On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:32:31 -0400, Dave wrote:




What people you want to include in a particular race is open to
discussion. For me, blacks, whites, low wage earners, the indigent,
plumbers, garbage collectors, whatever group you want to categorize,
all of them under certain conditions can fit into the definition of a
"Race".


Not in my opinion.


If there's enough of a certain group and if they live in a certain
way, then in very short order, they're going to be called a race. Tell
that's wrong Ed and please explain why.

You honestly can think of an occupation as a race? Low income as a
race?

Races have some sort of DNA connection. Plumbers can be black, white,
Jewish, rich, poor but they are plumbers, not a race. Just because
you consider it something does not mean that it is. Sorry, but you
can't convince me of it.

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:41:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Just for discussion sake, here's my thoughts.

You honestly can think of an occupation as a race? Low income as a
race?

Not initially, certainly not, they wouldn't be a race. But I was
theorizing that over time and under certain conditions, they could be
come one.

Image a whole group of a particular occupation went off on their own
and created their own country. They formed their own religion,
procreated just within their own socio economic status and became
unique among themselves. How long would it take before they were
considered a race? A couple of hundred years?

What drew them together (occupation, physical characteristics,
specific values) doesn't matter. It's what they became after they
formed their own unique group. How else were current races created?

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 00:45:37 -0400, Dave wrote:




What drew them together (occupation, physical characteristics,
specific values) doesn't matter. It's what they became after they
formed their own unique group. How else were current races created?


Plumber's Union? AFL-CIO?

On 9/11/2012 8:41 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:32:31 -0400, Dave wrote:



What people you want to include in a particular race is open to
discussion. For me, blacks, whites, low wage earners, the indigent,
plumbers, garbage collectors, whatever group you want to categorize,
all of them under certain conditions can fit into the definition of a
"Race".

Not in my opinion.


If there's enough of a certain group and if they live in a certain
way, then in very short order, they're going to be called a race. Tell
that's wrong Ed and please explain why.
You honestly can think of an occupation as a race? Low income as a
race?

Races have some sort of DNA connection. Plumbers can be black, white,
Jewish, rich, poor but they are plumbers, not a race. Just because
you consider it something does not mean that it is. Sorry, but you
can't convince me of it.

Society calls the group of people who are convicted for committing
crimes convicts. According to Dave's definition, if you put those
convicts in prison but don't imprison the innocent, you have committed a
racist act.