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The week between Christmas and New Years marks the time I moved from
Ohio to Los Angeles at the end of 1989. A lot has changed. I left Ohio 12/26/89 and started driving South/West along I-71 and I-70 never getting out of 4th gear since the roads were so slick as attested to by the collection of cars and busses that had spun out and into the median from the storm the day before. It wasn't until Indianapolis that I felt comfortable in 5th gear. After that, the roads were clear and the weather began to warm. I walked out into the court yard of my complex today to see a sign posted that this was a NO SMOKING facility. Imagine that, a common outdoor area denoted as a NO SMOKING area. I remember trying to get a table in a NO SMOKING area of a restaurant on a Saturday night and being told they didn't have one. My how times have changed. It was a long and tough war that was fought against big tobacco, led by a Los Angeles city councilman whose name I don't remember but to whom I will forever be indebted. As an ex nicotine addict, I am convinced that nicotine is the most addictive drug on the planet. Other than alcohol, I've never used addictive drugs BUT I'm convinced nicotine is the most addictive. Monday starts a new business year, the weather is slated to return to more typical SoCal temps, just like it was when I arrived. Time marches on. Lew |
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On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:30:07 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: The week between Christmas and New Years marks the time I moved from Ohio to Los Angeles at the end of 1989. A lot has changed. I left Ohio 12/26/89 and started driving South/West along I-71 and I-70 never getting out of 4th gear since the roads were so slick as attested to by the collection of cars and busses that had spun out and into the median from the storm the day before. It wasn't until Indianapolis that I felt comfortable in 5th gear. After that, the roads were clear and the weather began to warm. I walked out into the court yard of my complex today to see a sign posted that this was a NO SMOKING facility. Imagine that, a common outdoor area denoted as a NO SMOKING area. I remember trying to get a table in a NO SMOKING area of a restaurant on a Saturday night and being told they didn't have one. My how times have changed. It was a long and tough war that was fought against big tobacco, led by a Los Angeles city councilman whose name I don't remember but to whom I will forever be indebted. As an ex nicotine addict, I am convinced that nicotine is the most addictive drug on the planet. Other than alcohol, I've never used addictive drugs BUT I'm convinced nicotine is the most addictive. Monday starts a new business year, the weather is slated to return to more typical SoCal temps, just like it was when I arrived. Time marches on. So, you didn't say what you paid for gas on your emigration from sanity. |
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What I forgot to mention was the absolute explosion of the cell phone, which now has become a hand held computer/camera, the introduction of the internet and GPS. Lew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Lew Hodgett" wrote: The week between Christmas and New Years marks the time I moved from Ohio to Los Angeles at the end of 1989. A lot has changed. I left Ohio 12/26/89 and started driving South/West along I-71 and I-70 never getting out of 4th gear since the roads were so slick as attested to by the collection of cars and busses that had spun out and into the median from the storm the day before. It wasn't until Indianapolis that I felt comfortable in 5th gear. After that, the roads were clear and the weather began to warm. I walked out into the court yard of my complex today to see a sign posted that this was a NO SMOKING facility. Imagine that, a common outdoor area denoted as a NO SMOKING area. I remember trying to get a table in a NO SMOKING area of a restaurant on a Saturday night and being told they didn't have one. My how times have changed. It was a long and tough war that was fought against big tobacco, led by a Los Angeles city councilman whose name I don't remember but to whom I will forever be indebted. As an ex nicotine addict, I am convinced that nicotine is the most addictive drug on the planet. Other than alcohol, I've never used addictive drugs BUT I'm convinced nicotine is the most addictive. Monday starts a new business year, the weather is slated to return to more typical SoCal temps, just like it was when I arrived. Time marches on. Lew |
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"Bill" wrote: So, you didn't say what you paid for gas on your emigration from sanity. Gosh it was 1989. Could it have been $1.65 (I'm just making a guess for fun)? -------------------------------------------------- Back then gas was not an issue, I was driving a 4 cyl VW Diesel Rabbit; however, do remember gas being less than $0.90/gal in the early 90's. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Bill" wrote: So, you didn't say what you paid for gas on your emigration from sanity. Gosh it was 1989. Could it have been $1.65 (I'm just making a guess for fun)? -------------------------------------------------- Back then gas was not an issue, I was driving a 4 cyl VW Diesel Rabbit; however, do remember gas being less than $0.90/gal in the early 90's. Lew Here are some answers: http://www.inthe80s.com/prices.shtml |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:54a8bae9$0$42942
: Back then gas was not an issue, I was driving a 4 cyl VW Diesel Rabbit; however, do remember gas being less than $0.90/gal in the early 90's. According to this site: http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline..._adjusted.html your memory is off just a tad. It says gas in CA was les than 0.90 in 86-88. I was surprised, between the taxes and the special low-smog blends required there, I would have thought gas prices were always well over a dollar. John |
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On 01/04/2015 10:01 AM, John McCoy wrote:
.... your memory is off just a tad. It says gas in CA was les than 0.90 in 86-88. I was surprised, between the taxes and the special low-smog blends required there, I would have thought gas prices were always well over a dollar. .... Check when the reg's went into effect and at what levels of severity... -- |
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:30:07 -0800, Lew Hodgett wrote:
The week between Christmas and New Years marks the time I moved from Ohio to Los Angeles at the end of 1989. A lot has changed. I left Ohio 12/26/89 and started driving South/West along I-71 and I-70 never getting out of 4th gear since the roads were so slick as attested to by the collection of cars and busses that had spun out and into the median from the storm the day before. I did the same from Kentucky to LA in Jan of 1965. My worst weather was coming down the mountain out of Flagstaff. You brought back a lot of memories. |
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote: I did the same from Kentucky to LA in Jan of 1965. My worst weather was coming down the mountain out of Flagstaff. You brought back a lot of memories. ---------------------------------------------------- Spent the night in Flagstaff where it snowed overnight. Made for an interesting trip down the mountain the next day. Yes the memories. Lew |
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On 1/4/2015 10:01 AM, John McCoy wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:54a8bae9$0$42942 : Back then gas was not an issue, I was driving a 4 cyl VW Diesel Rabbit; however, do remember gas being less than $0.90/gal in the early 90's. According to this site: http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline..._adjusted.html your memory is off just a tad. It says gas in CA was les than 0.90 in 86-88. I was surprised, between the taxes and the special low-smog blends required there, I would have thought gas prices were always well over a dollar. John Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. Martin |
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On 01/04/2015 09:27 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 1/4/2015 10:01 AM, John McCoy wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:54a8bae9$0$42942 : Back then gas was not an issue, I was driving a 4 cyl VW Diesel Rabbit; however, do remember gas being less than $0.90/gal in the early 90's. According to this site: http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline..._adjusted.html your memory is off just a tad. It says gas in CA was les than 0.90 in 86-88. I was surprised, between the taxes and the special low-smog blends required there, I would have thought gas prices were always well over a dollar. John Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. Martin Sorry, but federal and state taxes are a flat amount per gallon, not a percentage of dollar amount per gallon. On gasoline, the average of state and federal tax is $0.42 per gallon. http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=10&t=10 -- "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" -Winston Churchill |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Martin Eastburn" wrote: Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry but gas taxes are still so many cents per gallon at all levels of gov't. The tax man has two reasons to cry. Car efficiencies are up, thus fewer gallons are burned. Overall demand is down. It will probably hurt your "river is ris'n" thread too! Lew |
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"Martin Eastburn" wrote: Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry but gas taxes are still so many cents per gallon at all levels of gov't. The tax man has two reasons to cry. Car efficiencies are up, thus fewer gallons are burned. Overall demand is down. Lew |
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Bill wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: "Martin Eastburn" wrote: Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry but gas taxes are still so many cents per gallon at all levels of gov't. The tax man has two reasons to cry. Car efficiencies are up, thus fewer gallons are burned. Overall demand is down. It will probably hurt your "river is ris'n" thread too! I guess what I mean is, it probably won't survive the hit. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Back then gas was not an issue, I was driving a 4 cyl VW Diesel Rabbit; however, do remember gas being less than $0.90/gal in the early 90's. ---------------------------------------------------------------- John McCoy wrote: According to this site: http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline..._adjusted.html your memory is off just a tad. It says gas in CA was les than 0.90 in 86-88. I was surprised, between the taxes and the special low-smog blends required there, I would have thought gas prices were always well over a dollar. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) I didn't arrive in CA until 1990. Might want to verify your source. 2) It's not that expensive to clean up after yourself. CA been doing it for years. Lew |
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Bill wrote:
Bill wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: "Martin Eastburn" wrote: Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry but gas taxes are still so many cents per gallon at all levels of gov't. The tax man has two reasons to cry. Car efficiencies are up, thus fewer gallons are burned. Overall demand is down. It will probably hurt your "river is ris'n" thread too! I guess what I mean is, it probably won't survive the hit. That was just a joke, you know! Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:54aa27a4$0$19622
: John McCoy wrote: According to this site: http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline..._adjusted.html your memory is off just a tad. It says gas in CA was les than 0.90 in 86-88. I was surprised, between the taxes and the special low-smog blends required there, I would have thought gas prices were always well over a dollar. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) I didn't arrive in CA until 1990. Might want to verify your source. The source is .ca.gov, which is a California state government website. It would be hard to find a more authoritative source. 2) It's not that expensive to clean up after yourself. CA been doing it for years. That was my point - Cal has had higher taxes and special pollution regulations for years (heck, there was a time when automakers had to make special California models). So, when prices elsewhere in the US were just under a dollar, I'd have expected Cal to be more different than they were. John |
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On 01/04/2015 10:27 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
.... Gas is Gas, ... .... But the _additives_ required aren't and CA requires blends used nowhere else in the country... -- |
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On 01/05/2015 10:11 AM, John McCoy wrote:
"Lew wrote in news:54aa27a4$0$19622 .... 2) It's not that expensive to clean up after yourself. CA been doing it for years. That was my point - Cal has had higher taxes and special pollution regulations for years (heck, there was a time when automakers had to make special California models). So, when prices elsewhere in the US were just under a dollar, I'd have expected Cal to be more different than they were. I'd suspect if you go look as suggested that they really were if account for which level of controls were in place at the time in comparison to the rest of the US. And, much of what CA brags about isn't them "cleaning up after themselves" as much as it is pushing it out of state and then importing the product...power being one prime example. -- |
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dpb writes:
On 01/05/2015 10:11 AM, John McCoy wrote: "Lew wrote in news:54aa27a4$0$19622 ... 2) It's not that expensive to clean up after yourself. CA been doing it for years. That was my point - Cal has had higher taxes and special pollution regulations for years (heck, there was a time when automakers had to make special California models). So, when prices elsewhere in the US were just under a dollar, I'd have expected Cal to be more different than they were. I'd suspect if you go look as suggested that they really were if account for which level of controls were in place at the time in comparison to the rest of the US. And, much of what CA brags about isn't them "cleaning up after themselves" as much as it is pushing it out of state and then importing the product...power being one prime example. This requires a cite. California imports 10% from the northwest (the bulk of that is hydro), and 20% from the southwest (of which 30% comes from coal). The remaining 70% is generated in-state. Note that the drought has increased the draw from out-of-state due to a 36% drop in in-state hydro in 2012 and a further 10% drop in 2013. The shutdown of San Onofre has also increased imports. http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/electric...tem_power.html |
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dpb writes:
On 01/04/2015 10:27 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: ... Gas is Gas, ... ... But the _additives_ required aren't and CA requires blends used nowhere else in the country... For which 100% of californians are _GRATEFUL_. Anyone who experienced a second or third-stage smog alert in the LA basin in the 50's, 60's, 70's or early 80's knows exactly how beneficial those blends have been. There hasn't been a first stage alert since 1990, entirely due to the clean-air regulations. They're a _good thing_. |
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On 01/05/2015 11:50 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes: On 01/04/2015 10:27 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: ... Gas is Gas, ... ... But the _additives_ required aren't and CA requires blends used nowhere else in the country... For which 100% of californians are _GRATEFUL_. Anyone who experienced a second or third-stage smog alert in the LA basin in the 50's, 60's, 70's or early 80's knows exactly how beneficial those blends have been. There hasn't been a first stage alert since 1990, entirely due to the clean-air regulations. They're a _good thing_. Didn't say that the weren't, necessarily, only that there's something other than "gas is gas"...and I doubt it'd be possible to find _anything_ 100% of a population as large and diverse as CA's would be for... -- |
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Somebody wrote:
Gas is Gas, ... ... But the _additives_ required aren't and CA requires blends used nowhere else in the country... -------------------------------------------------------------- Not sure how many blends are made today, but there was a time when more than 30 blends were offered across the country. CA has some unique blends that meet air quality standards. Lew |
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On 01/05/2015 3:49 PM, John McCoy wrote:
.... Yeah, I recall being out in San Berdoo in the early 90's (working on the restoration of steam engine 3751), and every morning we had a great view of the mountains, and by 3 every afternoon they'd disappeared in the haze. But the locals all said it was much better than it used to be. Spent a lot of time with Garrett-AirResearch s primary consulting client in Torrance in early '80s...was often pretty bad then but again that was nothing to what had been earlier. Denver in the 60s owing to the elevation was no picnic, either... -- |
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On 01/05/2015 3:53 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Somebody wrote: Gas is Gas, ... ... But the _additives_ required aren't and CA requires blends used nowhere else in the country... -------------------------------------------------------------- Not sure how many blends are made today, but there was a time when more than 30 blends were offered across the country. CA has some unique blends that meet air quality standards. Well, that's not _exactly_ how the blends are set but the CARB does mandate what can be sold in CA, yes. -- |
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On 1/4/2015 10:47 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 01/04/2015 09:27 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 1/4/2015 10:01 AM, John McCoy wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:54a8bae9$0$42942 : Back then gas was not an issue, I was driving a 4 cyl VW Diesel Rabbit; however, do remember gas being less than $0.90/gal in the early 90's. According to this site: http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline..._adjusted.html your memory is off just a tad. It says gas in CA was les than 0.90 in 86-88. I was surprised, between the taxes and the special low-smog blends required there, I would have thought gas prices were always well over a dollar. John Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. Martin Sorry, but federal and state taxes are a flat amount per gallon, not a percentage of dollar amount per gallon. On gasoline, the average of state and federal tax is $0.42 per gallon. http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=10&t=10 There is sales tax on gasoline as well. Martin |
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On 1/5/2015 11:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
dpb writes: On 01/05/2015 10:11 AM, John McCoy wrote: "Lew wrote in news:54aa27a4$0$19622 ... 2) It's not that expensive to clean up after yourself. CA been doing it for years. That was my point - Cal has had higher taxes and special pollution regulations for years (heck, there was a time when automakers had to make special California models). So, when prices elsewhere in the US were just under a dollar, I'd have expected Cal to be more different than they were. I'd suspect if you go look as suggested that they really were if account for which level of controls were in place at the time in comparison to the rest of the US. And, much of what CA brags about isn't them "cleaning up after themselves" as much as it is pushing it out of state and then importing the product...power being one prime example. This requires a cite. California imports 10% from the northwest (the bulk of that is hydro), and 20% from the southwest (of which 30% comes from coal). The remaining 70% is generated in-state. Note that the drought has increased the draw from out-of-state due to a 36% drop in in-state hydro in 2012 and a further 10% drop in 2013. The shutdown of San Onofre has also increased imports. http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/electric...tem_power.html And I remember when a certain northern city who had a nuke power plant built, energized and signed off ready to dump power on the grid and the local city voted to shut the power plant down. I don't know how they can do that after several dozens of years of planning and spending billions on a massive plant and only when they spend more money on fuel and certification does some of the city complain. Likely the college students all moved out and don't care. But want the power just the same. About that time (shutdown) there was a power crisis and the state went to taxes and shutdown themselves. Martin |
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On 01/05/2015 08:59 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
On 1/4/2015 10:47 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote: On 01/04/2015 09:27 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 1/4/2015 10:01 AM, John McCoy wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:54a8bae9$0$42942 : Back then gas was not an issue, I was driving a 4 cyl VW Diesel Rabbit; however, do remember gas being less than $0.90/gal in the early 90's. According to this site: http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline..._adjusted.html your memory is off just a tad. It says gas in CA was les than 0.90 in 86-88. I was surprised, between the taxes and the special low-smog blends required there, I would have thought gas prices were always well over a dollar. John Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. Martin Sorry, but federal and state taxes are a flat amount per gallon, not a percentage of dollar amount per gallon. On gasoline, the average of state and federal tax is $0.42 per gallon. http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=10&t=10 There is sales tax on gasoline as well. Martin California (to be expected) on top of flat $0.53/gal. Indiana just did a sales tax. What other states? -- "Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" -Winston Churchill |
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On 1/5/2015 12:49 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Martin Eastburn" wrote: Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry but gas taxes are still so many cents per gallon at all levels of gov't. The tax man has two reasons to cry. Car efficiencies are up, thus fewer gallons are burned. Overall demand is down. Lew Here in NJ they talked about taxing electric vehichles during registration because they use the road but don't pay as much in taxes due to the better gas mileage. It's all about the money here. -- Jeff |
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Scott Lurndal wrote:
This requires a cite. California imports 10% from the northwest (the bulk of that is hydro), and 20% from the southwest (of which 30% comes from coal). The remaining 70% is generated in-state. Note that the drought has increased the draw from out-of-state due to a 36% drop in in-state hydro in 2012 and a further 10% drop in 2013. The shutdown of San Onofre has also increased imports. http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/electric...tem_power.html Geezus - do we really need a thread of californianians defending california in a woodworking group? Let california do what it wants to do and let its people be happy with anything the state decides to do. Let the stupid californians stop preaching to the rest of the country about their brain dead decisions of how to deal with their brain dead self-inflicted problems, and everyone else can just move on. -- -Mike- |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote: Geezus - do we really need a thread of californianians defending california in a woodworking group? Let california do what it wants to do and let its people be happy with anything the state decides to do. Let the stupid californians stop preaching to the rest of the country about their brain dead decisions of how to deal with their brain dead self-inflicted problems, and everyone else can just move on. ---------------------------------------- Poor baby. Lew |
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On 1/5/2015 10:53 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 1/5/2015 12:49 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote: "Martin Eastburn" wrote: Gas is Gas, Taxes are added to the Gas. Isn't that the point ? Tax was once so many cents per gallon. Now it is a percentage of the Dollar amount. SO the tax man is crying - less money with lower gas prices. His/her only hope is volume is up high enough to compensate. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry but gas taxes are still so many cents per gallon at all levels of gov't. The tax man has two reasons to cry. Car efficiencies are up, thus fewer gallons are burned. Overall demand is down. Lew Here in NJ they talked about taxing electric vehichles during registration because they use the road but don't pay as much in taxes due to the better gas mileage. It's all about the money here. Exactly. Choose an alternative fuel and the government is going to tax it too. |
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On 1/4/2015 11:57 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: Back then gas was not an issue, I was driving a 4 cyl VW Diesel Rabbit; however, do remember gas being less than $0.90/gal in the early 90's. ---------------------------------------------------------------- John McCoy wrote: According to this site: http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline..._adjusted.html your memory is off just a tad. It says gas in CA was les than 0.90 in 86-88. I was surprised, between the taxes and the special low-smog blends required there, I would have thought gas prices were always well over a dollar. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) I didn't arrive in CA until 1990. Might want to verify your source. 2) It's not that expensive to clean up after yourself. Really, IIRC California is one of the most expensive places to do anything. What do you suppose makes California a more expensive place to live. |
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"Mike Marlow" writes:
Scott Lurndal wrote: This requires a cite. California imports 10% from the northwest (the bulk of that is hydro), and 20% from the southwest (of which 30% comes from coal). The remaining 70% is generated in-state. Note that the drought has increased the draw from out-of-state due to a 36% drop in in-state hydro in 2012 and a further 10% drop in 2013. The shutdown of San Onofre has also increased imports. http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/electric...tem_power.html Geezus - do we really need a thread of californianians defending california in a woodworking group? Let california do what it wants to do and let its people be happy with anything the state decides to do. Let the stupid californians stop preaching to the rest of the country about their brain dead decisions of how to deal with their brain dead self-inflicted problems, and everyone else can just move on. Typical ad hominem attack. You can't attack the message, you must attack the messenger. Poor debating technique, and poor manners. Name calling is for grade school. |
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dpb wrote in :
Denver in the 60s owing to the elevation was no picnic, either... Denver can still be pretty bad...it's because it sits down in a bit of a hole, and the bad air can get trapped, the flow coming off the mountains just sort of goes right over it. John |
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On 1/6/2015 10:46 AM, John McCoy wrote:
woodchucker wrote in news:3dGdnatmucSm9zbJnZ2dnUU7- : Here in NJ they talked about taxing electric vehichles during registration because they use the road but don't pay as much in taxes due to the better gas mileage. It's all about the money here. Well, in fairness, someone has to pay for the roads. I don't see that electric vehicles should get a free ride. The trick, of course, is to proportion the burden fairly (*), and to make sure the politicos actually spend the tax money for the purpose it was intended (i.e. roads). In CT we have the highest gas tax and worst roads. ""T"hey raised the tax so much, many of us don't pay it. I work in MA and cross the border 4 days a week and save 30¢ a gallon while I'm there. Now they are talking about putting tolls back. They want to put them on the roads as you exit the state only. That means the politicians going to the Capitol won't pay any tolls, but tourist, passing truckers, and those of us working out of state will. I imagine the back roads will be very congested as I'm not going to pay a toll on my way to buy the out of state gas and booze. |
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