On one wall of my kitchen where the new stove sits I had only one
temporary base cabinet for some storage, and in the corner on the
other side of the stove there was an open area where the hidden space
was. So there was my first cabinet to be designed, it was a 4 foot
base cabinet, with sliding shelves for full access to the hidden end,
plus full extension slides for the drawers covered by the cabinet
door. For simplicities sake I followed Karl's advice and made a flat
panel door for it, at least to be used until I tried a cathedral door
with raised panel.

SOOOOOoooooo, I moved the dishwasher which covered up the "hidden
corner" cabinet, installed the cabinet into the corner with the stove
sitting beautiful right next to it. Then I slide the dishwasher back
into its space, then walked back to look at my first Kitchen Cabinet
installed and,.............

WHOOPSIE!!!, The door was covered up by two inches of the dishwasher,
rendering the door and any space in the cabinet entirely useless.

Well, harrumph! Bah.

So I then deleted the cabinet from the floorplan in Sketchup and went
back to the original cabinet drawing and corrected the situation.

Am I ever glad that Karl and Leon insisted that I used Sketchup and
stick with it and learn to use it. It took me the better part of a
week to maneuver around comfortably, learning tricks along the way,
found new and better ways to do old things, and WOW! is it ever slick.
Sketchup v16 has a free version with some reduced features, but the 3d
working platform is still in operation and I have only begun to learn
all its features.

They were absolutely correct, it is well worth it, and much less
expensive to see your mistakes on the drawing first.

On 2/11/2016 12:47 PM, OFWW wrote:
On one wall of my kitchen where the new stove sits I had only one
temporary base cabinet for some storage, and in the corner on the
other side of the stove there was an open area where the hidden space
was. So there was my first cabinet to be designed, it was a 4 foot
base cabinet, with sliding shelves for full access to the hidden end,
plus full extension slides for the drawers covered by the cabinet
door. For simplicities sake I followed Karl's advice and made a flat
panel door for it, at least to be used until I tried a cathedral door
with raised panel.

SOOOOOoooooo, I moved the dishwasher which covered up the "hidden
corner" cabinet, installed the cabinet into the corner with the stove
sitting beautiful right next to it. Then I slide the dishwasher back
into its space, then walked back to look at my first Kitchen Cabinet
installed and,.............

WHOOPSIE!!!, The door was covered up by two inches of the dishwasher,
rendering the door and any space in the cabinet entirely useless.

Well, harrumph! Bah.

So I then deleted the cabinet from the floorplan in Sketchup and went
back to the original cabinet drawing and corrected the situation.

Am I ever glad that Karl and Leon insisted that I used Sketchup and
stick with it and learn to use it. It took me the better part of a
week to maneuver around comfortably, learning tricks along the way,
found new and better ways to do old things, and WOW! is it ever slick.
Sketchup v16 has a free version with some reduced features, but the 3d
working platform is still in operation and I have only begun to learn
all its features.

They were absolutely correct, it is well worth it, and much less
expensive to see your mistakes on the drawing first.



LOL... Once you understand Sketchup it is hard to imagine not having it.

I have often considered upgraiding to the Pro version simply because it
is CHEAP, compared to upgrading AutoCAD LT. Not cheap but AutoCAD LT is
priced like a Festool tool and is like entry level compared to Sketchup.

AND yes, make your mistakes on the drawing not on the wood.

AND really better at changing things to "what if" instead of building
prototypes.

On 2/11/2016 12:47 PM, OFWW wrote:


Am I ever glad that Karl and Leon insisted that I used Sketchup and
stick with it and learn to use it. It took me the better part of a
week to maneuver around comfortably, learning tricks along the way,
found new and better ways to do old things, and WOW! is it ever slick.
Sketchup v16 has a free version with some reduced features, but the 3d
working platform is still in operation and I have only begun to learn
all its features.

They were absolutely correct, it is well worth it, and much less
expensive to see your mistakes on the drawing first.

Preach it, Brother ...

Leon will tell you the same thing ... it's rare that I ever walk out to
the shop to do anything without a SU drawing in hand.

Sketchup soothes the savage beast ...

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On 2/11/2016 12:56 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 2/11/2016 12:47 PM, OFWW wrote:


Am I ever glad that Karl and Leon insisted that I used Sketchup and
stick with it and learn to use it. It took me the better part of a
week to maneuver around comfortably, learning tricks along the way,
found new and better ways to do old things, and WOW! is it ever slick.
Sketchup v16 has a free version with some reduced features, but the 3d
working platform is still in operation and I have only begun to learn
all its features.

They were absolutely correct, it is well worth it, and much less
expensive to see your mistakes on the drawing first.

Preach it, Brother ...

Leon will tell you the same thing ... it's rare that I ever walk out to
the shop to do anything without a SU drawing in hand.

Sketchup soothes the savage beast ...




Hey! Did I send you that drawing of the, brilliantly engineered in
Sketchup, "stick"? The stick that propped up the end of our kitchen
sink? LOL

OFWW wrote in newsckpbb1ncutr696rssnejk9frirobt1jr2@
4ax.com:

So there was my first cabinet to be designed, it was a 4 foot
base cabinet, with sliding shelves for full access to the hidden end,
plus full extension slides for the drawers covered by the cabinet
door.

Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

John

On 2/12/2016 4:55 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

Elegant solutions for blind corner cabinets has always been a thorn in
the side of the kitchen designer.

I tried every thing from lazy susans to Korner King type solution, but
they all have drawbacks.

This one caught my eye. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I'm
definitely going to push the next kitchen client to take a look at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kRg9IT7Rps#t=14

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Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop
https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On 2/12/2016 5:35 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 2/12/2016 4:55 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

Elegant solutions for blind corner cabinets has always been a thorn in
the side of the kitchen designer.

I tried every thing from lazy susans to Korner King type solution, but
they all have drawbacks.

This one caught my eye. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I'm
definitely going to push the next kitchen client to take a look at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kRg9IT7Rps#t=14


That is pretty slick and seems to make use of most of the corner space,
assuming your cabinet door opening is wider than the section that tucks
into the corner.

I wonder how difficult it would be to build one...probably not worth the
time involved.

On 2/12/2016 5:55 PM, John McCoy wrote:


Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

John


Good point. We bought a new refrigerator 24 years ago. There is a
cabinet above the refrigerator. I opened it last December when we
bought a new refrigerator. What was in there was tossed and it now sits
empty. Would make a good safe to stash cash, burglar would not easily
get in there either.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 22:55:05 -0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

OFWW wrote in newsckpbb1ncutr696rssnejk9frirobt1jr2@
4ax.com:

So there was my first cabinet to be designed, it was a 4 foot
base cabinet, with sliding shelves for full access to the hidden end,
plus full extension slides for the drawers covered by the cabinet
door.

Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

John

We have some things that are either used infrequently, or seasonal, or
when we are in the mood. You know, like when you get on a Asian kick,
or Mexican, or Italian kick. That plus my wife prefers much lighter
pans and I use the good old cast iron stuff, that said,...

there are my cement mixer, the Kitchen Aid, with all the attachments,
the electrical stuff like waffle irons, sandwich pannini press, rice
cooker, popcorn maker, various blenders, fruit juicers, coffee makers,
Wok's and accessories, pressure cookers, pizza and bread stones.
Various thermos' and picnicking stuff then the normal pots n pans.

This way certain things get put in one cabinet, lower frequency stuff
put away in the back hidden sections.

Plus, closest to the stove are things we both use, and as my wife has
a habit of just finding a space, I sometimes find things in the back
of a shelf, and getting down on my hands and knees and pulling things
out just to get a particular pan is not my cup of tea. She is short
and to her it is no big deal, yet even she would like sliding drawers
so that all the stuff is easily accessible. We are both hitting the
age thing, but I like to think that because we are wiser, we should
just do the wiser things today, rather than put up with things as in
the yesteryears.

I am also tired of messing with carious spice racks, carousels, and
things so I'm building my one near the stove and work center, plus a
smaller overhead one at the stove with the most common used ones
there.

Needless to say, our next home will have a much larger kitchen and
pantry.

Oh, and under the corner wall cabinet I am making a swing down bracket
for my wife's small screen TV, (flat screen) and we will also be able
to put up recipes on there to use while doing what we do. Beats having
to keep a book open or spill something on a favorite old recipe.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:35:15 -0600, Swingman wrote:

On 2/12/2016 4:55 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

Elegant solutions for blind corner cabinets has always been a thorn in
the side of the kitchen designer.

I tried every thing from lazy susans to Korner King type solution, but
they all have drawbacks.

This one caught my eye. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I'm
definitely going to push the next kitchen client to take a look at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kRg9IT7Rps#t=14

They do have some for 48" cabinets now as well.

Swingman wrote in news:TqydnWz9heul8SPLnZ2dnUU7-
:

On 2/12/2016 4:55 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

Elegant solutions for blind corner cabinets has always been a thorn in
the side of the kitchen designer.

I tried every thing from lazy susans to Korner King type solution, but
they all have drawbacks.

This one caught my eye. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I'm
definitely going to push the next kitchen client to take a look at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kRg9IT7Rps#t=14


I'd like an elevator. Empty space at the top, push a button and the
entire shaft of cabinets raises up or down and gives you access to what's
hidden underneath. It would be cool enough to make it on to one of those
This Old House type programs. :-)

Puckdropper

Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
Swingman wrote in news:TqydnWz9heul8SPLnZ2dnUU7-
:

On 2/12/2016 4:55 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

Elegant solutions for blind corner cabinets has always been a thorn in
the side of the kitchen designer.

I tried every thing from lazy susans to Korner King type solution, but
they all have drawbacks.

This one caught my eye. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I'm
definitely going to push the next kitchen client to take a look at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kRg9IT7Rps#t=14


I'd like an elevator. Empty space at the top, push a button and the
entire shaft of cabinets raises up or down and gives you access to what's
hidden underneath. It would be cool enough to make it on to one of those
This Old House type programs. :-)

Puckdropper


A lift would be cool but almost always there are upper cabinets and
typically they are about 18 higher than the counter top. It would not be
able to raise very high out of the 36" tall bottom cabinet. :-(

On 13 Feb 2016 06:07:19 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Swingman wrote in news:TqydnWz9heul8SPLnZ2dnUU7-
:

On 2/12/2016 4:55 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

Elegant solutions for blind corner cabinets has always been a thorn in
the side of the kitchen designer.

I tried every thing from lazy susans to Korner King type solution, but
they all have drawbacks.

This one caught my eye. Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but I'm
definitely going to push the next kitchen client to take a look at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kRg9IT7Rps#t=14


I'd like an elevator. Empty space at the top, push a button and the
entire shaft of cabinets raises up or down and gives you access to what's
hidden underneath. It would be cool enough to make it on to one of those
This Old House type programs. :-)

Hate to rain on your parade but that sounds like one of those cool but
completely impractical ideas. The lift would mean breaking the
countertop which gives less counter space but just as important a
place that you don't want messes to go (with all that entails).

On 2/12/2016 9:38 PM, OFWW wrote:
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 22:55:05 -0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

OFWW wrote in newsckpbb1ncutr696rssnejk9frirobt1jr2@
4ax.com:

So there was my first cabinet to be designed, it was a 4 foot
base cabinet, with sliding shelves for full access to the hidden end,
plus full extension slides for the drawers covered by the cabinet
door.

Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

John

We have some things that are either used infrequently, or seasonal, or
when we are in the mood. You know, like when you get on a Asian kick,
or Mexican, or Italian kick. That plus my wife prefers much lighter
pans and I use the good old cast iron stuff, that said,...

there are my cement mixer, the Kitchen Aid, with all the attachments,
the electrical stuff like waffle irons, sandwich pannini press, rice
cooker, popcorn maker, various blenders, fruit juicers, coffee makers,
Wok's and accessories, pressure cookers, pizza and bread stones.
Various thermos' and picnicking stuff then the normal pots n pans.

This way certain things get put in one cabinet, lower frequency stuff
put away in the back hidden sections.

Plus, closest to the stove are things we both use, and as my wife has
a habit of just finding a space, I sometimes find things in the back
of a shelf, and getting down on my hands and knees and pulling things
out just to get a particular pan is not my cup of tea. She is short
and to her it is no big deal, yet even she would like sliding drawers
so that all the stuff is easily accessible. We are both hitting the
age thing, but I like to think that because we are wiser, we should
just do the wiser things today, rather than put up with things as in
the yesteryears.

I am also tired of messing with carious spice racks, carousels, and
things so I'm building my one near the stove and work center, plus a
smaller overhead one at the stove with the most common used ones
there.

Needless to say, our next home will have a much larger kitchen and
pantry.

Oh, and under the corner wall cabinet I am making a swing down bracket
for my wife's small screen TV, (flat screen) and we will also be able
to put up recipes on there to use while doing what we do. Beats having
to keep a book open or spill something on a favorite old recipe.



My parents used that area of the kitchen cabinets to hide their coin
collection. You guessed it, they called me to come over for supper when
they wanted to pull all of those boxes of coins out to look at. And of
course I was the one to put those heavy boxes back into that corner.

Leon wrote in
:

Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
Swingman wrote in news:TqydnWz9heul8SPLnZ2dnUU7-
:

I'd like an elevator. Empty space at the top, push a button and the
entire shaft of cabinets raises up or down and gives you access to
what's hidden underneath. It would be cool enough to make it on to
one of those This Old House type programs. :-)

Puckdropper


A lift would be cool but almost always there are upper cabinets and
typically they are about 18 higher than the counter top. It would not
be able to raise very high out of the 36" tall bottom cabinet. :-(


The solution is to lift the uppers too. Naturally it's not for every
home but if you've got an attic above, no problem. The whole column of
cabinet, counter top, uppers, etc just slides up into the void space.

I know it's not practical. Still doesn't make it any less fun to talk
about. :-)

Puckdropper

Ed Pawlowski wrote in news:PKGdnZ1QadXiCSPLnZ2dnUU7-
:

Good point. We bought a new refrigerator 24 years ago. There is a
cabinet above the refrigerator. I opened it last December when we
bought a new refrigerator. What was in there was tossed and it now sits
empty. Would make a good safe to stash cash, burglar would not easily
get in there either.

Yeah, I have a cabinet like that too. If and when I redo the
cabinets, that one is going to be replaced with an open shelf.
That way whatever gets put there at least won't be forgotten.

John

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:27:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/12/2016 5:55 PM, John McCoy wrote:


Going off on a tangent, but what do you anticipate storing
on the shelves in the hidden end? I've been considering
doing something similar (if and when I ever get around to
kitchen cabinets), but I keep thinking whatever gets put
back there will just be forgotten about (and in that case
it might as well go in the trash instead, and save me the
effort of making shelves).

John


Good point. We bought a new refrigerator 24 years ago. There is a
cabinet above the refrigerator. I opened it last December when we
bought a new refrigerator. What was in there was tossed and it now sits
empty. Would make a good safe to stash cash, burglar would not easily
get in there either.

That's where we put the booze. Have no idea what's up there now.