http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US
http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks each,
regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy some more
(even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of their
efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that they
temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the diode, giving
you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the shape
of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to be in the
shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department thinks
we're all too afraid of new things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in the
shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light out very
nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the light.
This means I can look directly at the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that reflects
accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts per fixture!
This is less than half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed,
and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000
watts of light for the cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or more
for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or
entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and are
rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and
use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US
http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks each,
regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy some more
(even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of their
efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that they
temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the diode, giving
you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the shape
of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to be in the
shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department thinks
we're all too afraid of new things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in the
shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light out very
nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the light.
This means I can look directly at the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that reflects
accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts per fixture!
This is less than half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed,
and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000
watts of light for the cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or more
for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or
entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and are
rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and
use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!


They should have given them to you for free.

--
 GW Ross 

 An eye for an eye will make the whole 
 world go blind. - Mahatma Gandhi 

I bought a similar unit at Sam's last week for $35. Had the same pleasant results you did and will replace the fluorescent units as they fail with these LED devices. I never could understand why a ballast cost more than a whole new shop light but hopefully no more of those or the tubes. LED lighting also helped me with a reading light problem I've had for a while. The 60 watt bulb would heat the rotary switch and the plastic knob would not turn the threaded metal shaft that serves as the off on switch. Cooling the light by unplugging would solve the problem but that was not much of a fix. Tried a $5 LED light and the no heat factor made the soft plastic switch problem disappear. Now if I could only figure out how to keep my well tank/pump safe at sub 32 temperatures without using an incandescent reflector light.

On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US

http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks each,
regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy some more
(even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of their
efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that they
temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the diode, giving
you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the shape
of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to be in the
shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department thinks
we're all too afraid of new things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in the
shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light out very
nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the light.
This means I can look directly at the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that reflects
accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts per fixture!
This is less than half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed,
and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000
watts of light for the cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or more
for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or
entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and are
rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and
use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!


They should have given them to you for free.


Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US

http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks each,
regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy some more
(even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of their
efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that they
temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the diode, giving
you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the shape
of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to be in the
shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department thinks
we're all too afraid of new things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in the
shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light out very
nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the light.
This means I can look directly at the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that reflects
accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts per fixture!
This is less than half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed,
and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000
watts of light for the cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or more
for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or
entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and are
rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and
use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!


They should have given them to you for free.


Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?


For all that great review you made.

--
 GW Ross 

 

On 3/10/15 12:17 PM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US



http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
$10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
super bright!


They should have given them to you for free.


Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?


For all that great review you made.


I know what it's like blowing money on crappy stuff over and over again,
trying to find that which actually works well. So this was a public
service announcement. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/10/2015 12:28 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 12:17 PM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US




http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
$10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
super bright!


They should have given them to you for free.


Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?


For all that great review you made.


I know what it's like blowing money on crappy stuff over and over again,
trying to find that which actually works well. So this was a public
service announcement. :-)


Your review showed up two times.

On 3/10/15 2:37 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/10/2015 12:28 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 12:17 PM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US





http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
$10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
super bright!


They should have given them to you for free.


Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?


For all that great review you made.


I know what it's like blowing money on crappy stuff over and over again,
trying to find that which actually works well. So this was a public
service announcement. :-)


Your review showed up two times.

Yeah! So good, I did it twice!! :-D
I was having trouble with the news server and thought it didn't post the
first time.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/10/2015 3:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 2:37 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/10/2015 12:28 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 12:17 PM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US






http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
$10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
super bright!


They should have given them to you for free.


Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?


For all that great review you made.


I know what it's like blowing money on crappy stuff over and over again,
trying to find that which actually works well. So this was a public
service announcement. :-)


Your review showed up two times.

Yeah! So good, I did it twice!! :-D
I was having trouble with the news server and thought it didn't post the
first time.



It was good! Two times!

-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US






http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
$10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
super bright!

I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright white)
What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the color temp (if
it's available)?

Thanks
Max

On 3/10/15 9:51 PM, Max wrote:

-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US








http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32
bucks each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be
going back to buy some more (even at $40) as soon as
their replacement shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights
because of their efficiency and brightness, however, I
hate the fact that they temporarily blind you if you
happen to glance right at the diode, giving you that
blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED
lights in the shape of older light technologies. Do I
really need my LED light to be in the shape of an
incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department
thinks we're all too afraid of new things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED
shop lights in the shape of florescent shop light,
because they spread the light out very nicely AND they
put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the
light. This means I can look directly at the light
without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral
tone that reflects accurate colors for wood finishing.
They are only 38watts per fixture! This is less than
half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed, and
they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm
getting 1000 watts of light for the cost of 152 with
absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus
the $10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in
them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or entire fixture)
every couple years as well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up
instantly, and are rated to last 30 years in I use them
6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and use half the energy
as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely
bright, and completely silent. With the white ceiling,
the shop is super bright!

I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
color temp (if it's available)?

Thanks Max


3,700 lumens.
4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally prefer something
more like an overcast sky, but these are very neutral and I can see true
colors in this temp.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/10/2015 11:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:


I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
color temp (if it's available)?

Thanks Max


3,700 lumens.
4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally prefer something
more like an overcast sky, but these are very neutral and I can see true
colors in this temp.



Might be good for my garage bench, since my florescent bulbs are slow to
brighten in cold temps. But the common old school F40 is rated at 3000
lumens per tube (6000 per fixture), so its sounds like the the LED
fixture might be a bit dimmer. Though the LED light may be more
concentrated and brighter on the bench top.

Hmmm, might have to try one.

-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US
http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks each,
regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy some more
(even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of their
efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that they
temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the diode, giving
you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the shape
of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to be in the
shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department thinks
we're all too afraid of new things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in the
shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light out very
nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the light.
This means I can look directly at the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that reflects
accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts per fixture!
This is less than half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed,
and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000
watts of light for the cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or more
for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or
entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and are
rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and
use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!


Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this
type of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the
house with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes
the greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor.
CONs--They cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only
slightly longer than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they
emit fades pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I
doubt I save enough electricity to make up for the cost difference.
The LEDs are a relatively new technology, but I have some
decorative ones in the kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling).
They DO eventually fail.

--
 GW Ross 

 An eye for an eye will make the whole 
 world go blind. - Mahatma Gandhi 

On 3/10/2015 9:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 9:51 PM, Max wrote:



I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
color temp (if it's available)?

Thanks Max


3,700 lumens.
4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally prefer something
more like an overcast sky, but these are very neutral and I can see true
colors in this temp.


Thanks.
So happens that we'll be going to Costco today...

On 3/11/15 8:06 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
On 3/10/2015 11:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:


I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
color temp (if it's available)?

Thanks Max


3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally
prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these are very
neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.



Might be good for my garage bench, since my florescent bulbs are slow
to brighten in cold temps. But the common old school F40 is rated at
3000 lumens per tube (6000 per fixture), so its sounds like the the
LED fixture might be a bit dimmer. Though the LED light may be more
concentrated and brighter on the bench top.

Hmmm, might have to try one.

These seem super bright to me. I do have a flat, white ceiling in the
new garage instead of the open joist one in the old place, so I'm sure
the reflection is helping.

If you get them at Costco, their return policy is second to none, so you
have nothing to lose by trying a couple.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US


http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy
some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes
in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the
shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to
be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing
department thinks we're all too afraid of new things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in
the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light
out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to
diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at the light
without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts
per fixture! This is less than half what my previous florescent
fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt
bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the cost of 152 with
absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or
more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing
ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and
are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a
year, and use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super
bright!


Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this type
of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the house
with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes the
greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor. CONs--They
cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only slightly longer
than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they emit fades
pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I doubt I save
enough electricity to make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are
a relatively new technology, but I have some decorative ones in the
kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually
fail.


I don't know about their real-life failure rate because it's probably
too early to tell on such a newer technology. In my experience LEDs are
already proving to have many, many times the life of incandescent bulbs
and so much longer than CFLs that it's worth the extra cost even if all
others things were equal.... which they aren't.

Setting aside all the political reasons I have for disliking CFLs,
almost everything else about them is terrible. Terrible light temps,
slow start-ups, they seem to brighten and dim themselves, and much
shorter life than rated for.

Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive with
CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade away like the
light they produce.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/11/15 10:17 AM, Max wrote:
On 3/10/2015 9:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 9:51 PM, Max wrote:



I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
color temp (if it's available)?

Thanks Max


3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally
prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these are very
neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.


Thanks. So happens that we'll be going to Costco today...



I'm curious to know if they have them in stock and their price, if you
wouldn't mind reporting back.
It's funny to see how different Costcos carry different products and can
have vastly different prices. When I was researching these I saw that
another store in another state had a regular price that was the same as
the special sale price at my local store.
What city are you in?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/11/2015 9:49 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/11/15 10:17 AM, Max wrote:
On 3/10/2015 9:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/10/15 9:51 PM, Max wrote:



I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
color temp (if it's available)?

Thanks Max


3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally
prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these are very
neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.


Thanks. So happens that we'll be going to Costco today...



I'm curious to know if they have them in stock and their price, if you
wouldn't mind reporting back.
It's funny to see how different Costcos carry different products and can
have vastly different prices. When I was researching these I saw that
another store in another state had a regular price that was the same as
the special sale price at my local store.
What city are you in?


El Paso, TX. Will report back later today. ;-)

-MIKE- writes:
On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US


Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this type
of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the house
with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes the
greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor. CONs--They
cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only slightly longer
than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they emit fades
pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I doubt I save
enough electricity to make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are
a relatively new technology, but I have some decorative ones in the
kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually
fail.



Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive with
CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade away like the
light they produce.

I've replaced all my incandescents and all CFLs with LED
bulbs from costco. Indoor BR-30s for all the cans, globes in the bath, and
a few A19's for tabletop fixtures. I also picked up
one of the utility lights that you referred to above to
use for task-lighting at the workbench (the shop itself
is illuminated by 4 fixtures, each with 2x F96T12C50s
and electronic ballasts). The F96T12s are power-hungry, so
as 8' LED bulbs become available and _cost effective_,
the fluorescents will be replaced. Probably with
pendant mount LS series, similar to these (color temp 5k):

http://www.earthled.com/products/cre...8w-8000-lumens

We have some similar to these at work; quite nice; but not cheap.

I'm very happy with the LED bulbs.

-MIKE- writes:
On 3/11/15 8:06 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
On 3/10/2015 11:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:


I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
color temp (if it's available)?

Thanks Max


3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally
prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these are very
neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.



Might be good for my garage bench, since my florescent bulbs are slow
to brighten in cold temps. But the common old school F40 is rated at
3000 lumens per tube (6000 per fixture), so its sounds like the the
LED fixture might be a bit dimmer. Though the LED light may be more
concentrated and brighter on the bench top.

Hmmm, might have to try one.

These seem super bright to me. I do have a flat, white ceiling in the
new garage instead of the open joist one in the old place, so I'm sure
the reflection is helping.

The LEDs in the costco fixture are pointing straight down; unlike
a fluorescent bulb, which radiates light all the way around, the
LED version radiates light downward (diffused somewhat by the
enclosing tube). That's why these fixtures don't have reflectors.

On 3/11/15 12:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
-MIKE- writes:
On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US




Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this
type of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in
the house with screw-in fluorescents several years ago.
PROs--It makes the greenies happy even though they all contain
mercury vapor. CONs--They cost more, at least they did then. The
MTBF is only slightly longer than with regular bulbs in my
experience. The UV they emit fades pictures and fabrics much
faster than incandescents. I doubt I save enough electricity to
make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are a relatively new
technology, but I have some decorative ones in the kitchen (on a
high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually fail.



Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive
with CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade
away like the light they produce.

I've replaced all my incandescents and all CFLs with LED bulbs from
costco. Indoor BR-30s for all the cans, globes in the bath, and a
few A19's for tabletop fixtures. I also picked up one of the
utility lights that you referred to above to use for task-lighting
at the workbench (the shop itself is illuminated by 4 fixtures, each
with 2x F96T12C50s and electronic ballasts). The F96T12s are
power-hungry, so as 8' LED bulbs become available and _cost
effective_, the fluorescents will be replaced. Probably with
pendant mount LS series, similar to these (color temp 5k):

http://www.earthled.com/products/cre...8w-8000-lumens



We have some similar to these at work; quite nice; but not cheap.

I'm very happy with the LED bulbs.


Several months ago I got a bunch of retrofit LED fixtures for all the
can lights in out new place from Costco.
Not only are they much lower wattage for brighter light, they are
dimmable. They also installed in about 5 minutes each.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/11/15 12:21 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
-MIKE- writes:
On 3/11/15 8:06 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
On 3/10/2015 11:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:


I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color
(bright white) What are the lumens with the lights you
describe? And the color temp (if it's available)?

Thanks Max


3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I
generally prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these
are very neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.



Might be good for my garage bench, since my florescent bulbs are
slow to brighten in cold temps. But the common old school F40 is
rated at 3000 lumens per tube (6000 per fixture), so its sounds
like the the LED fixture might be a bit dimmer. Though the LED
light may be more concentrated and brighter on the bench top.

Hmmm, might have to try one.

These seem super bright to me. I do have a flat, white ceiling in
the new garage instead of the open joist one in the old place, so
I'm sure the reflection is helping.

The LEDs in the costco fixture are pointing straight down; unlike a
fluorescent bulb, which radiates light all the way around, the LED
version radiates light downward (diffused somewhat by the enclosing
tube). That's why these fixtures don't have reflectors.


You are correct about the coating on the upper half.
But oddly enough, these actually do have reflectors above the tubes,
which are extremely easy to remove... and I did remove them. I noticed
a shadow above the lights and wondered if I'd get some reflection if I
removed the reflector... and I did. Nothing earth shattering, but
enough that I can tell it puts out a more even dispersion without the
reflector. Seems counter-intuitive, but it works. It also make the
fixtures much lighter.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 10:44:33 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US


http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy
some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes
in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the
shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to
be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing
department thinks we're all too afraid of new things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in
the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light
out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to
diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at the light
without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts
per fixture! This is less than half what my previous florescent
fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt
bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the cost of 152 with
absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or
more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing
ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and
are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a
year, and use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super
bright!


Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this type
of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the house
with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes the
greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor. CONs--They
cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only slightly longer
than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they emit fades
pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I doubt I save
enough electricity to make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are
a relatively new technology, but I have some decorative ones in the
kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually
fail.


I don't know about their real-life failure rate because it's probably
too early to tell on such a newer technology. In my experience LEDs are
already proving to have many, many times the life of incandescent bulbs
and so much longer than CFLs that it's worth the extra cost even if all
others things were equal.... which they aren't.

Setting aside all the political reasons I have for disliking CFLs,
almost everything else about them is terrible. Terrible light temps,
slow start-ups, they seem to brighten and dim themselves, and much
shorter life than rated for.

Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive with
CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade away like the
light they produce.

The main problem I have found with led lights is the waste heat can be
excessive, thought about that perhaps lighting needs a 12 volt ac
system. As most leds drop only 1.2v to 1.5v depending upon color.

But what do I know.

Mark

On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 10:14:54 -0400, "G. Ross" wrote:

Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this
type of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the
house with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes
the greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor.
CONs--They cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only
slightly longer than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they
emit fades pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I
doubt I save enough electricity to make up for the cost difference.
The LEDs are a relatively new technology, but I have some
decorative ones in the kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling).
They DO eventually fail.

I'm glad you asked about the MTBF! I unplugged a LED nite lite in the
hall to get the make & model number for this post. It's been in
continuous use since Oct 2009, I wrote the date on back w/sharpie so I
could see how long it lasted. I say continuous use because after a
couple of weeks of fast flickering during daylight, I painted over the
tiny photocell with a dab of whiteout.

It's China made, 2 led (dim) 'Amertac 71190A'. Googling reveled
it was recalled back in 2012 "Due to Fire and Burn Hazards"!

http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2012/...-Burn-Hazards/

So THANK you! I'll be replacing it ASAP. But I must say, I've been
pleased with it and impressed with its longevity, about 38K hours.

Well, dayum! No such lights at local Costco. I looked all over the
store and finally asked someone.
"Sometimes they have items online that we don't carry"

BAH!
I did find an LED sentry light That I'll use to replace one on the shop
that's disfunctional. ;-)
Maybe I should re-word that. The shop is functional. The sentry light on
it isn't.

On 3/11/15 5:26 PM, Max wrote:

Well, dayum! No such lights at local Costco. I looked all over the
store and finally asked someone.
"Sometimes they have items online that we don't carry"

BAH!
I did find an LED sentry light That I'll use to replace one on the shop
that's disfunctional. ;-)
Maybe I should re-word that. The shop is functional. The sentry light on
it isn't.



Ahh, bummer.
My local store ran out but they're getting a new shipment.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 20:51:24 -0600, Max wrote:


-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US






http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
shipment comes in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
the light without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
$10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
super bright!

I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright white)
What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the color temp (if
it's available)?

Yep. I use 6500K tubes (both in my shop and the stupid kitchen
fixture) because they put out so much more light.

One more hit on the cfl's is the bug light is just yellow.
It doesn't repel bugs like the old bug lights and when the
porch lights are turned on - no light to save a life.

I like the cfl flood light I put into the pantry. Always cool.
Very bright. And the floods seem to light faster than other cfl.

I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.
There is ample light. Runs cool.

Martin

On 3/11/2015 10:44 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC &cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US



http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights

I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy
some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes
in.

These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.

I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the
shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to
be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing
department thinks we're all too afraid of new things.

In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in
the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light
out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to
diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at the light
without being blinded.

These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts
per fixture! This is less than half what my previous florescent
fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt
bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the cost of 152 with
absolutely no heat.

My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or
more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing
ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.

These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and
are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a
year, and use half the energy as florescents.

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super
bright!


Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this type
of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the house
with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes the
greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor. CONs--They
cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only slightly longer
than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they emit fades
pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I doubt I save
enough electricity to make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are
a relatively new technology, but I have some decorative ones in the
kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually
fail.


I don't know about their real-life failure rate because it's probably
too early to tell on such a newer technology. In my experience LEDs are
already proving to have many, many times the life of incandescent bulbs
and so much longer than CFLs that it's worth the extra cost even if all
others things were equal.... which they aren't.

Setting aside all the political reasons I have for disliking CFLs,
almost everything else about them is terrible. Terrible light temps,
slow start-ups, they seem to brighten and dim themselves, and much
shorter life than rated for.

Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive with
CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade away like the
light they produce.

Martin Eastburn wrote in
:

One more hit on the cfl's is the bug light is just yellow.
It doesn't repel bugs like the old bug lights and when the
porch lights are turned on - no light to save a life.

I like the cfl flood light I put into the pantry. Always cool.
Very bright. And the floods seem to light faster than other cfl.

I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.
There is ample light. Runs cool.

Martin



Speaking of bugs, we replaced incandescant bulbs with LEDs in one outdoor
fixture. The second fixture (identical, about 20' away) had LEDs. The
fixture with LEDs attract fewer bugs. I didn't count or anything, but
the difference was plain to see.

LED lights aren't supposed to attract mosquitos, either, but I heard that
on TV and you know you can't be wrong on TV...

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On 3/12/2015 1:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
LED lights aren't supposed to attract mosquitos, either, but I heard that
on TV and you know you can't be wrong on TV...

But wait! Act now, and you'll get twice as many...

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On 3/9/2015 10:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!

Going to search these out. Even though I've had to stand too close to
drummers for too many years, I've got some the 4' BORG fixtures that are
humming B flat loud enough for me to hear them.

Thanks for the heads-up.

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Swingman wrote:
On 3/12/2015 1:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
LED lights aren't supposed to attract mosquitos, either, but I heard
that on TV and you know you can't be wrong on TV...

But wait! Act now, and you'll get twice as many...

....Just pay shipping and handling...

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On 3/11/2015 11:05 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:


I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.

How did you cut them into thirds?

On 3/12/2015 1:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
Martin Eastburn wrote in
:

One more hit on the cfl's is the bug light is just yellow.
It doesn't repel bugs like the old bug lights and when the
porch lights are turned on - no light to save a life.

I like the cfl flood light I put into the pantry. Always cool.
Very bright. And the floods seem to light faster than other cfl.

I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.
There is ample light. Runs cool.

Martin



Speaking of bugs, we replaced incandescant bulbs with LEDs in one outdoor
fixture. The second fixture (identical, about 20' away) had LEDs. The
fixture with LEDs attract fewer bugs. I didn't count or anything, but
the difference was plain to see.

Now that you mention that.....I have noticed that there are little to no
bugs that collect around our coach lights at our driveway. About a year
ago I put in LED bulbs. I wonder too if it is not only the light but
also the warmth that incandescent lights put out that may attract the
critters.




LED lights aren't supposed to attract mosquitos, either, but I heard that
on TV and you know you can't be wrong on TV...

Puckdropper

On 3/12/15 7:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 3/9/2015 10:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!

Going to search these out. Even though I've had to stand too close to
drummers for too many years, I've got some the 4' BORG fixtures that are
humming B flat loud enough for me to hear them.

Thanks for the heads-up.


And hear I thought they sounded like A sharp. :-p


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On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:19:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/11/2015 11:05 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:


I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.

How did you cut them into thirds?

No need to make an cuts. You just multiplex them. When you walk down
the hall, you bring a bulb with you. With two bulbs and three
fixtures you don't have any darkness when moving the lights. ;-)

Just because one forgot to put 'each' -

2 bulbs each in three holders. 2 x 3 = 6.

One can cut them into 1/3 power easily :-)

Martin

On 3/12/2015 9:19 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/11/2015 11:05 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:


I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.

How did you cut them into thirds?

We move in and changed the stupid lights into something one can read
and see on the walls. First we had normal bulbs of 40 watts, then 60
watts then 40 watt and an LED and now modern LED and modern LED in each
with an effective 60 watt light with nominal wattage used.

Slowly going through the house. The library will be last as we have
replacement bulbs already and will run through them first unless I need
to make a heater box :-)

Martin

On 3/12/2015 6:51 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:19:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/11/2015 11:05 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:


I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.

How did you cut them into thirds?

No need to make an cuts. You just multiplex them. When you walk down
the hall, you bring a bulb with you. With two bulbs and three
fixtures you don't have any darkness when moving the lights. ;-)

Martin Eastburn wrote in news:WEtMw.12880
:

Just because one forgot to put 'each' -

2 bulbs each in three holders. 2 x 3 = 6.

One can cut them into 1/3 power easily :-)

Martin


Yes, but who would take the cubed root of a light bulb?

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On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:21:03 PM UTC-4, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/12/15 7:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 3/9/2015 10:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!

Going to search these out. Even though I've had to stand too close to
drummers for too many years, I've got some the 4' BORG fixtures that are
humming B flat loud enough for me to hear them.

Thanks for the heads-up.


And hear I thought they sounded like A sharp. :-p



And always remember when crossing the street: C sharp or B flat.