never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools

have done it when someone was in a bind or just needed something
briefly and i could help


but i figure it is better to avoid either to keep things in good
standing


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad

On 8/31/2016 1:31 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools

have done it when someone was in a bind or just needed something
briefly and i could help


but i figure it is better to avoid either to keep things in good
standing


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad




I have loaned many a tool.
These days, I am a little more reluctant.
My best friend borrowed my Makita grinder, it was like new. It came back
with cracked casting, he broke the lock to get the wheels off, and it
has been run through the ringer, all this black sticky **** all over it.

He returned it, and told me he liked it so much he bought a new one for
himself. WTF?

I loaned a lawn roller to my other friend, I haven't gotten it back yet.
It's been 6 months, I asked him if he had used it yet, and no he hasn't.
I said I like it back multiple times and he says when he's done.


So needless to say, I think I am done loaning.

I wound up replacing my makita with a HF unit. So far I'm pretty happy,
bought 3 of them for $9.99. Would still think he should have replaced
the totally F'd up makita and kept that one.


--
Jeff

On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 3:16:42 PM UTC-4, woodchucker wrote:
On 8/31/2016 1:31 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools

have done it when someone was in a bind or just needed something
briefly and i could help


but i figure it is better to avoid either to keep things in good
standing


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad




I have loaned many a tool.
These days, I am a little more reluctant.
My best friend borrowed my Makita grinder, it was like new. It came back
with cracked casting, he broke the lock to get the wheels off, and it
has been run through the ringer, all this black sticky **** all over it.

He returned it, and told me he liked it so much he bought a new one for
himself. WTF?

I loaned a lawn roller to my other friend, I haven't gotten it back yet.
It's been 6 months, I asked him if he had used it yet, and no he hasn't.
I said I like it back multiple times and he says when he's done.


So needless to say, I think I am done loaning.

I wound up replacing my makita with a HF unit. So far I'm pretty happy,
bought 3 of them for $9.99. Would still think he should have replaced
the totally F'd up makita and kept that one.


--
Jeff

Jeff,
If he is truly your best friend:
a. He would have never returned the tool in that condition and
b. You should have no problem educating him on proper tool care/responsibility...

On 8/31/2016 3:57 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 3:16:42 PM UTC-4, woodchucker wrote:
On 8/31/2016 1:31 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools

have done it when someone was in a bind or just needed something
briefly and i could help


but i figure it is better to avoid either to keep things in good
standing


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad




I have loaned many a tool.
These days, I am a little more reluctant.
My best friend borrowed my Makita grinder, it was like new. It came back
with cracked casting, he broke the lock to get the wheels off, and it
has been run through the ringer, all this black sticky **** all over it.

He returned it, and told me he liked it so much he bought a new one for
himself. WTF?

I loaned a lawn roller to my other friend, I haven't gotten it back yet.
It's been 6 months, I asked him if he had used it yet, and no he hasn't.
I said I like it back multiple times and he says when he's done.


So needless to say, I think I am done loaning.

I wound up replacing my makita with a HF unit. So far I'm pretty happy,
bought 3 of them for $9.99. Would still think he should have replaced
the totally F'd up makita and kept that one.


--
Jeff

Jeff,
If he is truly your best friend:
a. He would have never returned the tool in that condition and
b. You should have no problem educating him on proper tool care/responsibility...


You may have something there. I would never have returned a tool that way.

--
Jeff

On 8/31/2016 1:31 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools

have done it when someone was in a bind or just needed something
briefly and i could help


but i figure it is better to avoid either to keep things in good
standing


Want to borrow a tool? Oh, I'll cut/chop/tighten/loosen it for you.



a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad

If you can't afford to give it as a gift you can't afford to "lend" it
either.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:21:12 -0400
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Want to borrow a tool? Oh, I'll cut/chop/tighten/loosen it for you.

yeah that is the way to do it

If you can't afford to give it as a gift you can't afford to "lend"
it either.

that has been my approach and it works great to keep some people away

you loan them the money knowing they will probably not pay you back
they will do everything in their power to avoid you after that

known as a blessing in disguise

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:16:34 -0400
woodchucker wrote:

He returned it, and told me he liked it so much he bought a new one
for himself. WTF?

exactly why it usually does not work

yet. It's been 6 months, I asked him if he had used it yet, and no he
hasn't. I said I like it back multiple times and he says when he's
done.

sounds like two strained friendships right there

So needless to say, I think I am done loaning.

yup

I wound up replacing my makita with a HF unit. So far I'm pretty
happy, bought 3 of them for $9.99. Would still think he should have
replaced the totally F'd up makita and kept that one.

i might have proposed that idea to him in clear terms that are easy
to understand and not misconstrue in any way

i do not have a makita grinder but if i get a grinder it will be a
makita

they seemed to have nailed this tool niche

On 2016-08-31 4:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/31/2016 1:31 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools

have done it when someone was in a bind or just needed something
briefly and i could help


but i figure it is better to avoid either to keep things in good
standing


Want to borrow a tool? Oh, I'll cut/chop/tighten/loosen it for you.



a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad

If you can't afford to give it as a gift you can't afford to "lend" it
either.

I have a neighbour of nearly 20 years, he has a ton of tools. I have
asked him if he had things in the past, he usually said, what are you
doing?, would grab the tool, come over to my place, do the job, and take
the tool back home with him. He is over 80 now, I buy or rent the
missing tool. Rather share a beer and chat, than go down that road.

--
Froz....

I have two sets of some tools. My tools and loaner tools. I will help people
by doing some operations that need my tools to do the work. If people want to
fix or build something themselves, they can borrow my loaner grade tools or buy
their own. The loaner tools are things I will never miss if they don't come
back, but I do keep track of who has what.




On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:31:34 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:


never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:16:34 -0400, woodchucker
wrote:

On 8/31/2016 1:31 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools

have done it when someone was in a bind or just needed something
briefly and i could help


but i figure it is better to avoid either to keep things in good
standing


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad




I have loaned many a tool.
These days, I am a little more reluctant.
My best friend borrowed my Makita grinder, it was like new. It came back
with cracked casting, he broke the lock to get the wheels off, and it
has been run through the ringer, all this black sticky **** all over it.

He returned it, and told me he liked it so much he bought a new one for
himself. WTF?

I loaned a lawn roller to my other friend, I haven't gotten it back yet.
It's been 6 months, I asked him if he had used it yet, and no he hasn't.
I said I like it back multiple times and he says when he's done.


So needless to say, I think I am done loaning.

I wound up replacing my makita with a HF unit. So far I'm pretty happy,
bought 3 of them for $9.99. Would still think he should have replaced
the totally F'd up makita and kept that one.
Did you tell him so???

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:51:50 -0500, Roy
wrote:



I have two sets of some tools. My tools and loaner tools. I will help people
by doing some operations that need my tools to do the work. If people want to
fix or build something themselves, they can borrow my loaner grade tools or buy
their own. The loaner tools are things I will never miss if they don't come
back, but I do keep track of who has what.




On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:31:34 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:


never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad


Take a "security deposit". You want my skil saw, bring me your lawn
mower. I get my saw, you get your mower.

Make sure it's something he will need in the next couple of weeks.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:16:34 -0400, woodchucker
wrote:

On 8/31/2016 1:31 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools

have done it when someone was in a bind or just needed something
briefly and i could help


but i figure it is better to avoid either to keep things in good
standing


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad




I have loaned many a tool.
These days, I am a little more reluctant.
My best friend borrowed my Makita grinder, it was like new. It came back
with cracked casting, he broke the lock to get the wheels off, and it
has been run through the ringer, all this black sticky **** all over it.

He returned it, and told me he liked it so much he bought a new one for
himself. WTF?

I loaned a lawn roller to my other friend, I haven't gotten it back yet.
It's been 6 months, I asked him if he had used it yet, and no he hasn't.
I said I like it back multiple times and he says when he's done.


So needless to say, I think I am done loaning.

I wound up replacing my makita with a HF unit. So far I'm pretty happy,
bought 3 of them for $9.99. Would still think he should have replaced
the totally F'd up makita and kept that one.

I keep a bunch of sacrificial HF multimeters around so people don't
borrow my Flukes. The Flukes are kept out of sight.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:51:50 -0500, Roy
wrote:



I have two sets of some tools. My tools and loaner tools. I will help people
by doing some operations that need my tools to do the work. If people want to
fix or build something themselves, they can borrow my loaner grade tools or buy
their own. The loaner tools are things I will never miss if they don't come
back, but I do keep track of who has what.

I came home a couple of months ago and my neighbor, who I'd met only a
handful of times, was walking out of my garage with one of my ladders.
My wife let him borrow it, so OK, I lost that one. I told her never
to do that again. Too much of a liability problem, particularly with
someone who I don't know. I ended up repairing his roof (didn't have
to get off the ladder) because he couldn't even use a hammer.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:26:08 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:51:50 -0500, Roy
wrote:



I have two sets of some tools. My tools and loaner tools. I will help people
by doing some operations that need my tools to do the work. If people want to
fix or build something themselves, they can borrow my loaner grade tools or buy
their own. The loaner tools are things I will never miss if they don't come
back, but I do keep track of who has what.




On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:31:34 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:


never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad


Take a "security deposit". You want my skil saw, bring me your lawn
mower. I get my saw, you get your mower.

Make sure it's something he will need in the next couple of weeks.

I first thought you were going to say "first born son" but then
figured it might end up a "Ransom for Red Chief" sort of deal.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:51:50 -0500
Roy wrote:



I have two sets of some tools. My tools and loaner tools. I will
help people by doing some operations that need my tools to do the
work. If people want to fix or build something themselves, they can
borrow my loaner grade tools or buy their own. The loaner tools are
things I will never miss if they don't come back, but I do keep track
of who has what.

clever idea

no hard feelings that way

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:51:50 -0500
Roy wrote:

things I will never miss if they don't come back, but I do keep track
of who has what.

how do you keep track

am curious because i can barely keep track of what i have

that is another downside to loaning

you forget you loaned it then spend time looking for it only to
remember you loaned it

Electric Comet wrote in news:nqaffl$cq6$3
@dont-email.me:

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:51:50 -0500
Roy wrote:

things I will never miss if they don't come back, but I do keep track
of who has what.

how do you keep track

am curious because i can barely keep track of what i have

that is another downside to loaning

you forget you loaned it then spend time looking for it only to
remember you loaned it


Some people have a pencil and paper they keep in a certain spot. You
could probably store it in your phone, even "feature phones" sometimes
have some kind of note app.

Puckdropper

On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-7, krw wrote:

I keep a bunch of sacrificial HF multimeters around so people don't
borrow my Flukes. The Flukes are kept out of sight.

I've also seen a "broken" sticker on the trusty VOM-of-choice

If you're sure the item will be returned, go ahead and loan out the Fluke;
that's the meter with a robust set of protective fuses.

On 8/31/2016 3:16 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 8/31/2016 1:31 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

never liked to borrow tools and i never liked to loan tools

have done it when someone was in a bind or just needed something
briefly and i could help


but i figure it is better to avoid either to keep things in good
standing


a lot like loaning money but maybe not as bad




I have loaned many a tool.
These days, I am a little more reluctant.
My best friend borrowed my Makita grinder, it was like new. It came back
with cracked casting, he broke the lock to get the wheels off, and it
has been run through the ringer, all this black sticky **** all over it.

He returned it, and told me he liked it so much he bought a new one for
himself. WTF?

I can only say that I am generally much more careful with other people's
tools, cars and houses than I am with my own.

And although I haven't done that much lending, I've had much better
luck. I recently loaned a sander, a biscuit joiner and two routers to a
friend of mine. The fact those tools are more for fine work than random
destruction probably helped. But the guy who borrowed the individual
tools has also "borrowed" my home shop a couple of times. Each time he
left it cleaner and neater than before he started. So the human factor
was in my favor as well.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 09:38:08 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-7, krw wrote:

I keep a bunch of sacrificial HF multimeters around so people don't
borrow my Flukes. The Flukes are kept out of sight.

I've also seen a "broken" sticker on the trusty VOM-of-choice

If you're sure the item will be returned, go ahead and loan out the Fluke;
that's the meter with a robust set of protective fuses.

But the Fluke costs 100x what the HF costs. Unless the features are
necessary, there's no reason to take the risk. I would but few would
be willing to buy me a new Fluke if the screwed it up. I don't care
about the HF. It's bait anyway.

krw wrote in
:


But the Fluke costs 100x what the HF costs. Unless the features are
necessary, there's no reason to take the risk. I would but few would
be willing to buy me a new Fluke if the screwed it up. I don't care
about the HF. It's bait anyway.


And available for free if you've got the latest coupon book.
And a pretty servicable meter. Maybe not as accurate as a Fluke, but you
generally don't need that much accuracy/precision anyway.
And reasonably tough, at least for the normal drops.

Puckdropper

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:00:02 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:51:50 -0500
Roy wrote:

things I will never miss if they don't come back, but I do keep track
of who has what.

how do you keep track

am curious because i can barely keep track of what i have

that is another downside to loaning

you forget you loaned it then spend time looking for it only to
remember you loaned it

I am an old fashioned guy. I keep 3x5 index cards in the shop to stick in my
shirt pocket to keep my notes on. I just jot down who borrows what and stick it
on a bright yellow clipboard hanging on a nail in plain sight. Name and date
prominently displayed. Most of the time I don't have anything loaned out.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 22:34:07 -0500
Roy wrote:

I am an old fashioned guy. I keep 3x5 index cards in the shop to
stick in my shirt pocket to keep my notes on. I just jot down who
borrows what and stick it on a bright yellow clipboard hanging on a
nail in plain sight. Name and date prominently displayed. Most of
the time I don't have anything loaned out.

that seems like the best solution
no batteries required