it as being useful on
a drill press - even for metal working, close is good
enough

My lathe will go up to 3000 rpm, but I don't think I have ever used
it at that speed. Why would you need 5500 rpm on a drill press, other
than to impress the neighbors?

It depends on what you're drilling. I've used drill presses on plastic by
hand-turning the chuck, and have also had drilling operations that only
worked well at 4000 to 6000 rpm (and the drill had to be heavy duty cobalt).

notbob wrote in :

On 2016-11-30, John McCoy wrote:

Not sure I really see it as being useful on
a drill press - even for metal working, close is good
enough..........

Fer carbon steel, the avg drill speed fer a 1/2" twist bit is about
600 RPM. Avg drill speed fer a 1/16" twist drill, in the same
material, is about 3000 RPM.

Somehow, I don't think 3000 RPM is hardly "close" fer a 1/2" twist
drill.

No, it wouldn't be. But what I meant was the speeds you
get with stepped pulleys are close enough...you may figure
600 is "right", but 550 or 625 will get the job done. And
if you get 2750 instead of 3000 with the belt on the other
set of pulleys, that's probably good enough too.

But really the point I was getting at is the electronic
control will ramp the power up & down to keep the speed
constant. I can see that being useful on a lathe. But
I don't see it being that useful on a drill press, and
as I said if a drill press bogs it's probably telling
you there's a problem with what you're doing.

John

On 2016-12-01, John McCoy wrote:

as I said if a drill press bogs it's probably telling
you there's a problem with what you're doing.

Really? That's yer answer?

Boy, have I been edified or what!?

nb

On 11/30/2016 8:43 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2016-12-01, John McCoy wrote:

as I said if a drill press bogs it's probably telling
you there's a problem with what you're doing.

Really? That's yer answer?

Boy, have I been edified or what!?

nb



It is telling you that electronic speed control is better than not.

On 2016-12-01, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 11/30/2016 8:43 PM, notbob wrote:

On 2016-12-01, John McCoy wrote:

you there's a problem with what you're doing.

Really? That's yer answer? Boy, have I been edified or what!?

It is telling you that electronic speed control is better than not.

Yahbut! ....according to John, you only need one speed ....as long as
you know what you are doing.

nb

On 1 Dec 2016 13:14:17 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2016-12-01, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 11/30/2016 8:43 PM, notbob wrote:

On 2016-12-01, John McCoy wrote:

you there's a problem with what you're doing.

Really? That's yer answer? Boy, have I been edified or what!?

It is telling you that electronic speed control is better than not.

Yahbut! ....according to John, you only need one speed ....as long as
you know what you are doing.

JOHN: No, it wouldn't be. But what I meant was the speeds you
JOHN: get with stepped pulleys are close enough...you may figure
JOHN: 600 is "right", but 550 or 625 will get the job done. And
JOHN: if you get 2750 instead of 3000 with the belt on the other
JOHN: set of pulleys, that's probably good enough too.

At least the way I read the above simple sentences that you were
responding to, it doesn't sound like John thinks "you only need one
speed".

On 12/1/2016 7:14 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2016-12-01, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 11/30/2016 8:43 PM, notbob wrote:

On 2016-12-01, John McCoy wrote:

you there's a problem with what you're doing.

Really? That's yer answer? Boy, have I been edified or what!?

It is telling you that electronic speed control is better than not.

Yahbut! ....according to John, you only need one speed ....as long as
you know what you are doing.

nb



Well John is right if a few speeds are giving what he considers
acceptable results.

Others may be more picky and or don't relish switching belts often. Put
me in that camp.

notbob wrote in :

Boy, have I been edified or what!?

Dunno, have you? :-)

So what's your opinion - is precision speed control useful
on a drill press, and if so why?

John

On 2016-12-01, John McCoy wrote:

So what's your opinion - is precision speed control useful
on a drill press, and if so why?

It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

I understand what "close" means. That's when one outta five pulley
speeds is 600rpm and you need 500rpm. It's NOT when you need 500rpm
and you only have 3000rpm. IOW, 100rpm diff is "close enough", but
2500rpm diff is not even remotely "close".

Hope this clears it up.

nb

On 12/1/2016 2:30 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2016-12-01, John McCoy wrote:

So what's your opinion - is precision speed control useful
on a drill press, and if so why?

It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

I understand what "close" means. That's when one outta five pulley
speeds is 600rpm and you need 500rpm. It's NOT when you need 500rpm
and you only have 3000rpm. IOW, 100rpm diff is "close enough", but
2500rpm diff is not even remotely "close".

Hope this clears it up.

nb


I don't think precision is that necessary.
I have a 12 or 16 speed, don't remember.. I use probably 4-5 regularly.
Mostly with metal. With wood probably 3 speeds.

I think metal workers have more of a need to vary speed, as: you can
break a bit, burn it up, not have enough torque, not have enough heat
(yes I said not have enough). Certain metals require higher speeds, and
most carbide bits require higher sped.

But with wood, I'd be very hard pressed to say that even a few hundred
rpm would matter, to me it's just slow , medium and fast... (not even
the fastest my dp can go).


--
Jeff

On 12/1/2016 3:24 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 12/1/2016 2:30 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2016-12-01, John McCoy wrote:

So what's your opinion - is precision speed control useful
on a drill press, and if so why?

It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

I understand what "close" means. That's when one outta five pulley
speeds is 600rpm and you need 500rpm. It's NOT when you need 500rpm
and you only have 3000rpm. IOW, 100rpm diff is "close enough", but
2500rpm diff is not even remotely "close".

Hope this clears it up.

nb


I don't think precision is that necessary.
I DON'T THINK PRECISION SPEED is THAT necessary. I do think a straight
accurate hole is.:-)
I have a 12 or 16 speed, don't remember.. I use probably 4-5 regularly.
Mostly with metal. With wood probably 3 speeds.

I think metal workers have more of a need to vary speed, as: you can
break a bit, burn it up, not have enough torque, not have enough heat
(yes I said not have enough). Certain metals require higher speeds, and
most carbide bits require higher sped.

But with wood, I'd be very hard pressed to say that even a few hundred
rpm would matter, to me it's just slow , medium and fast... (not even
the fastest my dp can go).




--
Jeff

On 12/1/2016 12:11 PM, John McCoy wrote:
notbob wrote in :

Boy, have I been edified or what!?

Dunno, have you? :-)

So what's your opinion - is precision speed control useful
on a drill press, and if so why?

John


INHO speed control as in maintaining the speed is more important than an
infinite number of speeds.

Drilling 60~70 35mm holes in oak can be quite tedious if you have to
baby the feed rate.

On 1 Dec 2016 19:30:29 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2016-12-01, John McCoy wrote:

So what's your opinion - is precision speed control useful
on a drill press, and if so why?

It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!

I understand what "close" means. That's when one outta five pulley
speeds is 600rpm and you need 500rpm. It's NOT when you need 500rpm
and you only have 3000rpm. IOW, 100rpm diff is "close enough", but
2500rpm diff is not even remotely "close".

No one made that argument (i.e. a strawman).

Hope this clears it up.

nb

On 12/1/2016 10:10 AM, Leon wrote:

It is telling you that electronic speed control is better than not.

Yahbut! ....according to John, you only need one speed ....as long as
you know what you are doing.

nb



Well John is right if a few speeds are giving what he considers
acceptable results.

Others may be more picky and or don't relish switching belts often. Put
me in that camp.

Drilling one or two holes? Yeah, I can get it done at 500 rpm or 5,000
rpm. Drilling many holes on a production basis? If I can get a better
hole in less time a 2257 rpm than at 2260 rpm the accurate control is
wonderful.

We tend to look at tools such as this in how it will work for our needs
and forget a shop in another place is using it for hundreds of holes a day.

notbob wrote

Yahbut! ....according to John, you only need one speed ....as long
as you know what you are doing.

Just for clarity, I never said that. Notbob appears to have
misunderstood my first comment, and now that's stuck in his
brain.

John

On 11/29/2016 6:07 PM, Leon wrote:
A little pricey but no more than a PM.

Anyway No belts, electronic speed control, programmable to stop drilling at
a certain depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENqg-jX-6s

A new kind of drill press but one which must be paid for with the old kind
of money. I've been getting by with a refurbished Delta bought from their
clearance center in Pigeon Forge. Sure, it is noisy and the speed is a
bitch to change and the depth stop is a PITA and the quill has a bit of
wobble when fully extended but I figure that it has cost me about $10 per
year to own since 1998. If somebody gives me a lottery ticket and it
happens to hit the big jackpot maybe I'll look at the new type (if I'm not
too old to use it).

On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 10:27:25 AM UTC-5, John McGaw wrote:
On 11/29/2016 6:07 PM, Leon wrote:
A little pricey but no more than a PM.

Anyway No belts, electronic speed control, programmable to stop drilling at
a certain depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENqg-jX-6s

A new kind of drill press but one which must be paid for with the old kind
of money. I've been getting by with a refurbished Delta bought from their
clearance center in Pigeon Forge. Sure, it is noisy and the speed is a
bitch to change and the depth stop is a PITA and the quill has a bit of
wobble when fully extended but I figure that it has cost me about $10 per
year to own since 1998. If somebody gives me a lottery ticket and it
happens to hit the big jackpot maybe I'll look at the new type (if I'm not
too old to use it).

If somebody gives me a lottery ticket and it happens to hit the big
jackpot maybe I'll get you to do my drilling for me. ;-)

On 12/2/2016 9:27 AM, John McGaw wrote:
On 11/29/2016 6:07 PM, Leon wrote:
A little pricey but no more than a PM.

Anyway No belts, electronic speed control, programmable to stop
drilling at
a certain depth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENqg-jX-6s

A new kind of drill press but one which must be paid for with the old
kind of money. I've been getting by with a refurbished Delta bought
from their clearance center in Pigeon Forge. Sure, it is noisy and the
speed is a bitch to change and the depth stop is a PITA and the quill
has a bit of wobble when fully extended but I figure that it has cost me
about $10 per year to own since 1998. If somebody gives me a lottery
ticket and it happens to hit the big jackpot maybe I'll look at the new
type (if I'm not too old to use it).


Obviously not for every one.

On 12/2/2016 10:27 AM, John McGaw wrote:

A new kind of drill press but one which must be paid for with the old
kind of money. I've been getting by with a refurbished Delta bought
from their clearance center in Pigeon Forge. Sure, it is noisy and the
speed is a bitch to change and the depth stop is a PITA and the quill
has a bit of wobble when fully extended but I figure that it has cost me
about $10 per year to own since 1998. If somebody gives me a lottery
ticket and it happens to hit the big jackpot maybe I'll look at the new
type (if I'm not too old to use it).

My drill press is a King-Seely and I've been using it for 40 years in my
cabinet shop, and it was born 20 years before that. I rarely ever change
speeds unless doing something highly unusual, like using a fly cutter,
something I've used maybe 4 times in 40 years, and at least one of those
I didn't bother changing speeds. I've never once longed for a speed
control like this, and to me it's mind boggling that one can bog down a
drill press, power has never once been an issue for me. I would like
the depth control thing-ee. (I'd like the speed thing to, but that
doesn't excite me as much as the depth control)

The two things I don't like about my DP is raising and lowering the
table. I'd like that to be electric, or on a ratcheting gear type
device. The other is I would prefer a bench top rather than floor
model. I never really needed the DP to drill into the end of a 4' board,
and when I do, I use other methods. The floor model takes up valuable
space, I would prefer to have my DP sit on top of a nice cabinet full of
tools and stuff.

Any how, this looks nice, not needed much but I would trade my
King-Seely for this sucker, but I bet it's life is measured in years
rather than decades:-) For me, unless you have a specific need, or have
an oil well in your back yard, you would be better off spending the
extra cash on a segmented, spiral cutter head for your planer and or
jointer.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

Jack writes:

The two things I don't like about my DP is raising and lowering the
table. I'd like that to be electric, or on a ratcheting gear type
device. The other is I would prefer a bench top rather than floor
model. I never really needed the DP to drill into the end of a 4' board,
and when I do, I use other methods. The floor model takes up valuable
space, I would prefer to have my DP sit on top of a nice cabinet full of
tools and stuff.

To be fair, nothing prevents you from building a "nice cabinet full
of tools and stuff" that lives under the drill press table. It could
even be on casters so you can slide it in (leave a hollow in the back
and bottom for the drill press post/stand).

On 12/5/2016 8:49 AM, Jack wrote:
On 12/2/2016 10:27 AM, John McGaw wrote:

A new kind of drill press but one which must be paid for with the old
kind of money. I've been getting by with a refurbished Delta bought
from their clearance center in Pigeon Forge. Sure, it is noisy and the
speed is a bitch to change and the depth stop is a PITA and the quill
has a bit of wobble when fully extended but I figure that it has cost me
about $10 per year to own since 1998. If somebody gives me a lottery
ticket and it happens to hit the big jackpot maybe I'll look at the new
type (if I'm not too old to use it).

My drill press is a King-Seely and I've been using it for 40 years in my
cabinet shop, and it was born 20 years before that. I rarely ever change
speeds unless doing something highly unusual, like using a fly cutter,
something I've used maybe 4 times in 40 years, and at least one of those
I didn't bother changing speeds. I've never once longed for a speed
control like this, and to me it's mind boggling that one can bog down a
drill press, power has never once been an issue for me. I would like
the depth control thing-ee. (I'd like the speed thing to, but that
doesn't excite me as much as the depth control)

The two things I don't like about my DP is raising and lowering the
table. I'd like that to be electric, or on a ratcheting gear type
device. The other is I would prefer a bench top rather than floor
model. I never really needed the DP to drill into the end of a 4' board,
and when I do, I use other methods. The floor model takes up valuable
space, I would prefer to have my DP sit on top of a nice cabinet full of
tools and stuff.

The crank on my Delta beets the pants off of a manual adjust but I would
prefer a better locking set up, tightening a lever on the opposite side
is some what of a PIA but necessary. My old rockwell used a double
pinch insert that would go from loose to tight in about 1/2 turn, my
Delta requires about 1.5 turns.


I have had both bench top and now the floor model, my previous was a
Rockewll radial. I now have a Delta floor model and much prefer this
over the bench top. While the floor model takes up floor space, the
bench top either uses up table top space or floor space if on a stand.

The Rockwell had 4 belt speeds, I am clueless how many the Delta has but
12+. While these speeds pretty much handle what I want changing is a
PIA, w belts to change and sometimes the belts have to come off to trade
height positions, so I simply do not change speeds as often as I would
like. About 8 years ago I used the Powermatic VS DP, IIRC it had a
reeves drive and was shockingly noisy. IIRC they have change this on
the most recent model.

I find that I change speeds on the Delta way more often than I did on
the old Rockwell and simply because the desired speeds are closer to
required but not because of convenience.






Any how, this looks nice, not needed much but I would trade my
King-Seely for this sucker, but I bet it's life is measured in years
rather than decades:-) For me, unless you have a specific need, or have
an oil well in your back yard, you would be better off spending the
extra cash on a segmented, spiral cutter head for your planer and or
jointer.


I have read a few times recently the segmented spiral head cutters do
not leave as smooth of fresh surface as a non-segmented spiral cutter.
There is always a bubble to be popped. ;~(

On 12/5/2016 10:37 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Jack writes:

The two things I don't like about my DP is raising and lowering the
table. I'd like that to be electric, or on a ratcheting gear type
device. The other is I would prefer a bench top rather than floor
model. I never really needed the DP to drill into the end of a 4' board,
and when I do, I use other methods. The floor model takes up valuable
space, I would prefer to have my DP sit on top of a nice cabinet full of
tools and stuff.

To be fair, nothing prevents you from building a "nice cabinet full
of tools and stuff" that lives under the drill press table. It could
even be on casters so you can slide it in (leave a hollow in the back
and bottom for the drill press post/stand).



Great Idea and the plan is in motion. ;~)

On 12/5/2016 9:49 AM, Jack wrote:
On 12/2/2016 10:27 AM, John McGaw wrote:

A new kind of drill press but one which must be paid for with the old
kind of money. I've been getting by with a refurbished Delta bought
from their clearance center in Pigeon Forge. Sure, it is noisy and the
speed is a bitch to change and the depth stop is a PITA and the quill
has a bit of wobble when fully extended but I figure that it has cost me
about $10 per year to own since 1998. If somebody gives me a lottery
ticket and it happens to hit the big jackpot maybe I'll look at the new
type (if I'm not too old to use it).

My drill press is a King-Seely and I've been using it for 40 years in my
cabinet shop, and it was born 20 years before that. I rarely ever change
speeds unless doing something highly unusual, like using a fly cutter,
something I've used maybe 4 times in 40 years, and at least one of those
I didn't bother changing speeds. I've never once longed for a speed
control like this, and to me it's mind boggling that one can bog down a
drill press, power has never once been an issue for me. I would like
the depth control thing-ee. (I'd like the speed thing to, but that
doesn't excite me as much as the depth control)

The two things I don't like about my DP is raising and lowering the
table. I'd like that to be electric, or on a ratcheting gear type
device. The other is I would prefer a bench top rather than floor
model. I never really needed the DP to drill into the end of a 4' board,
and when I do, I use other methods. The floor model takes up valuable
space, I would prefer to have my DP sit on top of a nice cabinet full of
tools and stuff.

Any how, this looks nice, not needed much but I would trade my
King-Seely for this sucker, but I bet it's life is measured in years
rather than decades:-) For me, unless you have a specific need, or have
an oil well in your back yard, you would be better off spending the
extra cash on a segmented, spiral cutter head for your planer and or
jointer.


Jack, I've got that electric lift, and a front locking wheel.
See this: http://imgur.com/a/KJXDI

But me thinks you contradicted yourself a few times. you rarely change
speeds but "I'd like the speed thing to, but that
doesn't excite me as much as the depth control)"

I would probably agree about the benchtop vs floor standing. But if you
ever need it...

I also have a digital depth DRO.. on the cheap. I'll have to dig up pics.


--
Jeff

On 12/5/2016 11:37 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Jack writes:

The two things I don't like about my DP is raising and lowering the
table. I'd like that to be electric, or on a ratcheting gear type
device. The other is I would prefer a bench top rather than floor
model. I never really needed the DP to drill into the end of a 4' board,
and when I do, I use other methods. The floor model takes up valuable
space, I would prefer to have my DP sit on top of a nice cabinet full of
tools and stuff.

To be fair, nothing prevents you from building a "nice cabinet full
of tools and stuff" that lives under the drill press table. It could
even be on casters so you can slide it in (leave a hollow in the back
and bottom for the drill press post/stand)

Nothing other than a 3" steel pipe going thru the middle of the cabinet.

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Jack
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On 12/5/2016 12:29 PM, Leon wrote:

I have had both bench top and now the floor model, my previous was a
Rockewll radial. I now have a Delta floor model and much prefer this
over the bench top. While the floor model takes up floor space, the
bench top either uses up table top space or floor space if on a stand.

The bench top doesn't take up floor space if it sits on to of a cabinet
where no cabinet existed when the floor model was there. I just have
never found value to the floor model which I've had for 40 years. I at
the end of my woodworking career, so won't be replacing what has worked
for all these years, just pointing out what my view is on the subject.

The Rockwell had 4 belt speeds, I am clueless how many the Delta has but
12+. While these speeds pretty much handle what I want changing is a
PIA, w belts to change and sometimes the belts have to come off to trade
height positions, so I simply do not change speeds as often as I would
like. About 8 years ago I used the Powermatic VS DP, IIRC it had a
reeves drive and was shockingly noisy. IIRC they have change this on
the most recent model.

I rarely, very rarely change speeds and I've drilled holes in about
everything imaginable, but 95% wood. I bet I would get in more trouble
if I had the NOVA with infinite speeds available at my fingertips.

Any how, this looks nice, not needed much but I would trade my
King-Seely for this sucker, but I bet it's life is measured in years
rather than decades:-) For me, unless you have a specific need, or have
an oil well in your back yard, you would be better off spending the
extra cash on a segmented, spiral cutter head for your planer and or
jointer.

I have read a few times recently the segmented spiral head cutters do
not leave as smooth of fresh surface as a non-segmented spiral cutter.
There is always a bubble to be popped. ;~(

Mine leaves super smooth cuts in anything, regardless of knots or grain
direction. I call BS to those saying this, and I don't even have a high
end machine. I suspect whomever said this is out to lunch, and has his
head stuck far up a book somewhere. Just ain't so in real life.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 12/5/2016 11:30 PM, woodchucker wrote:


Jack, I've got that electric lift, and a front locking wheel.
See this: http://imgur.com/a/KJXDI

But me thinks you contradicted yourself a few times. you rarely change
speeds but "I'd like the speed thing to, but that
doesn't excite me as much as the depth control)"

I would probably agree about the benchtop vs floor standing. But if you
ever need it...

I also have a digital depth DRO.. on the cheap. I'll have to dig up pics.

Looks cool woodchucker. Love the ingenuity. My DP just has a sleeve
that slides up and down the post. It's a real bear, and gets harder has
I age. I should have replace the DP years ago, the ain't that much
money, other than this newfangled NOVA. Wonder if they have a bench top
model?

I never owned a bench top DP myself, but I can't say I ever needed the
floor model for anything a bench top couldn't do. I vaguely remember
flipping my table to vertical and drilling a hole in the end of a long
4x4, but that was a long, long time ago, and I did it because I could.
Never repeated it. I'm sure there are people that need this feature,
but nowhere near as many as purchase a giant floor model. I guess about
99.999% of holes I drill is in stuff that easily fit on a bench model.

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Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
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